'Medicinal' grass

[Locutus]

Does your job in "the industry" leave you feeling stressed and panicky? Are prescription meds not doing the trick? Why not try the remedy sweeping the ranks in Hollywood? Medical marijuana! And, uh, pass the chips, bro.

An ad in this week's Hollywood Reporter boasts that "marijuana works" for a talent agent enduring the high-pressure world of Tinseltown, saying that medical marijuana "helps with panic attacks, anxiety, heart palpitations and stress."

That's like, so, like, wow ... man.

from TMZ> http://www.tmz.com/2007/06/28/want-to-make-it-in-hollywood-puff-puff-pass/#comments


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[karrie]

That's crazy when you consider that my major side effect from the stuff was such incredibly high anxiety, that it made th pain relief not worth it. And the painrelief was phenomenal! The paranoia was so intense though, I thought for sure I was going to die of a heart attack.

 

[triedit]

I know folks who get panic attacks when they run out of weed;-)

 

[Unforgiven]

That's crazy when you consider that my major side effect from the stuff was such incredibly high anxiety, that it made th pain relief not worth it. And the painrelief was phenomenal! The paranoia was so intense though, I thought for sure I was going to die of a heart attack.

Interesting, what were you taking and how much of it did you take? When where and who were you with and what were you doing when you took this "heart attack" weed?

 

[triedit]

*sits back with a grin and watches Unf have a go*

 

[karrie]

Interesting, what were you taking and how much of it did you take? When where and who were you with and what were you doing when you took this "heart attack" weed?

It spanned a couple different kinds (one of which a friend did say when I gave it away was ridiculously strong), a few different situations (from out drinking with friends, to home relaxing), and a few different dosages.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

That's crazy when you consider that my major side effect from the stuff was such incredibly high anxiety, that it made th pain relief not worth it. And the painrelief was phenomenal! The paranoia was so intense though, I thought for sure I was going to die of a heart attack.

Yeah i don't know anyone who doesn't get that buzzed out feeling..when we were kids it was fun to be all blitzed and paranoid....
I hear that new studies show it really effects the growth in young people's frontal lobe....eeeek....
They are finding out this stuff is really really bad for you after all.

i think the damage out way the benefits. You can eliminate the effects of Chemo with "t h c" pills and you don't need to get high from smoking it.
People that go on about that their "medicinal" weed from the govt. isn't strong enough is another issue with me. It will do the job and take away the nausea but these people want to be high.


People that use it though tend to really defend it ...lol...it's like supposed to be actually good for you...NOT!!!!!

 

[Vereya]

That's crazy when you consider that my major side effect from the stuff was such incredibly high anxiety, that it made th pain relief not worth it. And the painrelief was phenomenal! The paranoia was so intense though, I thought for sure I was going to die of a heart attack.

This could probably mean that you have some unresolved issues that you really need to solve, and the panic was just marijuana's way of showing this to you. If this ever happens again, you should try to analyze what lies at the root of that panic, and to come to terms with that. It is quite easy to do, once you set such a goal, and it can be a great help in everyday life, too.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

This could probably mean that you have some unresolved issues that you really need to solve, and the panic was just marijuana's way of showing this to you. If this ever happens again, you should try to analyze what lies at the root of that panic, and to come to terms with that. It is quite easy to do, once you set such a goal, and it can be a great help in everyday life, too.

Please stay real..."marijuanna's way of showing you"...
Ok now it's pop stand psyche 101....
I guess yer a toker Vereya?

 

[Pangloss]

Here's sad:

Hives the size of twoonies if I smoke it or eat it. Hugely allergic to it.

The beer of drugs. I could grow it myself. The perfect compliment to my life.

A stranger forever to me.

Sad and cruel world.

Pangloss

 

[Unforgiven]

It spanned a couple different kinds (one of which a friend did say when I gave it away was ridiculously strong), a few different situations (from out drinking with friends, to home relaxing), and a few different dosages.

Know nothings and trolls aside:
There are a few strains available that are very very strong. Often depending on location of the producer, what becomes available can usually be much the same and hybrids of similar strains. That you became overly paranoid and suffered anxiety attacks has a possible root cause in a few different places.

A range from narcotic to hallucinogenic does exist and often hybrids are created to suit growing specifications, yield, effect and price. There are specific strains established now that have a proven stable Cannabinoid level.

Also, there is the collection of outside pressures that can have a psychological effect on the high. Drugs interact with each other. Some anti-psychotic/anti-depressants may have an enhanced effect or have side effects heightened or altered.

Most of us don't really get that we add a cocktail of chemicals to our system each day with little if any regard for the effects this combination will cause.
Though not really the point I'm getting at here, food for thought.

