Life after death

Scott Free

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When Jesus - peace be on him - wrought the miracles given to him by God Almighty (like the miracles of many other prophets); what did they say to him? They said to him: "You only have wrought these miracles (specially the expelling of demons from some possessed persons); you have done this by the aid of Beelzebub the chief of devils or demons!"

What did he answer them: "It can't be that the Devil will fight his own kingdom; because he wants to fortify it not to weaken it by expelling demons out of the possessed."

This is in the Quran
26: 210-213
وَمَا تَنَزَّلَتْ بِهِ الشَّيَاطِينُ . وَمَا يَنبَغِي لَهُمْ وَمَا يَسْتَطِيعُونَ . إِنَّهُمْ عَنِ السَّمْعِ لَمَعْزُولُونَ .فَلَا تَدْعُ مَعَ اللَّهِ إِلَهًا آخَرَ فَتَكُونَ مِنَ الْمُعَذَّبِينَ
The explanation:
(The devils have not brought it down.

It is not meet for them, nor is it in their power.

Truly, they are banished from the hearing.

Therefore invoke not, [together] with God, another god, lest you [Mohammed] be one of the doomed.)
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The reason for this is that Satan and devils want to establish the idolatry not the monotheism; so how comes it that they bring a Quran against the idolatry, and invite people to worship God alone, when their plan is against God?

This explanation only works if you assume it's not coming from a devil. You still have no proof it is coming from an angel and not a devil.
 

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My thoughts exactly. Don't expect sense from this guy, but if I may presume to offer some advice, try to cut him a little slack. His posts are comprehensible only when he's citing someone else (often without attribution), he doesn't know English well enough to speak for himself in English, though I presume he understands it well enough to comprehend the stuff he cites. Reading and writing are very different skills. I can read French, most of the time, but I can't write it to save my life. Give him points for trying, and work at it a bit, his meaning sometimes comes clear with a little thought.
 

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This explanation only works if you assume it's not coming from a devil. You still have no proof it is coming from an angel and not a devil.

If If If he was coming from devil

why is the devil he ordain muslims to kills conjurers ( the dealing with the devil ) ?

why not better the devils he ordain to muslims save the conjurers and boosting from level

they life ?

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Sahih International: Say, "If mankind and the jinn gathered in order to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like of it, even if they were to each other assistants."

If you know conjurers you are ask them to produce one page like the quran In arabic I will leave Islam
 
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Scott Free

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Sahih International: Say, "If mankind and the jinn gathered in order to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like of it, even if they were to each other assistants."

Of coarse they would say that. What else would be expected?

If you know conjurers you are ask them to produce one page like the quran In arabic I will leave Islam

Sure, here you go: a sorcerer's scribbles.

Just as good. Even better since he actually wrote it. He wrote in Persian and Arabic and was trained in neither! Explain that?

Don't mistake me. I think this prick is just as big an asshole as your Muhammad (except he wasn't a paedophile).

You asked for proof your Qur'an is the work of man - there it is - unless you're going to say this guy is from god too :roll:
 

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Of coarse they would say that. What else would be expected?

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Sahih International: Say,( muhamad ) "If mankind and the jinn gathered in order to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like of it, even if they were to each other assistants."



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Just as good. Even better since he actually wrote it. He wrote in Persian and Arabic and was trained in neither! Explain that?

Muslims have something that offers the clearest proof of all - The Holy Quran. There is no other book like it anywhere on earth. It is absolutely perfect in the Arabic language. It has no mistakes in grammar, meanings or context. The scientific evidences are well known around the entire world, even amongst non-Muslim scholars. Predictions in the Quran have come true; and its teachings are clearly for all people, all places and all times.

Surprisingly enough, the Quran itself provides us with the test of authenticity and offers challenges against itself to prove its veracity. Allah tells us in the Quran:
Haven't the unbelievers considered if this was from other than Allah, they would find within it many contradictions?
Another amazing challenge from Allah's Book:
If you are in doubt about it, bring a book like it.
And Allah challenges us with:
Bring ten chapters like it.
And finally:
Bring one chapter like it.
No one has been able to produce a book like it, nor ten chapters like it, nor even one chapter like it. It was memorized by thousands of people during the lifetime of Muhammad, peace be upon him, and then this memorization was passed down from teacher to student for generation after generation, from mouth to ear and from one nation to another. Today every single Muslim has memorized some part of the Quran in the original Arabic language that it was revealed in over 1,400 years ago, even though most of them are not Arabs. There are over nine million (9,000,000) Muslims living on the earth today who have totally memorized the entire Quran, word for word, and can recite the entire Quran, in Arabic just as Muhammad, peace be upon him, did 14 centuries ago.

