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Ocean Breeze

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I'm sure the world is gleeful about that while it sits on the sideliness tut tutting and doing nothing but hoping the US fails, nevermind whether Iraq survives.

well, you are WRONG!!. There is little if ANY glee in seeing/watching the US self destruct. And even less glee / ( tut tutting) at seeing the nation that the fecking US invaded by choice deteriorate further each day. There is no fecking glee in all the death and destruction incurred by the inept, intellectually challenged, narrow minded, stubborn ( do it my way rigid fogies in washington.

With all the natural disasters and bush made disasters.........there is hardly room for ANY glee.........at the moment. One tragedy after another.

How self centred (as per usual) of the US to even think ......the world is tut tutting at its dismal failures now. No one wanted this.....................except that moron that still occupies the white house.

( I wouldn't put it past the sleazeball to try to "get off " on a psycho.)

factors that come to mind........

Stop interfereing where you don't belong.

Stop your fecking warring on this planet.....and do a role change into peace and peaceful engendering actions/decisions.

Start making amends for all the destruction the US has caused ......physical/ emotional/ psychological.......relationship wise etc. It will take time......as no one trusts the US now. deal with the US??? sure, why not?? TRUST the US??? not a snow balls chance in those pesky fires that some believe in.
 

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"How self centred (as per usual) of the US to even think ......the world is tut tutting at its dismal failures now. " ---- Ocean Breeze.


You mean the critics are uncomfortable ?

You could have fooled me that there is unbridled joy at every American mess. It's that palpable. Can't say we haven't worked at earning that response.

The excuses the world has for not only rebuilding Iraq but refusing to help border control to stop the funding of the terrorism is the same excuse the world has for never putting a big foot forward for Palestine infrastructure and jobs.

It's the same excuse the world has for not stopping the slow genocide in Dafur of Sudan.

It's the same excuse Europe had for not stopping the slaughter in their own backyard for years in the Balkans.

The world is comfortable in its critics' chair.
 

Ocean Breeze

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You mean the critics are uncomfortable

of course not. They are just not filled with sadistic glee. ( at least that is the impession one gets from the more seasoned. mature lot)

If anyone is and should be "uncomfortable" .......it is the USR and it
s shallow worshippers. They hold the spotlight now.....and yes, the world is definately WATCHING. (and TALKING ) and assessing .
 

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Then you get off your fat ass and go over to iraq and take the place of one of those "boys" that might like to come home. Nah, you'll just come here and defend you loathesome government until the other half of the american people kick his lil chimp ass to the curb.
 

Ocean Breeze

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jimmoyer said:
..and doing nothing.
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ah........and that is the catch, isn't it???

Wisdom indicates that there are many times in life........when "doing nothing" is exactly what is called for......as by doing "Something" one only fosters a situation/ (reinforces a situation)

the last thing the world needs right now is for the "world" to do "something". It would only aggravate the sensitivities of the situation even more. Soft touch, easy handling, don't add fuel to the fire.

(something amerikans fail completely to comprehend-- as all they know /understand is AGGRESSION) Having remained locked in a time warp of the wild wild west....
 

Ocean Breeze

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until the other half of the american people kick his lil chimp ass to the curb.


peapod...........can't you just hear the world rejoicing when THAT happens. ??? THAT will be a moment for glee.------
 

Ocean Breeze

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jimmoyer said:
Clever and convenient argument.

But do you really believe not building infrastructure and jobs in Palestine maintains your argument any?

Or in Iraq?

Or stopping the Dafur slow burn?

It never pays to underestimate a population's resources, determination.......if they are left to their own devices . People........individual and nations never cease to amaze... if not interfered with. from the outside.
 

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Yes it will be! considering the thousands of women and childern who have died and suffered under lil chimp. You neocons are all the same, you gleefully enjoy the suffering of others, so natch you presume others are afflicted with the same mental illness.

Your government has no right to impose its "so called values" on any other nation! especially since its all smoke and mirrors! your government went to iraq to steal!!!! its natural resources! All the people that have died because of lil chimp and cohorts greed.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Your government has no right to impose its "so called values" on any other nation! especially since its all smoke and mirrors!


INDEED. ............and furthermore...... the hypocracy of trying to sell the "democracy"/"freedom" line to the sheeple while eroding the very principles of same.

If the US system is a free & democratic ............as it stands now..who on earth would want it??? and here they are shoving this down other nation's throats at the end of gun points. (oh and torture too) Sheer idiocy ......and primitive conduct in this time and era.

the problem is that getting rid of bush might not be any more effective than "getting OBL".......(remember him ----- the worlds most wanted and all that western jive talk ??? You can cut off the head of a malignancy , but the disease may have metastasized too far..... (not a pleasant thought)
 

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RE: lil chimp and inept c

Let's, since Jimmy is sitting in his chair accusing us of doing nothing, have a look at Iraq and Darfur.

Why won't the world help in Iraq? Well the US has made things so bad there that it isn't safe and, more than that, other nations are afraid to help lest they be seen to be colluding with the United States.

If the US would offer to pull out and fund, with no strings attached, UN troops to go in and get Iraq back on the right track, there would be a positive response. The funding could be considered war reparations for acting outside of international law. The US won't do that though becasue to do so would be to give up access to Iraqi oil.

Now let's take a look at Darfur. What has been the single largest block to getting the international community to act? The USA's insistence that the ICC cannot be given any jurisdiction, especially if it involves Americans or American interests working in the region.

The US has also consistently opposed any attempt to weaken the power of permanent members of the Security Council, which allows not only the US, but China to oppose any effective measures of stopping the genocide and bringing those responsible to justice.

