Lifestyle Marriages

[Vanni Fucci]

You know what is not enough....the fact that people don't give a rats ass that this has been going on to those childern for years.

Not true Pea...I, as a people, er...person, care very deeply about the suffering of others...especially children...

Perhaps some action with the intent of increasing public awareness of the issue is in order? Until you posted that article, I had no idea there were polygamist communes operating in Canada...I always thought that was a problem restricted to Utah and Arkansas...

There needs to be periodic raids and arrest and seizures...

Shut them all down, I say...

 

[Vanni Fucci]

You know what is not enough....the fact that people don't give a rats ass that this has been going on to those childern for years.

Not true Pea...I, as a people, er...person, care very deeply about the suffering of others...especially children...

Perhaps some action with the intent of increasing public awareness of the issue is in order? Until you posted that article, I had no idea there were polygamist communes operating in Canada...I always thought that was a problem restricted to Utah and Arkansas...

There needs to be periodic raids and arrest and seizures...

Shut them all down, I say...

 

[Reverend Blair]

Again though...specific legislation would encourage that.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Again though...specific legislation would encourage that.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Again though...specific legislation would encourage that.

 

[tibear]

I think we all agree that any marriage where someone is forced to marry is wrong. Same thing with adults having a sexual relationship with children.

The question is at what point does a relationship change from a paedophile to a "normal" relationship??

Is it strictly the age of the youngest member or some other criteria. What is the appropriate age? Teenagers as young as 14 are able to decide they can have sex in Canada. Is it appropriate for a 14 year old to be with a 60 year old??

As I've said everyone agrees on the abuse and manipulation marriages, it is the other less black&white situations that are the more interesting to discuss.

 

[tibear]

I think we all agree that any marriage where someone is forced to marry is wrong. Same thing with adults having a sexual relationship with children.

The question is at what point does a relationship change from a paedophile to a "normal" relationship??

Is it strictly the age of the youngest member or some other criteria. What is the appropriate age? Teenagers as young as 14 are able to decide they can have sex in Canada. Is it appropriate for a 14 year old to be with a 60 year old??

As I've said everyone agrees on the abuse and manipulation marriages, it is the other less black&white situations that are the more interesting to discuss.

 

[tibear]

I think we all agree that any marriage where someone is forced to marry is wrong. Same thing with adults having a sexual relationship with children.

The question is at what point does a relationship change from a paedophile to a "normal" relationship??

Is it strictly the age of the youngest member or some other criteria. What is the appropriate age? Teenagers as young as 14 are able to decide they can have sex in Canada. Is it appropriate for a 14 year old to be with a 60 year old??

As I've said everyone agrees on the abuse and manipulation marriages, it is the other less black&white situations that are the more interesting to discuss.

 

[tibear]

Reverend, I'm asked you this question before without reply. Why are you against adult incest generating children?

As I've pointed out earlier, there are other individuals who have a much higher probability of passing on serious health issue onto their children. People with MS or Lou Geurigs(sp) disease and many others have upwards of 50% chance of passing on their maladies to their offspring.

If your worried about the health of the children generated from a relationship shouldn't these other relationships also be targeted??

 

[tibear]

Reverend, I'm asked you this question before without reply. Why are you against adult incest generating children?

As I've pointed out earlier, there are other individuals who have a much higher probability of passing on serious health issue onto their children. People with MS or Lou Geurigs(sp) disease and many others have upwards of 50% chance of passing on their maladies to their offspring.

If your worried about the health of the children generated from a relationship shouldn't these other relationships also be targeted??

 

[tibear]

Reverend, I'm asked you this question before without reply. Why are you against adult incest generating children?

As I've pointed out earlier, there are other individuals who have a much higher probability of passing on serious health issue onto their children. People with MS or Lou Geurigs(sp) disease and many others have upwards of 50% chance of passing on their maladies to their offspring.

If your worried about the health of the children generated from a relationship shouldn't these other relationships also be targeted??

 

[Reverend Blair]

The question is at what point does a relationship change from a paedophile to a "normal" relationship??