God Allah - Can We Prove Quran is from God?


Don't mistake me. I think this prick is just as big an asshole as your Muhammad (except he wasn't a paedophile).

WHAT YOUR PROBLEM ? YOU ARE ... ?

You asked for proof your Qur'an is the work of man - there it is - unless you're going to say this guy is from god too :roll:

the paper not from god the speaking manner from the god and THE WORDS AND THE WEIGHT AND DESIGN AND MEANING FROM THE GOD

( It was memorized by thousands of people during the lifetime of Muhammad )

and in istanbul the quran what wrote it Othman bin Afan WHEN HE LIVED HE WAS WITH MUHMAD
 
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Scott Free

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THIS page blocked in my country

Sure. Uh huh.


WHAT YOUR PROBLEM ? YOU ARE ... ?

I know Muhammad was a lunatic and you don't. So I think you're the one with a problem. :lol:

the paper not from god the speaking manner from the god and THE WORDS AND THE WEIGHT AND DESIGN AND MEANING FROM THE GOD

( It was memorized by thousands of people during the lifetime of Muhammad )

and in istanbul the quran what wrote it Othman bin Afan WHEN HE LIVED HE WAS WITH MUHMAD

I know the history of the Qur'an.

The history means nothing. Your claim it is perfect is no different than a Christian's claim the Bible is perfect.
 

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You will always see proof for what you want to believe. Once you believe that belief will have power over you. But neither your desire or the power you think it has, means the original thing you believed in is true.

YouTube - Derren Brown "voodoo"
 
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Who Authored the Quran?

Some very revealing insights...

[SIZE=+2]Conclusion[/SIZE] The Holy Qur’an is not authored by almighty Allah. Allah, if He ever existed, must be busy with many other important matters. He has no time to write an incoherent, ambiguous, repetitive, erroneous scripture to guide mankind. A few ambitious and opportunistic persons, in the name of Allah gathered together under the tutelage of Muhammad to construct the Qur’an by adapting, amending and outright plagiarizing other scriptures and heresy of the time. This they did to advance and perpetuate their political ambition to dominate the then Arabian peninsula, and later, many other peaceful countries. Qur’an is the handiwork of a few cunning persons—an attempt to fool the gullible world—a deliberate effort to impose Arab superiority. All Muslims must learn the Arabic language to be able to recite the Qur’an and to offer prayers, adopt Arabic names and conform to Islamic (read Bedouin Arab) culture. This is naked Arab imperialism in the guise of propagating the message of the ‘Holy Qur’an’. Any Islamic Paradise will confirm to what I have written just now. When the undeniable truth about the authorship of the Qur’an and its hidden scheme is clearly understood, this Arab imperialism by the stealth stands out to be the main agenda of the Qur’an.
 

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All evidence shows that you're clearly on your own anyway - prayer does not change the odds of your recovering or not. Prayer plays absolutely no role. That is clearly demonstrated.

In fact, you're better off playing video games. According to one study video games do improve your odds of recovery.

Your gods name isn't Mario is it? It should be; he is the better god.

Perhaps you got the letters switched around and meant dog not god? Another study has demonstrated clearly that pets help people recover. Maybe you should worship dog?

I can only tell you it works by my own experiences. If it worked for me every time why would I not believe, rely and trust in it?

Peace>>>AJ
 

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Who Authored the Quran?

Some very revealing insights...

These are merely some lies without any evidence. The ayat of the Quran are incomparable to any other fabricated poetry.

It means they fabricate some poetry (and attribute such poetry to some ancient poets and some other Christians and others) and they insert some phrases or words of the Quran in this poetry, then say: look the Quran has derived its words from those poets.

But if you examine it carefully, you will discover their fabricated arrangement. And what a great difference between their fabricated poetry which has no coherent relation in the meaning and the excellent wisdom and implications of the ayat of the Glorious Quran.

The obvious example is the alleged poem of Imrul Qais.

And they collected some names of some poets and influential men, then said such men cooperated with Mohammed to bring about the Quran! What's their evidence for such claim?

I surprise from their daring to transgress on God Almighty and His Quran; they are very foolish indeed.

