MANIFESTO: against extremism in Islam

[Colpy]

A world state has been the dream of every meglomaniacal nutbar from Alexander the Great to Adolph Hitler.

Goog idea, guys, let's give the next one what he always wanted!

Look, only about a quarter of the world's nations are free societies, considerably less than half the world lives in a political or religious culture that your average Canadian could understand, or deal with.

A world government would need to be repressive just to keep people from each others' throats.

And tell me, under a world government, to where do the dissidents flee?

From where come new and diverse political ideas?

Diversity is the very stuff of live, be it politically, biologically, or philosophically.

We need our own spaces.

And that is the direction the world is taking......moving towards smaller, more internally cohesive states, in recognition of nationalist aspirations.

Beav, you are off the mark here in so many ways......

 

[Jay]

"And tell me, under a world government, to where do the dissidents flee?"


Great post and points here, Colpy.


Like wine....your posts prove we get better with age! :wink:

I'm also assuming some people around here are getting younger.

 

[Just the Facts]

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Onward christian soldiers.

Compare this to Jeckgo's quotes. Need I say more?

http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/o/n/onwardcs.htm

 

[PoisonPete2]

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And that is the direction the world is taking......moving towards smaller, more internally cohesive states, in recognition of nationalist aspirations.
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RESPONSE: Oh really??? Then the concept of Globalization, with all of its exclusive meetings on how to cut up the cake, it is all a myth right??? The rules that allow foreign private business to sue our government for legislation that 'restrict' trade by seeking to protect health. That too is myth right? A law that bans people from collecting rainwater, because water has become a commodity controlled by a corporation. Another myth right??? Actually not right. Not at all.

And if a nation opts to boldly strike off to define itself in terms unacceptable to American corporate interests, that nation will be given respect, right?

"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it comes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group," : Franklin D. Roosevelt

 

[jimmoyer]

RESPONSE: Oh really??? Then the concept of Globalization, with all of its exclusive meetings on how to cut up the cake, it is all a myth right??? The rules that allow foreign private business to sue our government for legislation that 'restrict' trade by seeking to protect health. That too is myth right? A law that bans people from collecting rainwater, because water has become a commodity controlled by a corporation. Another myth right??? Actually not right. Not at all.

And if a nation opts to boldly strike off to define itself in terms unacceptable to American corporate interests, that nation will be given respect, right?

"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it comes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group," : Franklin D. Roosevelt

--------------------------PoisonPete2-----------------------

Man, PoisonPete2, you're all over the map.

You said quite a few points in there.

Let's break it down.

First: Globalization vs Nation States.

We're seeing both strive forward. We see a push for globalization and we see a push for nation-state sovereignty.

At the same time.

You know this.

Look at the Nunavaat ? Or Scotland's semi-autonomous parliament, or Quebec or Alberta feeling their separateness. Or the Kurds. Or the breakup of China, believe it or not, when you research the ethnic group in Sinkiang that looks across its borders at the Uzbeks and Turkmenistan. Or Tibet, still holding on to its soul.
You see the separateness in the Sudan with one civil war between the muslim north and christian south, and now a 2nd civil war with Dafur. As effective as the Sudan govt is at genocidal warfare, it ain't getting completely done. Just as you saw with the Serbs not getting it done with the rest of the ethnics and muslims in the breakup of Yugoslavia.

And of course you see globalization as developed nations seek to clear away all restraints on trade, which actually does far more to bring up undeveloped nations than this vaunted foreign aid, piddly as it is, can ever hope to accomplish.

The rest of your points need response, but this post is too long already.

 

[Colpy]

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And that is the direction the world is taking......moving towards smaller, more internally cohesive states, in recognition of nationalist aspirations.
quote]

RESPONSE: Oh really??? Then the concept of Globalization, with all of its exclusive meetings on how to cut up the cake, it is all a myth right??? The rules that allow foreign private business to sue our government for legislation that 'restrict' trade by seeking to protect health. That too is myth right? A law that bans people from collecting rainwater, because water has become a commodity controlled by a corporation. Another myth right??? Actually not right. Not at all.

And if a nation opts to boldly strike off to define itself in terms unacceptable to American corporate interests, that nation will be given respect, right?

"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it comes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group," : Franklin D. Roosevelt

The division of the world into smaller political entities hardly negates globalization. The economic system hammers on regardless.

The rest of your post I agree with, at least partially. I do not like the growing power of mega-corporations, nor the surrender of sovereignty to them. At the same time, I find the lefty struggle against globalization is often inspired by simple greed......"What do you mean industry is leaving the rich west and establishing jobs in poor nations? Those are MY jobs."

The worst was the stupidity at the G8 summit where all the usual suspects gathered to fight...........a conference that was trying to lower agricultural trade barriers, a move that might even allow third world farmers to compete on the open market.

Got to love anarchists......arrogance, stupidity and idealism honed to a fine edge.

I like the FDR quote.

 

[jimmoyer]

Excellent post Colpy.

"What do you mean industry is leaving the rich west
and establishing jobs in porr nations ? Those are MY
jobs."

Well said, among other good points.

 

[FiveParadox]

I would assert that perhaps the lines are somewhat blurred between the left-wing and the right-wing members of society when it comes to talk of some sort of world governance; I for one, while left-wing (as many should know by now, lol), am in favour of stronger world governance — however, it would have to be handled properly. A conventional government would not work.

 

[jimmoyer]

Too lazy to give credit to find the poster who asked, "with one world government, where can the
dissidents go ?"

Oh they can stay on this planet ?

The only real opposition to world government will
be something based on the loose decentralization of al
Qaeda. And that is the most symetric and symbolic
of differences: centralized power vs de-centralized power.

As Hegel professed, there will be a thesis WORLD GOVT,
and of course every thesis begets a rebel Anti-Thesis
until some temporary synthesis emerges into the
New Thesis.

Be assured this cycle will continue as we progress
and learn more and discover more, for death and birth
are a thesis and anti-thesis, and a big shot sheriff
always begets a challenging outlaw, and any idea
you imagine will beget a challenge that cannot neatly
be subsumed inside some bubble, for some rebel is
going to think outside of that bubble, outside of that
box.

I believe nation-states will provide some necessary
diversity as they seek friendlier relations, and will
patch together alliances and committees to handle
mutual problems.