When the youngest person in the relationshp reaches the age of consent.

Is fourteen too young? Not really. The parts are all ready to go. Is fourteen too young for a sixty year old? In 99.9% of cases. Those cases are almost always forced or coercive though. The problem with enacting a law making fourteen to young is that it can put a girl's sixteen year old boyfriend at risk of being charged.

Reverend, I'm asked you this question before without reply. Why are you against adult incest generating children?

Basic animal husbandry, tibear. Close breeding causes genetic defects. Over generations it builds.

If your worried about the health of the children generated from a relationship shouldn't these other relationships also be targeted??

In the case of Lou Gehrig's disease the children are almost always born before the person is aware they have the disease. Same with Huntington's. The risk also lessens instead of increasing over generations.

I would advise against people with these diseases having children, but I would not make it illegal.

 

[Reverend Blair]

The question is at what point does a relationship change from a paedophile to a "normal" relationship??

When the youngest person in the relationshp reaches the age of consent.

Is fourteen too young? Not really. The parts are all ready to go. Is fourteen too young for a sixty year old? In 99.9% of cases. Those cases are almost always forced or coercive though. The problem with enacting a law making fourteen to young is that it can put a girl's sixteen year old boyfriend at risk of being charged.

Reverend, I'm asked you this question before without reply. Why are you against adult incest generating children?

Basic animal husbandry, tibear. Close breeding causes genetic defects. Over generations it builds.

If your worried about the health of the children generated from a relationship shouldn't these other relationships also be targeted??

In the case of Lou Gehrig's disease the children are almost always born before the person is aware they have the disease. Same with Huntington's. The risk also lessens instead of increasing over generations.

I would advise against people with these diseases having children, but I would not make it illegal.

 

[Reverend Blair]

The question is at what point does a relationship change from a paedophile to a "normal" relationship??

When the youngest person in the relationshp reaches the age of consent.

Is fourteen too young? Not really. The parts are all ready to go. Is fourteen too young for a sixty year old? In 99.9% of cases. Those cases are almost always forced or coercive though. The problem with enacting a law making fourteen to young is that it can put a girl's sixteen year old boyfriend at risk of being charged.

Reverend, I'm asked you this question before without reply. Why are you against adult incest generating children?

Basic animal husbandry, tibear. Close breeding causes genetic defects. Over generations it builds.

If your worried about the health of the children generated from a relationship shouldn't these other relationships also be targeted??

In the case of Lou Gehrig's disease the children are almost always born before the person is aware they have the disease. Same with Huntington's. The risk also lessens instead of increasing over generations.

I would advise against people with these diseases having children, but I would not make it illegal.

 

[tibear]

Reverend,

Let me get this straight. You are OK with adult incest as long as they don't have children, even though the chances of the offspring having health related issues is extremely low and the chances of multiple generations of incest is even more remote.

However, with other people that have diseases that have very high probability of being passed onto offspring you would only advise them not to have children.

Doesn't that seem a little backwards? Wouldn't you think that the higher the probability of offspring health issues the less likely the relationships should be permitted to have children??

As well, even you admit that not all cases of paedophelia involve control. Shouldn't this couple be able to have their relationship recognized?? And if so, remembering back to days in Theology class, I remember the professor repeating over and over that you cannot partially open the door to various situations. The door is either open or shut.

There seems to be alot of talk in this forum that paedophelia, incest and polygamy are almost exlusively control relationships where one person has coerced the other into a sexual relationships. Are you honestly going to tell me that most teenage sexual relationships are ones where one of the pair(usually the male) hasn't coerced the other into having sex. In most situations, the girl isn't sure if they are ready but the boy is constantly pressuring her until she finally gives in. Shouldn't this be lumped into the paedophelia, incest and polygamy group, or do we simply shrug our shoulders and say their kids and thats what they do! If that is indeed the case, how is this different than the other groups??

 

[tibear]

Reverend,

Let me get this straight. You are OK with adult incest as long as they don't have children, even though the chances of the offspring having health related issues is extremely low and the chances of multiple generations of incest is even more remote.

