Love Them Khadrs

[Colpy]

Now here's a personal pet peeve:

Why are we coddling the Khadr family?

These people have engaged in acts of sedition, if not treason, against Canada. They supported the Taliban and Osama bin Laden by raising money, acting as instructor at terror training camps, and attacking American soldiers.

Now, I understand the latter bit might win them some fans around here, but they should remember that those US soldiers were fighting shoulder to shoulder with Canadian troops. It could have easily been Princess Pats or JTF2 troopers killed by these treasonous idiots.

Canadas reaction?

Welcome them back here with open arms to treat their wounded son, and listen politely to lectures on how perverse a society we are.

My solution?

Try them for sedition. If found guilty, sentence them to a nice 5 to 25 year term, strip them of their Canadian citizenship, and (upon their eventual release) drop them back into Afghanistan, perferably from 20,000 feet.

Actually, I'd rather see them hanged from lamp posts on Younge Street as an example.....but that just ain't politically correct.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Except one of them claims to have been working for the CIA at least part of the time and his claims are at least somewhat credible.

There is something going on that we don't know about obviously...our government allowed (likely helped) Arar to be shipped off to be tortured and has issued security certificates on "suspected terrorists" that have no little or no evidence against them. One guy had a free map in a truck he'd borrowed and that got him busted.

We've arrested at least one journalist for daring to ask questions.

So I suspect there is a lot more to the Khadr story than we are being told and I suspect the CIA has been deeply involved in it since the very beginning...likely well before 9-11.

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: Love Them Khadrs

Except one of them claims to have been working for the CIA at least part of the time and his claims are at least somewhat credible.

There is something going on that we don't know about obviously...our government allowed (likely helped) Arar to be shipped off to be tortured and has issued security certificates on "suspected terrorists" that have no little or no evidence against them. One guy had a free map in a truck he'd borrowed and that got him busted.

We've arrested at least one journalist for daring to ask questions.

So I suspect there is a lot more to the Khadr story than we are being told and I suspect the CIA has been deeply involved in it since the very beginning...likely well before 9-11.

No argument here.

 

[Colpy]

Here's one for ya.

While the Khadrs are getting free medical care.....my best friend, who spent fifteen years wandering the world, seven of them working in Saudi Arabia, and over two in the United States living with a woman....has been refused Medicare.

He was born here. He has lived here most of his life. He is employed here. He has been fighting with the provincial bureaucracy for over a year. They have given him hoops to jump through, all of which he has done, excepting one.

No medicare card has been forthcoming.

The one hoop he refuses to jump through? Sign a release form that permits them to track his movements by any means necessary.

Oh yeah, although this shouldn't matter, this is not a case of racial profiling. This dude is very white. Were he an Arab, I have a feeling his problem would not exist.

What's wrong with this picture?

 

[Papachongo]

Sign a release form that permits them to track his movements by any means necessary.

Can the government even do that?

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Love Them Khadrs

What's wrong with this picture?

Ah, more of that helping hand called the government....

 

[Colpy]

Sign a release form that permits them to track his movements by any means necessary.

Can the government even do that?

I probably was not specific enough.

I meant to say his past movements.

I've been trying to talk him into harassing his MLA, but he is apolitical, and just not of the mindset to really raise hell about this. Stupid on his part, as he has a heart condition, and is 50 years old.

I honestly think if he went to a politician instead of a bureaucrat, this could be solved in a week.

When he stayed with me, Fredericton told him I was simply a "mail drop" and my house did not count as his residence. He wouldn't go to Fredericton with me. I would have liked to have had a face-to-face with these people, 'cause I'm one big nasty "mail drop".

 

[Papachongo]

If the guy is a canadian citizen aren't they obligated to give him medicare? Or is universal medicare only universal to selected citizens?

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: Love Them Khadrs

If the guy is a canadian citizen aren't they obligated to give him medicare? Or is universal medicare only universal to selected citizens?

Now there's the question.

 

[Durgan]

Khadr family.
Is this the family Cretain fast tracked into Canada? I think this is correct.

If I remember the patriarch was in some trouble in Syria(?) and starting bleating that he was a Canadian Citizen, and Cretain fast tracked the bunch into Canada.

This one one of the few times the Canadian Governmnet ever helped a citizen (?), who was in trouble in a foreign land.

Durgan.