Are you prone to anxiety or panic attacks? Have they ever occurred when you haven't smoked pot? Are you allergic to any medications or grain based foods?
is there any family history of mental illness that you know of?

While if I were you I would make a point not to consume pot again, I would investigate what it is that triggered the paranoia and anxiety attacks so that you have a good understanding of what is going on physically with your body.

There has never been a reported heart attack caused by Cannabis nor has it been found to even have a lethal dosage. I don't agree with your suggestion that a side effect is incredibly high anxiety. While some people do experience such a thing, I have to say that it's got more to do with the individual than the pot.

There is a major misconception of what side effects are with regard to illegal drugs. The amount of misrepresentation and scare mongering that has been pumped out by the war on drugs is a leading cause of problems associated with use. It's been said that smoking as little as one joint of pot will turn the average person into a rapist, a murderer, or will even make them completely insane. Of course none of that is true but there have been people who have taken those suggestions to heart. Or will blame their own actions on pot use to avoid responsibility.

While I'm not insinuating that in your case, I would suggest you look deeper into why you had the feeling you were going to have a heart attack, and even die. It's an established fact that there is no possible way to die from pot other than to have a bail of it fall on you at the wrong moment.

 

[Unforgiven]

Here's sad:

Hives the size of twoonies if I smoke it or eat it. Hugely allergic to it.

The beer of drugs. I could grow it myself. The perfect compliment to my life.

A stranger forever to me.

Sad and cruel world.

Pangloss

Have you been tested clinically with something like Sativex?

 

[karrie]

i think the damage out way the benefits. You can eliminate the effects of Chemo with "t h c" pills and you don't need to get high from smoking it.
People that go on about that their "medicinal" weed from the govt. isn't strong enough is another issue with me. It will do the job and take away the nausea but these people want to be high.


People that use it though tend to really defend it ...lol...it's like supposed to be actually good for you...NOT!!!!!

Well.. I wouldn't go that far, even though I can't use it personally. I've seen chemo patients who just couldn't get access to a scrip for the stuff from the docs, and were SO helped by it. My pain went an almost ten day hiatus, which floored me.

It may be hard on the lungs, but when you cnosider what so many other scrips from the doc do to your body, sometimes it's a worthwhile risk. I had to quit ALL doc prescribed painkillers, and can take meds only in the most dire situations now. And even then, I'm guaranteed that one night of relief from the pain, is going to result in a couple days of stomach pains. Ulcers, liver damage, kidney damage... they're not better options than lung damage.

And the gov. pot wasn't a problem just because of the lack of a high... it was a problem because it caused more smoke than necessary, and was too harsh for them to make good use out of it. If you spend yuor whole time afterwards hacking out yuor lungs, you're probably not going to feel relieved that your nausea's gone.

 

[karrie]

This could probably mean that you have some unresolved issues that you really need to solve, and the panic was just marijuana's way of showing this to you. If this ever happens again, you should try to analyze what lies at the root of that panic, and to come to terms with that. It is quite easy to do, once you set such a goal, and it can be a great help in everyday life, too.

I'm sorry Vereya. To me, pot is just a medication like any other. Made up of chemicals like any other. It will not effect every body the same way, and obviously doesn't effect me well. If I ever try it again, my goal won't be some healing of my mind. It will be to find the weakest strain I can! lol.

 

[karrie]

Know nothings and trolls aside:
There are a few strains available that are very very strong. Often depending on location of the producer, what becomes available can usually be much the same and hybrids of similar strains. That you became overly paranoid and suffered anxiety attacks has a possible root cause in a few different places.

All of what I got came from different places, clear across the province. Some home grown by friends who've been growing the same plants since the 80's, some (the really strong stuff) from well meaning friends who wanted to get me the max pain relief for my buck, and some from friends who just use it on occasion.

Most of us don't really get that we add a cocktail of chemicals to our system each day with little if any regard for the effects this combination will cause.
Though not really the point I'm getting at here, food for thought.

Pot wasn't an option for me until I'd exhausted all pharmaceutical options, and was thus chemical free.

Are you prone to anxiety or panic attacks? Have they ever occurred when you haven't smoked pot? Are you allergic to any medications or grain based foods?
is there any family history of mental illness that you know of?

No, no, allergic to sulpha drugs, and no.

While if I were you I would make a point not to consume pot again, I would investigate what it is that triggered the paranoia and anxiety attacks so that you have a good understanding of what is going on physically with your body.

yeah, I can't say I buy into that. A chemical entered my body, and had side effects. Lots of chemicals have entered my body at different points in time, and all bring with them different side effects. Why would I try to evaluate the psychology behind one chemical side effect, and not others? I'd be more keen to figure out why I get morning sickness from birth control frankly... much more useful to my current situation than finding out why pot makes me severely anxious and paranoid (which isn't unique to me).

