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damngrumpy

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JLM greed is the downfall of every society that achieved greatness.
When society sell someone out that is injustice when a society sells
itself out that is insanity
 

karrie

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I think it's just a matter of striking a "happy medium", there's quite a gap between tying up non violent offenders and beating them and releasing violent sexual offenders on unescorted passes.


Really. Seems to me I recall you being an avid Arpaio supporter despite the rotten meals, denial of medical care, etc. I won't swear you actually said it, but, the phrase 'that'll make them think twice about going to jail' rings in my mind any time I think of you and articles regarding prisoner abuse.
 
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SLM

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Really. Seems to me I recall you being an avid Arpaio supporter despite the rotten meals, denial of medical care, etc. I won't swear you actually said it, but, the phrase 'that'll make them think twice about going to jail' rings in my mind any time I think of article regarding prisoner abuse.


That was then, this is now. Quit living in the past karrie.

;)
 

JLM

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Really. Seems to me I recall you being an avid Arpaio supporter despite the rotten meals, denial of medical care, etc. I won't swear you actually said it, but, the phrase 'that'll make them think twice about going to jail' rings in my mind any time I think of you and articles regarding prisoner abuse.


Was Arpaio guilty of rotten meals or denial of medical care? I don't recall EVER having heard that. I think the meals were a little Spartan, steak and Lobster only on special occasions. He made them wear pink and they lived in tents and they worked every day so I think most of what he did was good. Apparently most of them didn't go back for a second dose. I think with Arpaio it was mainly the bleeding hearts stirring the pot. But I could stand corrected. He may have gone a little overboard in his doddering years.
 

JLM

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JLM greed is the downfall of every society that achieved greatness.
When society sell someone out that is injustice when a society sells
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I heard with the Romans, they got fat and lazy, but I suppose that could be connected to greed. -:)
 

karrie

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Was Arpaio guilty of rotten meals or denial of medical care? I don't recall EVER having heard that. I think the meals were a little Spartan, steak and Lobster only on special occasions. He made them wear pink and they lived in tents and they worked every day so I think most of what he did was good. Apparently most of them didn't go back for a second dose. I think with Arpaio it was mainly the bleeding hearts stirring the pot. But I could stand corrected. He may have gone a little overboard in his doddering years.



Oh come on, this isn't the first time his record has been brought up here. The whole way along it was about more than pink jumpsuits. Honestly, if she was a modern politician trying to protect inmates, she'd be a 'bleeding heart stirring the pot' by the standards of many on here.


from wiki.






Unconstitutional jail conditions[edit]

Federal Judge Neil V. Wake ruled in 2008, and again in 2010, that the Maricopa County jails violated the constitutional rights of inmates in medical and other care related issues.[31][32] This ruling was a result of a lawsuit brought by the ACLU, which alleged that "Arpaio routinely abused pre-trial detainees at Maricopa County Jail by feeding them moldy bread, rotten fruit and other contaminated food, housing them in cells so hot as to endanger their health, denying them care for serious medical and mental health needs and keeping them packed as tightly as sardines in holding cells for days at a time during intake."[57]
In a ruling issued in October 2010, the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ordered Arpaio to follow Judge Wake's 2008 ruling, which required Arpaio to end severe overcrowding and ensure all detainees receive necessary medical and mental health care, be given uninterrupted access to all medications prescribed by correctional medical staff, be given access to exercise and to sinks, toilets, toilet paper and soap and be served food that meets or exceeds the U.S. Department of Agriculture's dietary guidelines.[58][59][60][61]
In the case of Braillard v. Maricopa County, the plaintiff's attorney cited numerous reports commissioned and paid for by Maricopa county, dating back as far as 1996, detailing a "culture of cruelty" where inmates are routinely denied humane healthcare at Maricopa County Jails run by Arpaio. Testifying in this case, Arpaio stated that he could not deny making the statement that even if he had a billion dollars he wouldn’t change the way he runs his jails.[62]
Arpaio has publicly stated that his jails are meant as places for punishment, and that their inhabitants are all criminals. Most jail inmates are pre-trial detainees, who are considered innocent until proven guilty.[63]
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Was Arpaio guilty of rotten meals or denial of medical care? I don't recall EVER having heard that. I think the meals were a little Spartan, steak and Lobster only on special occasions. He made them wear pink and they lived in tents and they worked every day so I think most of what he did was good. Apparently most of them didn't go back for a second dose. I think with Arpaio it was mainly the bleeding hearts stirring the pot. But I could stand corrected. He may have gone a little overboard in his doddering years.
He also screwed up treating pre-trial detainees the same way he treated convicts. Seems like the whole "innocent until proven guilty" concept was a little too complex for Arpaio. People who haven't been convicted can't be punished. It's kinda one of the pillars of the Anglo-descended law.
 

karrie

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Way I see it is this kid owes me 50 bitcoins for answering the question on the first reply.





well you owe me 100, for the mental trauma of realizing that Locutus has a mental inventory of strap wielding women.
 

JLM

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Way I see it is this kid owes me 50 bitcoins for answering the question on the first reply.


I saw something on the Idiot box the other day about these bit coins............. I couldn't make head or tail of the damn things. What I'd like to know is what advantage do they have over real money? If I was to get one of these bit coins could I put it in a drawer and take it out and spent it a year from now? I'm a little suspicious of them.
 

JLM

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Oh come on, this isn't the first time his record has been brought up here. The whole way along it was about more than pink jumpsuits. Honestly, if she was a modern politician trying to protect inmates, she'd be a 'bleeding heart stirring the pot' by the standards of many on here.


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Yeah, I've seen opinions on both ends of the spectrum about Arpaio and have no doubt there is some truth in all of it, but we don't want to make the mistake of letting the bad sh*t obliterate the good he did. -:)
 

karrie

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Yeah, I've seen opinions on both ends of the spectrum about Arpaio and have no doubt there is some truth in all of it, but we don't want to make the mistake of letting the bad sh*t obliterate the good he did. -:)



Yeah, we had a poster on here that felt the same way about Hitler. lol.
 

karrie

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Yeah, that guy turned out to be a real bastard. -:)


How are you liking your weather, Karrie? It's even crappy down here!



I'm on day two with the kids at home it's so gross. I had to go out and shovel the doorways three times yesterday, and the kids did it twice. But, on the plus side, the city is supposed to do an emergency plowing blitz today. I know this because their automated system phoned at 11PM last night to tell me
 

JLM

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I'm on day two with the kids at home it's so gross. I had to go out and shovel the doorways three times yesterday, and the kids did it twice. But, on the plus side, the city is supposed to do an emergency plowing blitz today. I know this because their automated system phoned at 11PM last night to tell me


That keeps you in shape and healthy, Karrie.