Lifeguard fights for right to wear hijab swimsuit

s_lone

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One is religious, the other is related to a sport. Our culture was raised to accept we remove hats while indoors, or at least in school..... a Hijab is a part of their culture... religious culture at that, and if it doesn't hurt anybody, I don't see why it should have been an issue in the first place, except for the purpose of assemilation.

But to what extent can cultural and religious issues be used to go against the rules and priciples of a society or establishment?

There was a controversy at the exact same YMCA a while ago because a group of hasidic Jews demanded the YMCA to veil their windows because you could see women working out inside... This to me is downright ridiculous... (What do you think?)

And what's your point with the article about veiled women being allowed to vote? If you're gonna vote, expect to show your face so you can be recognized... what's the big deal. You don't wanna show your face? then don't vote.
 

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The ladies who cover up from head to toe ,and most of their face,are just too lazy to shave their legs and mustaches.The Gillette Co. could make a fortune over in the Arabic countries, if they did some innovative advertising. Most of these Islamic Laws date from 500 AD[and that was when they made sense]
 

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I don't get all this multiculturalism ... I really don't.

All of these discussions on the burqua, headwear ...etc could be eliminated if we put our heads straight and undo the mess that we created by allowing multiculturalism. Newcomers here need to assimilate. I mean who wants to live in a society full of ghettos based on the different cultures. You would never see this bathing suit scenario in the U.S. since they do not have a multiculturalism policy, but rather a long standing melting pot approach where you adopt the culture of the land that adopts you.

We should be promoting Canada as a country with a diverse multiethnic population and a Canadian culture.
 

Praxius

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"We want them to understand our history and our culture, the extent to which we believe in mateship and giving another person a fair go, and basically if people don't want to support and accept and adopt and teach Australian values then, they should clear off."

^ Does this include accepting the majority religion as well?

Church / State.
 

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But to what extent can cultural and religious issues be used to go against the rules and priciples of a society or establishment?

How does wearing a Hijab break the rules of society or the establishment? It's not a bomb.

There was a controversy at the exact same YMCA a while ago because a group of hasidic Jews demanded the YMCA to veil their windows because you could see women working out inside... This to me is downright ridiculous... (What do you think?)

I do remember that situation, and the Jewish community in this situation is wrong..... but that isn't the same situation as someone personally wanting to wear their Hijab.

Jews are permitted to wear their little caps (I'm currently ignorant on the correct terminology) in most places, and even on their jobs.... what's the difference with the Hijab?

And what's your point with the article about veiled women being allowed to vote? If you're gonna vote, expect to show your face so you can be recognized... what's the big deal. You don't wanna show your face? then don't vote.

You're face is irrelevent when voting. People can now vote on the internet these days, and don't even need to show their faces to anybody. So long as you have photo ID and all your paperwork with you, why dispute who you are, just because you can't see someone's face? Honestly, I don't remember hearing about a rampant crime spree where there's a bunch of people stealing people's identity to vote.

You register, you go in, you show your ID, you vote.... it's done..... I don't see the big deal.
 

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"We want them to understand our history and our culture, the extent to which we believe in mateship and giving another person a fair go, and basically if people don't want to support and accept and adopt and teach Australian values then, they should clear off."

^ Does this include accepting the majority religion as well?

Church / State.

Nope i dont think he mentioned anything about religion ...his point being either except the history and our culture, the extent to which we believe in or clear off.
That's pretty simple, if you go to another country you should abide by the laws set down by said country, not try and impose your religious beliefs, or intolerances on others , why should laws be changed just for one, if they want to live in a democracy then they should behave as the people of that democracy, could you go to there country and behave in a western fashion simple answer is no, you cant ,so why do we have to put up with their constant bickering about how we live in our cultures ,and having to change our laws to suit there religion ...?
If the muslim 's presently residing in this country want Sharia law then go and live in a country that has it
 

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There are nearly 1.6 million Muslims in Britain, representing 2.7 per cent of the total population. Sharia courts do exist, but they have no legal standing and their decisions are not binding.
Dr Williams said: “It seems unavoidable and, as a matter of fact, certain conditions of Sharia are already recognised in our society.”
However, a spokesman for the Prime Minister said that British law must be based on British values. “Sharia cannot be used as a justification for committing breaches of English law, nor should the principles of Sharia be included in a civil court for resolving contractual disputes,” he said.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article3328024.ece
 

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This is what happens if you break their laws and rightly so ,so if this is how we are to be treated then i feel that we also should stick to the laws that we already have in place ,i must admit this is a piss poor example but they are facing 6years in prison + she did attack the copper who told her not once but twice..???
Sex-on-the-beach Briton's grovelling apology to Dubai ... but he still faces 6 years in jail