While I'm not insinuating that in your case, I would suggest you look deeper into why you had the feeling you were going to have a heart attack, and even die. It's an established fact that there is no possible way to die from pot other than to have a bail of it fall on you at the wrong moment.

LOL. I never said I would die from pot... I was illustrating how nasty the paranoia was, how I FELT when I was on it. How you feel when you're high isn't the same as what's happening in reality. When I'm high on codeine my face melts, but I have yet to actually lose my face in reality. lol.

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[Dreadful Nonsense]

Know nothings and trolls aside:

It's always the same, don't agree ,your a troll or know nothing. Here unfy i'm calling you out to have a discussion here. Don't want to answer "the troll" maybe just post and make it clear for all.I'm always willing to admit i'm wrong and learn.
There are a few strains available that are very very strong. Often depending on location of the producer, what becomes available can usually be much the same and hybrids of similar strains. That you became overly paranoid and suffered anxiety attacks has a possible root cause in a few different places.
Soooo you never get buzzed when smoking.Ok fair enough. How about the first of the day? Is this different than the rest smoked after the first of the day.Do you agree with the statement "That the first of the day is always different then the next to follow" .

A range from narcotic to hallucinogenic does exist and often hybrids are created to suit growing specifications, yield, effect and price. There are specific strains established now that have a proven stable Cannabinoid level.
Could you explain "stable Cannabinoid level" and how it relates to the buzzed effect, which includes such effects as being paranoid, confused, not coherant forgetting what one is just talking about,giddy,. Look i'm not knocking weed totally , just trying to establish what it is. A drug that gets you stoned.

Also, there is the collection of outside pressures that can have a psychological effect on the high. Drugs interact with each other. Some anti-psychotic/anti-depressants may have an enhanced effect or have side effects heightened or altered.

Most of us don't really get that we add a cocktail of chemicals to our system each day with little if any regard for the effects this combination will cause.

Yes this is true and obvious
Though not really the point I'm getting at here, food for thought.
The point is wether weed gets you stoned and if everyone gets paranoid all the time from it..I say no you don't get paranoid all the time, but it can crop up to almost everyone that smokes it. Why get so defensive and scientific to prove the contray. why not admit it's a drug that when smoked you are stoned. Depending on how much you smoke and how strong ,one is going to be stoned. altered

Are you prone to anxiety or panic attacks? Have they ever occurred when you haven't smoked pot? Are you allergic to any medications or grain based foods?
is there any family history of mental illness that you know of?

While if I were you I would make a point not to consume pot again, I would investigate what it is that triggered the paranoia and anxiety attacks so that you have a good understanding of what is going on physically with your body.
I'm really trying to not insult what you are doing here. I really feel there is an absence of honesty on your behalf to prove some point you are on about. Are you saying that you smoke weed that does not get you stoned, buzzed, incoherent, giddy,forgetfull,loss of reality? What do you smoke and what effects does it incure. Fair enough question. You've called me a lier often enough for me to say your being somewhat "leaving out facts" to prove some arcane point.

There has never been a reported heart attack caused by Cannabis nor has it been found to even have a lethal dosage. I don't agree with your suggestion that a side effect is incredibly high anxiety. While some people do experience such a thing, I have to say that it's got more to do with the individual than the pot.
There side effects that are just as bad though. Forget lung damge, the frontal lobe of young are now proven to be hindered in young users. The downs come with mood swings, if you are honest about you will admit. I ask you does a healthy person need to use this, and is it a good thing?
There is a major misconception of what side effects are with regard to illegal drugs. The amount of misrepresentation and scare mongering that has been pumped out by the war on drugs is a leading cause of problems associated with use. It's been said that smoking as little as one joint of pot will turn the average person into a rapist, a murderer, or will even make them completely insane. Of course none of that is true but there have been people who have taken those suggestions to heart. Or will blame their own actions on pot use to avoid responsibility.

Those inane suggestions are not even valid to use in disscussion, for they tend to thwart any opposition to pot use.It's like watching reefer madness the movie and saying"See they lie, so it must be a good thing"I ask you in all your studies have you found any harmfull effects from use?

While I'm not insinuating that in your case, I would suggest you look deeper into why you had the feeling you were going to have a heart attack, and even die. It's an established fact that there is no possible way to die from pot other than to have a bail of it fall on you at the wrong moment.

