Many believe aboriginal people don't pay enough taxes

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His estate would have to use any & all resources to pay off the debt including sale of real property. If there is not enough to pay the debt the house would be sold. I could buy it out at MY discretion but they could not sue me for any shortfall. Also if the property is sold for more than the debt they cannot keep the extra, it reverts to the estate and is distributed to his heirs.

CB didn't understand the context of your statement. The rest of us did though.
 

CDNBear

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Since when did context become important to you?
The implication contained in your question is voided by your claim to being the silliest member here.

His estate would have to use any & all resources to pay off the debt including sale of real property. If there is not enough to pay the debt the house would be sold. I could buy it out at MY discretion but they could not sue me for any shortfall. Also if the property is sold for more than the debt they cannot keep the extra, it reverts to the estate and is distributed to his heirs.
So you retract all your previous objections to the contract and agree with me.

Good to know.

CB didn't understand the context of your statement. The rest of us did though.
LOL.

By living here in Canada, on the land that was traded in those contracts, he has chosen to keep the home.

Obviously you didn't understand.
 

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Well, you are either part of Canada or you aren't.
Do you mean Canada the land (country) or the Corporation of Canada (government)?

I am definitely part of the former and held hostage against my will by the latter.

I have had the discussion with a few scholars about the legitimacy of being forced into participating in government (paying taxes, adherence to legislation, receiving benefits) and it becomes an interesting topic.

Article 21 of the Universal Declaration of Human rights says I have the right to participate in government. This also implies the right to NOT participate, but we are forced into participating whether we want to or not (we can't choose not to pay tax without being arrested as an example) so I believe that invokes Article 4 which states I cannot be held in slavery or servitude. Obviously if I cannot opt out of the government and its control I am enslaved to it.

Now I believe that if one were to opt out that means you cannot claim any benefits (EI, healthcare, education) except on a pay as you go basis but that is a choice for the individual.

Article 21.

(1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives

Article 4.

No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights
 

gerryh

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The reps who signed these deals many, many years ago may well have been given authority by those people alive at the time but I wasn't alive so they cannot assume to have my authority to bargain or negotiate on my behalf. I do not believe that I, not being a party to the contract and not having given due authority to those who made the contract, should be held accountable for the deal and can really find no legal reason I should.
Example:If my dad dies owing on his mortgage they can collect from his estate but cannot go after me or my sisters if there is not enough to pay them off. The obligation does not pass on to me just because I am his son.

A contract that is not honored must be proven to be valid. After it is proven the aggrieved party may ask the court for an judgement order to pay and then follow certain steps to collect which include applying for orders to garnishee wages and for possession and sale of property.


Simple then. Get the fu ck out of Canada. Like your Fathers house with the unpaid mortgage, it reverts back to the First Nations and you (since you by your own admission have no legal standing) can find somewhere else to park your sorry as s.
 

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Do you mean Canada the land (country) or the Corporation of Canada (government)?

I am definitely part of the former and held hostage against my will by the latter.

I have had the discussion with a few scholars about the legitimacy of being forced into participating in government (paying taxes, adherence to legislation, receiving benefits) and it becomes an interesting topic.

Article 21 of the Universal Declaration of Human rights says I have the right to participate in government. This also implies the right to NOT participate, but we are forced into participating whether we want to or not (we can't choose not to pay tax without being arrested as an example) so I believe that invokes Article 4 which states I cannot be held in slavery or servitude. Obviously if I cannot opt out of the government and its control I am enslaved to it.

Now I believe that if one were to opt out that means you cannot claim any benefits (EI, healthcare, education) except on a pay as you go basis but that is a choice for the individual.



The Universal Declaration of Human Rights
So? You either have the choice to stick with it or opt out. Whatever your choice is, you are still either Canadian, subject to the whims of guvmint, or you aren't. So, if you choose to stick with it, it's pretty implicit that you accept to be a Canadian slave however much you may grumble about it.
 
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So? You either have the choice to stick with it or opt out. Whatever your choice is, you are still either Canadian, subject to the whims of guvmint, or you aren't.

