Mom can't leave Canada with children — or stay either

[Machjo]

Mom can't leave Canada with children ? or stay either - British Columbia - CBC News

One would think that unless a person is (and not was) in prison and there is no security concern for the population and the children, that it ought to be in the bloody constitution that a child has a constitutional right to his parents, meaning that the parents can apply for citizenship the moment they set foot on Canadian soil.

Also tht, except for some court order, that a parent has a right to his child under the same circumstances (short of current imprisonment).

Let's see those conservative family values in action now, eh. I can't wait to see how the conservatives play this one: family values apply to citizens only?

Or maybe they'll say taht illegals should be deported right away. I mean, she's showing so little respect for Canadian law here. Abandon your kids already eh?

Or i guess if we go by monetary value, conrad Black brings in money: all she has is kids. Never mind she's not allowed to work! A basic human right there. Hmmm... I wonder why she's so dependent?

 

[gerryh]

Didn't read the article. Did ya.

 

[Machjo]

Yes I did. Sure there's compassionate grounds and the minister is looking into it. I was responsding more to the election rhetoric of the tories of cracking down on immigration. I bet they never foresaw this type of situation till it came to their attention here, but yes it's good they're now responding to it.

But even during the election they were playing with fire with regards to family status in immigration, which of course flies in the face of the basic christian principle of keeping the family together.

I'm also pretty sensitive to this because though I'm born canadian my ex wasn't, and we'd gone through hell with the immigration system and then when we moved to Montreal because one of her brotehrs didn't know French we had to move to Ontario and on and on. So much bloody bureaucracy standing between families based on nationality. I guess some families are more equal than others.

 

[captain morgan]

Mom can't leave Canada with children ? or stay either - British Columbia - CBC News

One would think that unless a person is (and not was) in prison and there is no security concern for the population and the children, that it ought to be in the bloody constitution that a child has a constitutional right to his parents, meaning that the parents can apply for citizenship the moment they set foot on Canadian soil.

What kind of logic is that? The child has some mythical right to be with the parents, therefore everyone is granted citizenship?

I can see it now, parents from around the globe come to Canada for whatever reason and all of their children petition the SCOC for their 'right' to be with their parents?

Also tht, except for some court order, that a parent has a right to his child under the same circumstances (short of current imprisonment).

They already have that ability (although how you'd express it as a 'right' is utterly absurd)

Let's see those conservative family values in action now, eh. I can't wait to see how the conservatives play this one: family values apply to citizens only?

In this case, the 'conservative family values' in question are those of the mother that is in this position.... The CPC didn't force her into it now, did they?

Seems like you're stretching as far as you can to absolve this woman (and partner) and blame gvt... Grow up already

Or maybe they'll say taht illegals should be deported right away. I mean, she's showing so little respect for Canadian law here. Abandon your kids already eh?

Kids are dual citizens. There's nothing stopping her from applying to the court to have sole custody based on the notion that her ex isn't living up to his obligations to support them.

Or i guess if we go by monetary value, conrad Black brings in money: all she has is kids. Never mind she's not allowed to work! A basic human right there. Hmmm... I wonder why she's so dependent?

There's nothing stopping you from sending her cash Machjo... Put your money where your mouth is if you are that upset with this lady's situation.

 

[taxslave]

Machjo: Tough case. Problem is if you let her stay what is to stop women coming to Canada having a kid or two and then demand to stay because her kids are Canadian citizens?

 

[Machjo]

Maybe. But then at least have some free labour movement laws allowing Canadians to work abroad and foreigners to work in Canada. If we had such an accord with the US, it wouldn't solve all of this woman's problems, but at least she'd be allowed to work to then ahve the money.

To not be allowed to work and then being blamed for being poor is just sick IMO.

 

[karrie]

Thank god she left! What I just said in the other thread about domestic abuse, this man is a posterboy for isolating and keeping your wife reliant. I'm glad the YWCA is looking into issues like these, and attempting some advocacy, because the notion that men can bring women here and then keep them as second class citizens, dependent on them to feed their children, is deplorable.

 

[EagleSmack]

With 5 kids she can't get any assistance from the government?

 

[L Gilbert]

The biggest problem I see here is the CIC. It allows criminals from all over the globe to stay here pretty much indefinitely while they fight extradition and in the meantime they prey upon pretty much any relatively harmless people who want to stay, work here, and raise a family simply because they are easy to eject.
The entire CIC needs to be chucked out for a new one or else completely redesigned.

 

[B00Mer]

The Government is so fukking backwards at times.. she needs to support her "Canadian" children.. give her special status to work..

But I must be missing something.. why has the deadbeat ex-husband not been arrested for non-payment or his property seized and given to her??.

...and if he doesn't pay up.. get out the nut cracker.

 

[karrie]

Another part of the problem is that once people feel that they are perhaps skirting the law, they fear accessing the CIC, because they are scared of being thrown out of the country. Their only alternative seems to be immigration lawyers (who it seems are expensive and sometimes less than on the up and up), and volunteer immigration services (who once had an acquaintance essentially deport himself after giving him bad advice). The options are pretty grim when faced with the potential of being separated from your family. With no access to anonymous advice directly from the CIC, situations will remain a problem.

 

[L Gilbert]

The Government is so fukking backwards at times.. she needs to support her "Canadian" children.. give her special status to work..

The gov't says it is working on it.

But I must be missing something.. why has the deadbeat ex-husband not been arrested for non-payment

The gov't has garnished his wages already. Arresting him would lead to prison which would result in an immense drop in his ability to supply ANY money to her.

or his property seized and given to her??.

Property seizure is the next step, I believe.

...and if he doesn't pay up.. get out the nut cracker.

This isn't the Middle Ages.

 

[B00Mer]

This isn't the Middle Ages.

yeah, but it's send a strong message to other deadbeat dads, quit making kids you can't afford.. ;-)

unless it was entrapment.. "she took for serious what was pointed out in front of her for fun." :lol:

God I'm glad I'm sterile. Just shooting potato water. No worries.

 

[The Old Medic]

Until she APPLIES to be legalized, the government will not be able top do anything for her.

She has to apply for a hardship/compassionate status, which SHE REFUSES TO DO.

What she REALLY wants is to be able to remove the kids from Canada, and not let her ex ever see them again.

 

[Machjo]

The biggest problem I see here is the CIC. It allows criminals from all over the globe to stay here pretty much indefinitely while they fight extradition and in the meantime they prey upon pretty much any relatively harmless people who want to stay, work here, and raise a family simply because they are easy to eject.
The entire CIC needs to be chucked out for a new one or else completely redesigned.

Who cares about kids. We want to play in the big leagues and catch terrorists, etc. play cops and robbers, etc. Much more fun.

And besides, that mother might take a job away from someone. Besides, who says working is a basic right, or that earning a living feeding yourself and so on is a basic right. Gimme a break. Priorities I say.

The Government is so fukking backwards at times.. she needs to support her "Canadian" children.. give her special status to work..

But I must be missing something.. why has the deadbeat ex-husband not been arrested for non-payment or his property seized and given to her??.

...and if he doesn't pay up.. get out the nut cracker.

Be careful with that.

I remember reading of one case where the father had to pay so much he was at risk of ending up on the streets. Even the mother was warning the government of this danger (better some money than none at all). The government did not heed their warnings until he was in fact on the streets and finally had to quit his job or something like that. In the end the government had to support her and the hubby!

Of course they were both citizens (i.e. human beings), but still.