By Dan Newling
Last updated at 8:55 AM on 15th July 2008
The British businessman facing six years in prison for having sex on a Dubai beach has appealed to the authorities for leniency in a grovelling public apology.
In a letter addressed to the people of Dubai, Vince Acors said he was "humbled and humiliated" by his actions and claimed he felt "honest and abject remorse".
Although he concedes that he was very drunk and acted offensively, he denied the most serious accusation of having penetrative sex with a woman he is not married to.
The Daily Mail can reveal that the truth of this claim will be established later this week by an internal test on DNA taken from Michelle Palmer, 36.
A Dubai police source said: "In order for the charge of extra-marital sex to be brought, we need to know for sure whether there was sperm inside her and whose it is."
So sorry: Vince Acors wrote a letter of apology to the people of Dubai
Mr Acors, 34, first met Miss Palmer, a saleswaoman, at an all-you-can-drink brunch party on Friday 4th July. Ten hours later they were caught, semi-naked, on the city's Jumeirah beach.
When police tried to arrest the couple a drunken Miss Palmer -- who has lived in Dubai for three years -- launched a bitter tirade at the arresting officer, shouting: "You can't arrest me. I'll sue you."
The pair have been released on bail, but have surrendered their passports. They could face trial before the end of next week.
Yesterday (MON), in an apparent attempt to gain the court's favour -- as well as earn public sympathy -- Mr Acors gave a local paper a thorough written apology.
He wrote: "I have been accused of engaging in indecent relations in a public place which I deny, although I readily admit that my conduct and behaviour was inappropriate and beyond the bounds of acceptability.
Caught out: Michelle Palmer and a friend attend a social function in Dubai
"Having drunk more than I should during the course of day, a friendly encounter with a female acquaintance became overly affectionate at a time and place when we both should have known better.
"I am deeply ashamed of my actions and the offence and trouble they have caused."
The father-of-one from Bromley in Kent goes on to claim that he is "hard working" and said that his conduct was "totally out of character"
Under Dubai law, the courts can take into account a defendant's remorse during sentencing. No doubt aware of this, Mr Acors ends with a verbose statement of contrition.
He writes: "Since being in Dubai I have been welcomed and treated with great warmth and hospitality by the people of this city.
"I have sadly betrayed that generosity shown to me, but I sincerely hope that this statement will show my honest and abject remorse and genuine condition regarding my conduct.
"My apology to the people of Dubai is both profound and solemn."
Yesterday a Dubai lawyer - who would not be named due to the a legal ban on commenting on impending court cases - said the move could work to Mr Acors' advantage.
He said: "It's a very blunt tactic, but it may help. The fact that he does not attempt to justify his actions may go down well with the judge."
Dubai's prosecution service will decide later this week whether - and with what - the pair will be charged.
The state's chief of police has said that he is confident Miss Palmer, from Oakham in Rutland, will be charged with assaulting a police officer, being drunk in public and having unmarried sex .
Miss Palmer and Mr Acors are unlikely to contest the drunk in public charge as blood tests have revealed that Mr Acors had 149 mg alcohol per 100 ml of his blood and Miss Palmer had 127 mg of alcohol per 100 ml of blood.
Both blood alcohol readings are more than the British drink-drive limit of 80 milligrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood. They clearly breach Dubai's ban having any alcohol in public places.
The Dubai authorities claim to have clamped down on lewd behaviour in the light on international interest in the sex-on-the-beach case.
Yesterday they said that security guards will in future patrol the oil-rich emirate's beaches and that 24-hour floodlights will be used to catch people "in flagrante". Seventy-nine foreigners have been caught in the last fortnight, none of them British, police said.
Abdullah Mohammed Rafa, assistant director general for public affairs the Dubai municipality, said: "These new personnel have been deployed, especially at the Jumeirah open beach, because of the incident that happened there last week."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...velling-apology-Dubai---faces-years-jail.html
 

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Briton jailed for four years in Dubai after customs find cannabis weighing less than a grain of sugar under his shoe
08/02/2008 10:23:45
A father-of-three who was found with a microscopic speck of cannabis stuck to the bottom of one of his shoes has been sentenced to four years in a Dubai prison. Keith Brown, a council youth development officer, was travelling through the United Arab Emirates on his way back to England when he was stopped as he walked through Dubai's main airport

more of their laws so if this is the case then i think we should not allow their interfering in the ways of the west and like the Australian PM said accept values or 'clear off'