 

[annabattler]

This issue has raised my hackles as well.
On the one hand,I'd like to believe that every Canadian citizen deserves fair and equitable treatment.
On the other hand,I get the feeling we're being used(if not abused).Part of me feels that "immigrant" Canadians should feel a sense of gratitude and loyalty to our country.
Perhaps,over time, a more accurate picture of the Khadr family will emerge.

 

[Durgan]

Khadr Family information.

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/303

http://gummiang.notlong.com

In January 1996, Prime Minister Jean Chrétien was on a Team Canada trade mission to Pakistan.

Ahmed Said Khadr's wife and some of their children came to Chrétien's hotel in Islamabad to plead the case of her husband. The oldest son, Abdullah, who was 15 at the time, remembers his encounter with the Canadian prime minister.

"He told me that 'once I was a son of a farmer, and I became prime minister. Maybe one day you will become one.' That was a nice compliment."

Jean Chrétien raised the Khadr case with the Pakistani prime minister at the time, Benazir Bhutto, and within weeks, Ahmed Said Khadr was released. He resumed his life, which he claimed was devoted to charity work in Afghanistan.
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This Canadian Citizenship bullshit is being carried too far. You immigrate to Canada, then you accept Canadian values to some large degree. To act against the interests of Canada, and then hide behind the flag is simply not acceptable. Those in position of power are acting plain stupid in the case of this family. It is possibly time to kick their ass back to their place of origin. Sorry folks that is reality. Why the kid glove treatment?

Zundel got the boot eventually under less than democratic conditions, when some of our political people found their cajones.

Canada did little to protect Sampson, when he was held in a Saudia jail. Canada hid in the dark during his ordeal.

I have some sympathy for the patriach for fighting the Russians, only because that was our (Canadian) policy at the time, but I feel he and his are abusing their Canadian citizenship.

Durgan.

 

[Finder]

Khadr Family information.

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/303

http://gummiang.notlong.com

In January 1996, Prime Minister Jean Chrétien was on a Team Canada trade mission to Pakistan.

Ahmed Said Khadr's wife and some of their children came to Chrétien's hotel in Islamabad to plead the case of her husband. The oldest son, Abdullah, who was 15 at the time, remembers his encounter with the Canadian prime minister.

"He told me that 'once I was a son of a farmer, and I became prime minister. Maybe one day you will become one.' That was a nice compliment."

Jean Chrétien raised the Khadr case with the Pakistani prime minister at the time, Benazir Bhutto, and within weeks, Ahmed Said Khadr was released. He resumed his life, which he claimed was devoted to charity work in Afghanistan.
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This Canadian Citizenship bullshit is being carried too far. You immigrate to Canada, then you accept Canadian values to some large degree. To act against the interests of Canada, and then hide behind the flag is simply not acceptable. Those in position of power are acting plain stupid in the case of this family. It is possibly time to kick their ass back to their place of origin. Sorry folks that is reality. Why the kid glove treatment?

Zundel got the boot eventually under less than democratic conditions, when some of our political people found their cajones.

I have some sympathy for the patriach for fighting the Russians, only because that was our (Canadian) policy at the time, but I feel he and his are abusing their Canadian citizenship.

Durgan.

Soooooooo, you think a Nazi holocaust dennier was discriminated againt? Am I the only one who thinks defending a Nazi is a bad thing?

 

[Durgan]

Khadr Family information.
Soooooooo, you think a Nazi holocaust dennier was discriminated againt? Am I the only one who thinks defending a Nazi is a bad thing?

Your comment sounds like something Stockwell Day, who I consider a typical CPC, said about a lawyer defending a pedophile, which cost the tax-payers of Alberta a million dollars. If the post is read completely Zundel was mentioned as a comparison more than any attempt to defend his dumb ennunciations.

Zundel got exposure from the media for reasons nobody but the media knows. Nobody with a brain even considered his rambling other than idiotic and stupid. Actually, he did more to keep the haulcaust in the limelight than even the National Post.

Christ, Zundel wasn't even a Canadian citizen and the politicians kept him here for over 20 years, then threw him out under the umbrella of the Canadian version of the USA "Patriot Act". That piece of dumb legislation, where people can be locked up indefinitely without at least our courts having a run at the accused is scary to me, hence my comment under less than democratic means.
Durgan.