I believe you can be Canadian (of the land/country) without being enslaved by the Corporation (govt). I am quite capable to fend for myself without their interference or benefit programs. You see I also have freedom of association which implies I also have freedom to disassociate. Just because you and Gerry think I have to leave this land if I don't want to participate in govt doesn't make it true. Every one of the 34 million people here can say I have to participate in your group but under my human rights I don't have to and forcing me to is a violation of those rights.

And yes bear, there is some freeman philosophy here. I do subscribe to some of their stuff but not the whole deal, some of it is just plain looney.
 

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I believe you can be Canadian (of the land/country) without being enslaved by the Corporation (govt). I am quite capable to fend for myself without their interference or benefit programs. You see I also have freedom of association which implies I also have freedom to disassociate.
Then go for it. I don't think there's anything in gov't that says you can't fight against the conditions of being Canadian.
Just because you and Gerry think I have to leave this land if I don't want to participate in govt doesn't make it true.
Sorry, I said no such thing. All I said was either you choose to be a part of Canada or you don't, however you may grumble about the conditions concerning being a Canadian. I didn't say you had to do anything.
Every one of the 34 million people here can say I have to participate in your group but under my human rights I don't have to and forcing me to is a violation of those rights.
Like I said, convince the gov't about that. If you don't, then you still have options.
 

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Then go for it. I don't think there's anything in gov't that says you can't fight against the conditions of being Canadian.Sorry, I said no such thing. All I said was either you choose to be a part of Canada or you don't, however you may grumble about the conditions concerning being a Canadian. I didn't say you had to do anything. Like I said, convince the gov't about that. If you don't, then you still have options.
My bad, it was only Gerry that said I should leave this land.

I believe there is a distinction between being Canadian (part of the land/country/region) and participating in the corporation. Non-participation in govt does not preclude you from being Canadian if you live in the geographic land-mass known as Canada.
 

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Well, beliefs can get people into trouble. Personally, I accept being a Canadian and am fully aware that in accepting that, I am also accepting that I hire the gov't to act on my behalf. I may not agree with everything they do, but that's immaterial.
 

gerryh

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My bad, it was only Gerry that said I should leave this land.

I believe there is a distinction between being Canadian (part of the land/country/region) and participating in the corporation. Non-participation in govt does not preclude you from being Canadian if you live in the geographic land-mass known as Canada.


If you're not willing to acknowledge the debt owed, then vacate.

You gave the example of a mortgage owed by your Dad and him dieing. The mortgage indebtedness does not transfer to you and your siblings. This is true, what is also true is that the house and/or property that your Dad mortgaged does not transfer to you either. So, based on YOUR example, if you're not willing to accept the debt, or don't feel you have a responsibility to accept the debt, then you are also not legally able to live in/on the land that that debt is attached to.

Don't let the door hit you in the a ss on the way out.
 

PoliticalNick

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If you're not willing to acknowledge the debt owed, then vacate.

You gave the example of a mortgage owed by your Dad and him dieing. The mortgage indebtedness does not transfer to you and your siblings. This is true, what is also true is that the house and/or property that your Dad mortgaged does not transfer to you either. So, based on YOUR example, if you're not willing to accept the debt, or don't feel you have a responsibility to accept the debt, then you are also not legally able to live in/on the land that that debt is attached to.

Don't let the door hit you in the a ss on the way out.

I love you too G ;-)
 

CDNBear

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Nice of you to highlight it. Saves me the trouble of explaining it.
Oh stop being silly.

Just because you and Gerry think I have to leave this land if I don't want to participate in govt doesn't make it true.
It's not that you don't want to participate in gov't that you should leave. It's because you claim that you are not party to the contract.

Therefore, by your own statements, you can not benefit from it.

As a Canadian citizen, you benefit from the contract.

And yes bear, there is some freeman philosophy here. I do subscribe to some of their stuff but not the whole deal, some of it is just plain looney.
Yes, the parts you adhere to.

Dad doesn't own the house. the bank does.
You sure are silly.