Quit blaming the rest of the world, Jimmy. Your country is keeping the rest of the world from acting.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Quit blaming the rest of the world, Jimmy. Your country is keeping the rest of the world from acting.


Hear , hear !!....

Face it jimmy.......the US is a major OBSTRUCTIONIST. Unless it is something the US wants...... then it bribes others into going along with it.

It is all about the C word. (Control)
 

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Ocean Breeze said:
Nearly $100 million in reconstruction money is unaccounted for.

Here's another one for ya Breezy

Iraq has issued arrest warrants against the defense minister and 27 other officials from the U.S.-backed government of former Prime Minister Iyad Allawi over the alleged disappearance or misappropriation of $1 billion in military procurement funds, officials said Monday.

Huh...8O

A US backed government is found to be corrupt???

What are the chances???
 

Ocean Breeze

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I wonder how the neocons will answer that one? They probabley won't. "W" and his cronies will spin it and it will never see the light of day on american news.

ya know.......I have been reading about that tidbit online for a while and NOT a word of it has made it to the airheads that are supposed to report the news ......um live.

pick any of the usual neocon tactics to deal with this one........but one can be sure of ONE thing......It will be a fantasy story at it's spinning finest. ( might be an idea to carry gravol on ones person........just to stay ahead of the nausea....;-)
 

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Report Says White House Ignored C.I.A. on Iraq Chaos
by Douglas Jehl

WASHINGTON, Oct. 12 - A review by former intelligence officers has concluded that the Bush administration "apparently paid little or no attention" to prewar assessments by the Central Intelligence Agency that warned of major cultural and political obstacles to stability in postwar Iraq.

The unclassified report was completed in July 2004. It appeared publicly for the first time this week in Studies in Intelligence, a quarterly journal, and was first reported Wednesday in USA Today. The journal is published by the Center for the Study of Intelligence, which is part of the C.I.A. but operates independently.

The review was conducted by a team led by Richard J. Kerr, a former deputy director of central intelligence, working under contract for the C.I.A. It acknowledged the deep failures in the agency's prewar assessments of Iraq's weapons programs but said "the analysis was right" on cultural and political issues related to postwar Iraq.

Mr. Kerr's review did not describe those findings in detail. But The New York Times first reported last year that two classified reports prepared for President Bush in January 2003 had predicted that an American-led invasion of Iraq would increase support for political Islam and would result in a deeply divided Iraqi society prone to violent internal conflict.

Those reports were by the National Intelligence Council, the highlevel group responsible for producing the government's most authoritative intelligence assessments.

Since the invasion of Iraq in March 2003, the C.I.A. and other intelligence agencies have been notably more gloomy than the White House and the Pentagon about prospects for stability in Iraq. In the summer of 2004, newspaper articles about those reports so angered some Republicans that they accused the agency of trying to undermine President Bush.

The role played by prewar intelligence on postwar Iraq has not yet been the subject of a comprehensive independent review.

The Senate Intelligence Committee was to have addressed the issue as part of a second phase of its inquiry that began with a study of the intelligence on Iraq's weapons program. But the Republican-led committee has shown no sign of producing a report, prompting complaints from Senator John D. Rockefeller IV of West Virginia and other Democrats.

A White House spokesman, Frederick Jones, disputed any suggestion that the administration had fallen short in its postwar planning. "Our position is that we did plan adequately for the postwar period," Mr. Jones said. The C.I.A. declined to comment, and Mr. Kerr did not respond to an e-mail message.

A former senior intelligence official said Mr. Kerr's conclusions were "broadly correct." Still, the former official said, "some in the policy-making world would probably deny that these points were brought forcefully to their attention."

The review was one of three conducted by Mr. Kerr and his team, but it is the only one that was unclassified. It described as "seriously flawed, misleading and even wrong" most of the conclusions reached by the C.I.A. before the invasion of Iraq about President Saddam Hussein's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs.

But Mr. Kerr offered praise for prewar intelligence reports on issues other than Iraq's weapons programs, saying that they "accurately addressed such topics as how the war would develop and how Iraqi forces would or would not fight."

Mr. Kerr also praised what he called perceptive analysis by intelligence agencies on the issue of ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda, a subject on which the agency clashed with the White House by concluding that there were no substantive links.

Mr. Kerr said the agency had also accurately "calculated the impact of the war on oil markets" and "accurately forecast the reactions of the ethnic and tribal factions in Iraq."

He credited what he called "strong regional and country expertise developed over time" within American intelligence agencies, as opposed to what he said had been heavy reliance on "technical analysis" for what proved to be misleading or inaccurate information about Iraq's weapons programs.
 

jimmoyer

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Reverend Blair insists that the US is blocking efforts to help Dafur from slow genocide ?

Give me a break.

If you research and examine further, there is nobody stopping German or French or Canadian troops from settling in Dafur.

The ICC is not the only agency. But it is convenient for the righteous intellectual world to use such a pretext without examining the details.

Japan could go in there. China could.

Too much self-satisfied convenient feel-good reasoning.

Remember the big contingent of 200 Canadian soldiers going over there? Who stopped them?

The world herd instinct is so palpable on beating up on their favorite scarecrow that the world no longer questions its own self-satisfied overreactions.

Amerika is quite wrong in so many ways, but it is so much more acquainted with its own hypocrisy than is the world of its own hypocrisy or of its own fallacious reasonings or of its own over-reactions.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: lil chimp and inept c

Don't try to weasel out of this, Jimmy. The African Union is there right now. Canadian forces and equipment they were supplying to AU soldiers was blocked by Sudan because it wasn't part of an UN initiative. That initiative didn't exist because your war criminal president is afraid that the ICC might put his sorry ass in jail one day.