Lost Discussion

[DurkaDurka]

I don't know to be honest. I know Ben is pissed because Locke could see/hear him. That was a pretty strange scene. On another web site, some guy slowed down the video and got a screen capture of Jacob's face.

From Lostpedia:
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Jacob

When Locke attempts to leave he hears the words "Help me." The voice is low and does not sound like Ben's. Locke turns back around and asks Ben what he said. Ben says he said nothing, Locke turns on the flashlight and starts to tell Ben what he heard. Just before Locke repeats Jacob's message items in the room seem to shake on their own, some items seemingly thrown. This keeps Locke from relaying Jacob's secret message to Ben. Ben attempts to stop Jacob, but he is forcibly thrown against a wall. In the midst of this a brief image of a man, Jacob, can be seen.

 

[Twila]

k, I messed myself up. I mixed Ben up with Jacob.

 

[Zzarchov]

ok..the last scene lends credence to the time travel theory.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Still lots of loose ends though, as expected. Clearly the last scene has Jack and Kate back on the mainland after being rescued from the island, presumably by the folks on Naomi's freighter, though given the way things have gone in the program before I'd say that's only what we're supposed to think. If this is about time travel and Schroedinger's Cat and other such things and they're 14 years in the past on the island, (I'd say 16, that's how long Rousseau's message has been broadcasting), there must be multiple crossing timelines involved. Jack's father, for instance, died in real time before the fatal flight, Jack was heading home with his father's body when the plane crashed. Yet in one of those scenes with the wrecked drunken Jack at the hospital--which we were no doubt supposed to think were flashbacks until the final scene--Jack refers to his father in a way that clearly suggests he's still alive and working at the same hospital.

Still lots of apparently supernatural elements in it too. That black cloud that shows up every now and then, Locke receiving what should have been a fatal wound and eventually walking away from it, that awful one-eyed Russian character who's been killed three times now... Steve Wynn's theory--the one Just the Facts posted-- is provocative, but doesn't cover all the bases.

But man, good for Hurley! Saved the day; I cheered at that scene where he came barrelling out of the woods in the old VW van. I like that character a lot. And good for Jack for facing down Ben's bluff about shooting his people on the beach. I'll bet we haven't seen the last of Charlie either, and I'll further suggest that the unidentified body in the casket at the funeral home Jack visits in one of those flashforwards will turn out to be Ben. He's the only one I can think of who's so disliked and mistrusted that nobody would show up at the viewing.

 

[Zzarchov]

I thought it was Sawyer in the casket.

As for John, to be fair..he was shot in the Kidney (which is missing) so he'd actually be fine..given how the Island makes everyone heal fast.

 

[Twila]

I wonder about the several mentions on Hurley's weight lately. It's got to mean something.
We know they won't be rescued from the island though...if the were...no more lost.

God John bugs me...always messing things up

 

[Just the Facts]

I thought it was Sawyer in the casket.

As for John, to be fair..he was shot in the Kidney (which is missing) so he'd actually be fine..given how the Island makes everyone heal fast.

Good point, so just a flesh wound even though it went right through him. What's with Walt, was he really there or was that Locke's delirium, or some sort of projection?

Another thing that struck me about Jack and the hospital was how he barked at that doctor something along the lines of "do you have any idea how long I've worked at this hospital?" Maybe nothing to it, but perhaps groundhog day? Are they stuck in time somehow?

Another tidbit that I don't hear much about is Locke not being able to get close to the hatch under the crashed plane...his legs stopped working as he approached it. Is that were the wormhole is? The gateway to the present timeline?

Man, so many questions, we haven't even touched on Eko and how his brother got there. Can't wait until next season.

 

[Just the Facts]

We know they won't be rescued from the island though...if the were...no more lost.

Maybe the next chapter will take a whole new twist, from being "Lost" on a remote island, to being "Lost" in space/time.

 

[Just the Facts]

Maybe the next chapter will take a whole new twist, from being "Lost" on a remote island, to being "Lost" in space/time.

Which, upon further ponderance, would make sense. It must be getting expensive filming in Hawaii!! :smile:

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I thought it was Sawyer in the casket.

That was my first thought too, but Kate's "why would I go?" remark to Jack suggests otherwise to me. She does have at least a grudging respect and liking for Sawyer; if it were him in the casket she'd have been there. Unless of course Sawyer does something so totally awful in future episodes that he destroys whatever feelings she has for him. She also said in the final scene as she left Jack at the airport that "He'll be waiting." No good clue who "he" might be of course, but if it's somebody from the island and it's not Jack--and obviously it isn't Jack and equally obviously it's somebody Jack knows or she'd have used a name or a label like husband or boyfriend--Sawyer's the logical choice for who she'd be with. Or maybe it's just more deliberate misdirection from the writers.

As for John, to be fair..he was shot in the Kidney ...

Is that how you saw it? The wound appeared to me to be near the bottom of the rib cage on his left front, which wouldn't put the bullet into a kidney, or where a kidney used to be. No matter though, really. It wouldn't be a rapidly fatal wound, and that rapid healing the island does is another of those supernatural elements that Wynn's theorizing doesn't address. Wynn I think is looking for rational scientific explanations for what might actually be a fantasy world in which various subtle forms of magic work. There's been so much apparently supernatural stuff in the program that I no longer expect it to make sense in terms of a scientific world view, but I'm still willing to suspend my disbelief and enjoy it as good entertainment and a provocative set of puzzles.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Man, so many questions....

I also think it might be expecting too much that the writers will manage to tie up every loose end before the series ends. Remember the series called St. Elsewhere? The writers cheated badly at the end, turned the whole thing into a fantasy in the mind of a severely autistic child.

 

[DurkaDurka]

a couple things:

In the Flash forwards;

-Jack refers to his dad being alive when speaking to the head of surgery
-Kate is free, shouldn't she be under arrest?

So is it possible they have moved back in time?

 

[Andem]

a couple things:

In the Flash forwards;

-Jack refers to his dad being alive when speaking to the head of surgery
-Kate is free, shouldn't she be under arrest?

So is it possible they have moved back in time?

Very good point. I just finished watching part II of the finale and for a season finale, it ended quite abruptly compared to the last two! I didn't really find it to be such a big cliffhanger.

The idea of going back in modified time goes well and kind of makes sense - all of the survivors of flight 815 seem to have some kind of dark secrets in their respective histories. Maybe the whole point of the occurances on the Island were meant to give these people a clean slate?

Either way, with the flash-(back/foward) on the last scene, it looks like Jacks life has gotten worse.

 

[Meeshee]

First off I cried like a baby in the scene when Charlie died. The whole music and stuff just got to me.

This may have been mentioned, I read through the thread pretty quick. Each episode always goes back in time whereas last night it seemed to go forward. So maybe now they will use the parts when they go to the past and skip forward?

I made no sense.

 

[Twila]

So maybe now they will use the parts when they go to the past and skip forward?

I made no sense.

Well considering we're talking about a show that has a black mist that can take the shape of people, a tropical island with polar bears, you've made perfect sense. lol