 

[Unforgiven]

Don't take this the wrong way but it sounds like a psychosymatic reaction.
That the times you tried it had the same reaction, narrows the field down. That you have never had an anxiety attack before and that you are on no other medication at all points to in your case, you and pot aren't at all compatable.
From the sounds of it, you haven't smoked or ingested large dosages and so I would rule that out. That it happened with in your opinion experienced people I can assume they know what they had and went about things in the usual manner.

Many people feel a slight paranoia or anxiety when ingesting but nothing that isn't easy to deal with. Did you feel at all euphoric or at any point did you relax? Or was it just incredibly high anxiety until you came down from the pot?

Through my own experience and extensive research into Marijuana, your experience isn't a common one. Though not unheard of. I hope you find something that can bring you some relief from pain.

Know nothings and trolls aside:
There are a few strains available that are very very strong. Often depending on location of the producer, what becomes available can usually be much the same and hybrids of similar strains. That you became overly paranoid and suffered anxiety attacks has a possible root cause in a few different places.

All of what I got came from different places, clear across the province. Some home grown by friends who've been growing the same plants since the 80's, some (the really strong stuff) from well meaning friends who wanted to get me the max pain relief for my buck, and some from friends who just use it on occasion.

Most of us don't really get that we add a cocktail of chemicals to our system each day with little if any regard for the effects this combination will cause.
Though not really the point I'm getting at here, food for thought.

Pot wasn't an option for me until I'd exhausted all pharmaceutical options, and was thus chemical free.

Are you prone to anxiety or panic attacks? Have they ever occurred when you haven't smoked pot? Are you allergic to any medications or grain based foods?
is there any family history of mental illness that you know of?

No, no, allergic to sulpha drugs, and no.

While if I were you I would make a point not to consume pot again, I would investigate what it is that triggered the paranoia and anxiety attacks so that you have a good understanding of what is going on physically with your body.

yeah, I can't say I buy into that. A chemical entered my body, and had side effects. Lots of chemicals have entered my body at different points in time, and all bring with them different side effects. Why would I try to evaluate the psychology behind one chemical side effect, and not others? I'd be more keen to figure out why I get morning sickness from birth control frankly... much more useful to my current situation than finding out why pot makes me severely anxious and paranoid (which isn't unique to me).

While I'm not insinuating that in your case, I would suggest you look deeper into why you had the feeling you were going to have a heart attack, and even die. It's an established fact that there is no possible way to die from pot other than to have a bail of it fall on you at the wrong moment.

LOL. I never said I would die from pot... I was illustrating how nasty the paranoia was, how I FELT when I was on it. How you feel when you're high isn't the same as what's happening in reality. When I'm high on codeine my face melts, but I have yet to actually lose my face in reality. lol.

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[Dreadful Nonsense]

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Has anyone ever noticed most comedians when talking about weed focus their humor on the effects such as Paranoia, fogetfull thinking, increased appetite,laughing about nothing.......I mean sam kinneson (sp) a toker, used to make fun it all the time...why do some people wish to take away what it really is and turn into some sort of panacea

 

[karrie]

Don't take this the wrong way but it sounds like a psychosymatic reaction.
That the times you tried it had the same reaction, narrows the field down. That you have never had an anxiety attack before and that you are on no other medication at all points to in your case, you and pot aren't at all compatable.
From the sounds of it, you haven't smoked or ingested large dosages and so I would rule that out. That it happened with in your opinion experienced people I can assume they know what they had and went about things in the usual manner.

Many people feel a slight paranoia or anxiety when ingesting but nothing that isn't easy to deal with. Did you feel at all euphoric or at any point did you relax? Or was it just incredibly high anxiety until you came down from the pot?

Through my own experience and extensive research into Marijuana, your experience isn't a common one. Though not unheard of. I hope you find something that can bring you some relief from pain.

A psychosomatic reaction? I can't really imagine why that would be. It seems much more likely that the chemical THC doesn't react the same in my physiology as it does in others. You've said yourself it's not unheard of. Many other drugs react oddly in my system. Even birth control reacts screwy. My research into marijuana has also shown my side effects to be, indeed, side effects experienced by some when taking marijuana.

 

[Unforgiven]

A psychosomatic reaction? I can't really imagine why that would be. It seems much more likely that the chemical THC doesn't react the same in my physiology as it does in others. You've said yourself it's not unheard of. Many other drugs react oddly in my system. Even birth control reacts screwy. My research into marijuana has also shown my side effects to be, indeed, side effects experienced by some when taking marijuana.

Who knows why? But I do know that some people don't feel well when they are not in 100% control of their faculties. So even smoking a small amount of pot can make for a huge problem with their coping mechanism. Maybe that's not you at all, but it's another thing to consider.

Do you smoke?