More Flatulance tax cuts...for the poor of course

Francis2004

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:angry3:.........read it and weep.

Flaherty hints at tax cuts in upcoming budget

Gosh them poor is gettin a lot of good stuff, eh. And Joe Lunchbox too, eh.

Yay Harpo. Yay Flatulance.

This has been on the news for a DAY or two and not one goddam post in here about it.

Honest to God, why do us socialists bother with ya at all.!!!

;-)

Well Nugg's I think part of the issue is that most of us realize that those who pay Zero Income tax will get Zero reduction.. So in reality giving the least of those who can use it seems pointless. They will also be the one who can least afford to spend anything on the economy, so buying anything will be a loss as well..

As for Joe Lunchbox I think he will as usual get the shaft more then the break..
 

Francis2004

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:Yup, someone else gets the goldmine.

:lol: Ah , ya gotta laff, er yooooooood go nuts eh!!

Here's another that was not missed just not posted..

TORONTO -- As many Canadians nurse their post-New Year's Eve hangovers and ponder what further economic storms await, Canada's top corporate executives can take some comfort in knowing they have already earned as much as the average worker will earn in all of 2009.

A new analysis by the left-leaning Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives concludes the country's richest corporate executives will have pocketed an average of $40,237 by 9:04 a.m. Friday morning.


"By the time your computer has finished booting up on your first day back after the New Year's holiday, the average CEO would have already banked what took the average Canadian worker an entire year's worth of work to earn," the report states.


"Many of the top 100 include Canada's big bank CEOs, who recently received billions in federal government bailout money to purchase mortgage loans."

CTV.ca | Top CEOs earn average yearly salary in just 12 hours

There's your goldmine...
 

Machjo

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If I get a tax cut, I'll probaly just up my contributions to UNESCO a little. Better than arts funding, don't you think:smile:

Now this is where we can end up with the ironic situation of a socialist supporting tax cuts (I'm not saying I'm socialist necessarily, but I can still agree with some of its fundamental principles). The general idea behind socialism is to help the poor, but if tax money just goes to arts funding, then it's actually more in line with socialist principles to just cut taxes and let us give our money to a charity of our choice.

Now as for the New-democrats out there, be honest. Which is more in line with the principles of socialism: that I pay taxes towards art exhibits to be visited by the middle class who can afford tickets to the shows, or cut my taxes and let me give more to UNESCO who'll give a kid a basic education?

No wonder we sometimes end up with socialists debating whether to vote Conservative or NDP. If and when the NDP focusses on the fundamental objective of socialism (to help the poor), then maybe the NDP will get a more serious consideration on my part.
 

Machjo

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Now when the NDP starts to focus on helping the poorest of the poor in the world's poorest countries, then It might get my attention.
 

Machjo

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Machjo, wouldn't you rather have your tax dollars support poor Canadians?

I believe that we are all created of the same dust by the same creator. Why should I discriminate based on the peace of dirt a person's mother was lying on when she gave birth to him?

I'll help the poorest of the poor, thank you very much. Besides, this could also create jobs for Canadians indirectly anyway.

Blind nationalism is an outdated kneejerk reaction from the bygone era of the dark ages.

Do you honestly believe that a person deserves some kind of special consideration in this world because he's a Canadian?

That's the problem with the NDP. It might be a socialist party, but more specifically a national socialist party (no reference to the NSDAP intendes; I'm using the terms here at face value), but still quite capitalist on the world stage along with all the double standards. I believe in all or nothing. If the NDP is going to be playing these kinds of games, then might as well just go with a party that will cut my taxes and let me give to the poor myself if it's just going to waste my money anyway.
 

Machjo

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I'm to think better of a thief because he leaves a little in my wallet?

I'm not saying I'll necessarily be voting Conservative next election; they're big wasters on the military too.

I've generally played with the Greens or Libertarian Party. But the Greens are also in favour of spending on the arts while kids starve to death in far away lands. So heck, maybe the Libertarian Party is the one to go for. Cut taxes on all fronts and just leave us all alone to give our money to the charity fo our choice, to those who really need it.
 

Machjo

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Machjo, wouldn't you rather have your tax dollars support poor Canadians?

Now of course we need to help poor Canadians too, all I'm saying is why discriminate on the basis of nationality. Help ought to go to those who need it most desperately without naitonal, racial, religious or other prejudices.
 

Machjo

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Actually, this has been my dilema for years. At heart, I'm an international socialist. But in reality, the NDP is national socialist. In many ways, the NDP's policies benefit poor Canadians at the expense of other countries. For example, if the government should provide social assistance to Canadians, then it must also limit immigration to avoid putting an excessive burden on the system. Yes, the NDP is more in favour of immigration than any other party, but even it wants restrictions. And I agree that the more generous our social services are, the more restrictions we need, and that limits the opportunities of people from poorer nations.

Also, mosre social services means more taxes. The NDP then has to be stricter on trade relations with other countries to protect Canadian jobs at the expense of jobs abroad. Sure the NDP supports giving poorer countries more money, but that also promotes a cycle of dependence by not allowing them to trade and develop industry.

With this in mind, I believe the best strategy to help poorer nations is to reform the global capitalist markets so as to put everyone on a more equal footing. Ironically enough, though, this then pushes me towards freer markets, not more government regulation as we'd normally expect with a socialist government.

For instance, according to Francois Grin, a specialist in language economics from the university of Geneva, Switzerland, the EU subsidizes the UK economy by from 17 to 18 thouasand million euros annually on second-language education alone, even though the UK is the wealthiest member. He goes on to say that an easier language like Esperanto, a logical language that is 100% phonetic, logical, and free of exceptions, could save the EU (including the UK and Ireland) 25 thousand million euros annually on second-language instruction alone, not including savings in interpretation and other costs.

I'm sure Canada is benefitting from the worldwide spread of English too. What's the point of giving some money to third world countries if the very economic system we're functioning in favours us so much anyway. For every dollar we give them, 2 dollars comes back to us. Would it not make more sence to restructure the international system of communication so that through the free markets themselves the money doesn't come back to us. Then even if we stopped giving them money, they'd still be better off because they wouldn't be subsidizing our own economy anymore. What's the point of just giving them a dollar back for every 2 dollars we make form them. Pure hypocricy.

If we look at it that way, then it would make more sense for socialists to achieve their fundamental goals through the free market economy.

Other areas to consider that could help the poor by saving money and making the world system more efficient would be:

a common world currency. This would no longer allow more powerful nations to try to manipulate the world currency markets to their advantage.

a common second language that is easy to learn by design, such as Esperanto (the UN general assembly alone spends about 1/4 of its budget on translation and interpretation services alone, not cheap and this money could help the starving).

A common world military comprising a maximum of 100,000 well trained and equipped men. This would allow countries to discard their own national military forces and rely on the international force if they wish. This again would save poorer countries some money. Heck, it would save wealthier countries money too, and we'd need it if we should suddenly accept working with the rest of the world on an equal footing with no more unfair advantage to us thanks only to our mother tongue.

Living on an equal footing. Imagine that. Scary, isn't it. Even the NDP fears it.