However, with other people that have diseases that have very high probability of being passed onto offspring you would only advise them not to have children.

Doesn't that seem a little backwards? Wouldn't you think that the higher the probability of offspring health issues the less likely the relationships should be permitted to have children??

As well, even you admit that not all cases of paedophelia involve control. Shouldn't this couple be able to have their relationship recognized?? And if so, remembering back to days in Theology class, I remember the professor repeating over and over that you cannot partially open the door to various situations. The door is either open or shut.

There seems to be alot of talk in this forum that paedophelia, incest and polygamy are almost exlusively control relationships where one person has coerced the other into a sexual relationships. Are you honestly going to tell me that most teenage sexual relationships are ones where one of the pair(usually the male) hasn't coerced the other into having sex. In most situations, the girl isn't sure if they are ready but the boy is constantly pressuring her until she finally gives in. Shouldn't this be lumped into the paedophelia, incest and polygamy group, or do we simply shrug our shoulders and say their kids and thats what they do! If that is indeed the case, how is this different than the other groups??

 

[tibear]

Reverend,

Let me get this straight. You are OK with adult incest as long as they don't have children, even though the chances of the offspring having health related issues is extremely low and the chances of multiple generations of incest is even more remote.

However, with other people that have diseases that have very high probability of being passed onto offspring you would only advise them not to have children.

Doesn't that seem a little backwards? Wouldn't you think that the higher the probability of offspring health issues the less likely the relationships should be permitted to have children??

As well, even you admit that not all cases of paedophelia involve control. Shouldn't this couple be able to have their relationship recognized?? And if so, remembering back to days in Theology class, I remember the professor repeating over and over that you cannot partially open the door to various situations. The door is either open or shut.

There seems to be alot of talk in this forum that paedophelia, incest and polygamy are almost exlusively control relationships where one person has coerced the other into a sexual relationships. Are you honestly going to tell me that most teenage sexual relationships are ones where one of the pair(usually the male) hasn't coerced the other into having sex. In most situations, the girl isn't sure if they are ready but the boy is constantly pressuring her until she finally gives in. Shouldn't this be lumped into the paedophelia, incest and polygamy group, or do we simply shrug our shoulders and say their kids and thats what they do! If that is indeed the case, how is this different than the other groups??

 

[Reverend Blair]

You never took my reasoning into account at all tibear. The incidence of genetic diseases lessens with each generation. There is also evidence that incestuous relationships tend to multi-generational...it becomes the norm in a family and is therefore more common. That does give it a chance to build.

Something I didn't mention is that non-disease and non-deformity problems tend to be much more common in cases of offspring of incestuous relationships. Things like bad teeth, weakened immune systems, close-set eyes etc. become more and more common with each generation. Although these wouldn't be characterized as diseases or deformities they are very real.

Read a book on animal husbandry, tibear. Maybe join 4-H for a few years.

 

[Reverend Blair]

You never took my reasoning into account at all tibear. The incidence of genetic diseases lessens with each generation. There is also evidence that incestuous relationships tend to multi-generational...it becomes the norm in a family and is therefore more common. That does give it a chance to build.

Something I didn't mention is that non-disease and non-deformity problems tend to be much more common in cases of offspring of incestuous relationships. Things like bad teeth, weakened immune systems, close-set eyes etc. become more and more common with each generation. Although these wouldn't be characterized as diseases or deformities they are very real.

Read a book on animal husbandry, tibear. Maybe join 4-H for a few years.

 

[Reverend Blair]

You never took my reasoning into account at all tibear. The incidence of genetic diseases lessens with each generation. There is also evidence that incestuous relationships tend to multi-generational...it becomes the norm in a family and is therefore more common. That does give it a chance to build.

Something I didn't mention is that non-disease and non-deformity problems tend to be much more common in cases of offspring of incestuous relationships. Things like bad teeth, weakened immune systems, close-set eyes etc. become more and more common with each generation. Although these wouldn't be characterized as diseases or deformities they are very real.

Read a book on animal husbandry, tibear. Maybe join 4-H for a few years.