Moving Minutes - The Weathermen

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I remember them. I've always wondered how they got away with the things they did. The idea that three of these crazies ended up college professors, to me is insanity.
 
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They were slightly ahead of the times. Ideas don't go very far away do they? Forty years isn't a long incubation for some things.
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DB grow up. Even the communists now know that communism doesn't work.
 
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anarchists and communists are rife amongst academia. it's because every other workplace has more self-respect than to employ people who refuse to work for a living.

I was at a university last week trying to mark my papers as part of a marking committee. By the day before my flight home all my papers had been marked except one question. I tracked down the guy who was supposed to be marking that question and he proceeded to tell me how terribly terribly busy he was. then he realised i was british and proceeded to show me half an hour or youtube videos of punk bands he liked, all the while telling me how cool it was that i was british, and phoning his mates leaving prank messages on their voicemail.
 
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another place i worked at had a professor who smelt like a week's worth of boiled cabbages was in his pants. He never worked, his lectures consisted of pages from the textbook being photocopied to .pdf files and projected onto the board, and his research students basically had no supervision at all. He once forgot to show up to invigilate an exam of his. The university couldnt fire him because he had tenure.
 
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There never has been a communist country. Those that say they are are totalitarian dictatorships, the international banking community saw to that. The Russian revolution was fought and won by anarchists and than the Bolsheviks were sent in to wipe them out and take over. Chairman Mao was a dictator. They all were, except maybe the Sandinista.

So saying communism doesn't work is silly. Nobody has successfully established a communist regime (or an Anarchist one either). But, Oh! capitalism, democracy, now there is a success story! Not! What we have is corporate imperialism on a grand scale that brainwashes everybody into thinking they live in a democracy where we actually have relevance. Pretty sad, actually. The only thing the weathermen are guilty of is failure. And they failed because they chose violence over a more peaceful John Lennon type of revolution.
 
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Cliffy said:
There never has been a communist country. Those that say they are are totalitarian dictatorships, the international banking community saw to that. The Russian revolution was fought and won by anarchists and than the Bolsheviks were sent in to wipe them out and take over. Chairman Mao was a dictator. They all were, except maybe the Sandinista.
The Union of Soviet socialist Republics, The People's Democratic Republic of China, The democratic Republic of East Germany. These are a few examples of what we called communist countries. I'm sorry if they didn't measure up to what some would want to call an ideal communist country........None of them did. The bosses wanted to stay being the bosses and they imprisoned or shot anyone who disagreed. They were all like that. Virtually all those stalwart communist countries are changing to a market oriented system because communism wouldn't work, didn't work, and won't ever work because like all perfect systems, it needs perfect people.

So saying communism doesn't work is silly. Nobody has successfully established a communist regime.
Even the communists couldn't get one to work.
But, Oh! capitalism, democracy, now there is a success story! Not! What we have is corporate imperialism on a grand scale that brainwashes everybody into thinking they live in a democracy where we actually have relevance. Pretty sad, actually. The only thing the weathermen are guilty of is failure. And they failed because they chose violence over a more peaceful John Lennon type of revolution.
Now that is silly. I was born into a working family. I went to school, high school, and then to University where I received a degree in engineering. I had a reasonably successful working life. I married, and we had two great children who are successflu in their own right and you know, we did it all without brain washing. Maybe the brain washing comes during retirement.....I'll watch for it.
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And how would someone who is brainwashed know that they are? What is success? Why is that there is mostly mindless drivel on TV filling the space between the advertising? What is the purpose of slanted journalism? What is the purpose of advertising? What is the purpose of education? What is religion all about?

Its all about the consensual Matrix. It is about programming reality where your opinions are fed to you every day on TV, in Newspapers and magazines.
We take a small impressionable child and force it to sit still for 12 years and cram its head full of opinions about what our world is all about. Then if their lucky, they get to go a bunch more in a more sophisticated system of opinion forming in college or university.

Do we ever get taught critical thinking? Do we learn how to be in relationships, to communicate with respect (as opposed to just talk at each other)? Do we learn to actually listen to what others have to say or are we preparing our response to the first sentence and miss the rest of their delivery?

The potential of the human mind and heart are stifled by indoctrination and conformity. Only those who have broken free, through will or circumstance, have contributed to the betterment of the species. Most others are programmed to be worker drones and go about their lives oblivious to the fact that their thoughts are programmed and controlled.

As a civilization we have been entertained into complacency. We've become comfortably numb!
 
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Paranoid nonsense Clify

Engineering is critical thinking. Your thinking is stifled by your paranoid dilutions that "big brother" is watching, and controlling your life. It must be awfully tiring.
 
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On brainwashing: I was raised catholic
I was definitely brainwashed.

missile,

I was too, but we didn't know that until we broke free, started to question the status quo. One must step outside the box in order to see the box for what it is.
 
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Engineering is critical thinking. Your thinking is stifled by your paranoid dilutions that "big brother" is watching, and controlling your life. It must be awfully tiring.

#juan,

I'm not paranoid but that is the usual response of someone who does not want the comfort zone of his box disturbed by opposing views. Becoming a professional anything requires specialization, a narrow focus on a single topic. Sure there is a smattering of other stuff added in to try and round out the equation, but basically, engineering for example, requires very linear thinking. Any critical thinking is focused on a narrow perspective.

I am a draughtsman and graphic artist by trade. Very specialized in their own way. But at one point in my life, I walked away from it all and went to live in the forest of northern BC. There I spent ten years questioning everything I was taught, reading on a wide variety of subjects and talking to hundreds of people about their beliefs about just about everything the ever thought about.

At one point (1975) I was working in a print shop puting together a TV guide. We decided to use a bunch of old B&W photoes from the silent erra of film. The object was to put a caption to the photo and the best one got $25. We did this for about 6 months until we could bare it no longer. Every week I got a hundred or more responses. Of that 90%, no matter what the photo, was "Ring around the collar".

I ended up quiting in disgust and went to hide out in the forest for a few months before I could face humans again. That is when I realized just how brainwashed people are by their TVs. I had no electricity and no TV for those ten years. That is what I mean by getting outside the box, not just thinking outside the box.
 
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Cliffy said:
Engineering is critical thinking. Your thinking is stifled by your paranoid dilutions that "big brother" is watching, and controlling your life. It must be awfully tiring.

#juan,

I ended up quiting in disgust and went to hide out in the forest for a few months before I could face humans again. That is when I realized just how brainwashed people are by their TVs. I had no electricity and no TV for those ten years. That is what I mean by getting outside the box, not just thinking outside the box.
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You went and hid out in the forest for ten years......Sounds perfectly reasonable to me......:roll:
 
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