God – be glorified – said in the Quran 25: 4-6 about their claim:

وَقَالَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا إِنْ هَذَا إِلَّا إِفْكٌ افْتَرَاهُ وَأَعَانَهُ عَلَيْهِ قَوْمٌ آخَرُونَ فَقَدْ جَاؤُوا ظُلْمًا وَزُورًا . وَقَالُوا أَسَاطِيرُ الْأَوَّلِينَ اكْتَتَبَهَا فَهِيَ تُمْلَى عَلَيْهِ بُكْرَةً وَأَصِيلًا . قُلْ أَنزَلَهُ الَّذِي يَعْلَمُ السِّرَّ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ إِنَّهُ كَانَ غَفُورًا رَّحِيمًا

The explanation:
(The unbelievers say: "This [Quran] is no more than an invention which [Mohammed] has forged, and others [: Christians] have helped him at it." But actually they have done wrong [to Mohammed] and [attributed to him] falsehood.

And they say: "[These are only] the written fables of the ancients, which he has copied and they are dictated to him morning and evening."

Say [O Mohammed, to them]: "[It is God], That revealed [the Quran], Who knows the secret [that is] in the heavens and the earth [so the Quran included the telling about the future and the past, while Mohammed does not know the forefuture]; for surely He is Most Forgiving [to him that repents], Most Merciful [to him that converts and believe.] )


 
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Scott Free

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I can only tell you it works by my own experiences. If it worked for me every time why would I not believe, rely and trust in it?

Peace>>>AJ

My whole family is religious and I used to be so I am well aware of what your talking about. I too had many fine examples of the mysterious hand of god at work in my life and the lives of others. Then something happened. I woke up and noticed things weren't really that way. That I was rationalizing the things happening around me. Sometimes god helped people sometimes god let them suffer to teach them a lesson. Anything could happen and I could explain how god had something to do with it - but then I realized that was the same as god having nothing to do with it.

So I started trying to figure out what god really played a role in and what he didn't. There had to be a distinction therefore if he played any role at all it would be obvious. I looked at the research, I looked at philosophy, I looked at science, etc and found no shred of evidence. I sincerely thought I would. I had what I thought were leads but now I think are just new phenomena, different models, or just plain wrong (I spent over a decade on this inquiry). I have some possible insights into the nature of the universe but they do not support anything like the personal god supposed by religion.

Religion in my life has only created one disaster after another. I realize now it was my blind adherence to a system of rationalizations and wishful thinking, and that of the people around me, which brought that about. They were only following the tenants of faith. Therine lies the rub: if you follow anything blindly then your life is being wasted, that is, you can never know your real potential, which is to say, faith robs a person of destiny it does not give them destiny as is mistakenly believed. Destiny being defined as making the most you can of the possibilities around you.

This is why I rail against religion. It is from a personal experience and insight that I know religion is a cancer on the face of humanity. It can not be forcibly removed but the cancer can be demonstrated as such and each individual can come to their senses and realize they maybe don't want their life ruined. Maybe they won't do this for themselves but maybe they won't pass the cancer onto their children either. Humankind needs to start getting rid of this blight however it can.
 
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ahmadabdalrhman

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No...the quran is lies without evidence...

A myth, upon a myth, upon a myth...[/left]

OPINIONS OF FAMOUS NON-MUSLIM

Speaking about the Quran, Goethe says, "It soon attracts, astounds, and in the end enforces our reverence... Its style, in accordance with its contents and aim is stern, grand - ever and always, truly sublime -
So, this book will go on exercising through all ages a most potent influence."


[Goethe - quoted in T. P. Huges "Dictionary of Islam", p. 526]





"The Koran (Quran) admittedly occupies an important position among the great religious books of the world. Though it is the youngest of the epoch making works belonging to this class of literature, it yields to hardly any in the wonderful effect which it has produced on large masses of men. It has created an all but new phase of human thought and a fresh type of character. It first transformed a number of heterogeneous desert tribes of the Arabian Peninsula into a nation of heroes, and then proceeded to create the vast politico-religious organizations of Muslims world wide which are one of the great forces with which Europe and the East have to reckon with today."



[G. Maragliouth in his Introduction to J. M. Rodwells - 'The Koran", New York - 'Everyman's Library, 1977, p VI]





"A work, then, which calls forth so powerful and seemingly incompatible emotions even in the distant reader - distant as to time, and still more so as mental development - a work which not only conquers the repugnance which he may begin its perusal, but changes this adverse feeling into astonishment and admiration, such a work must be a wonderful production...

indeed and a problem of the highest interest to every thoughtful observer of the destinies of mankind."


[Dr Steingass quoted in T. P. Hughes - "Dictionary of Islam", pp 256-257]





"It is impossible that Muhammad, peace be upon him, authored the Quran. How could a man, from being illiterate, become the most important author, in terms of literary merits, in the whole of Arabic literature?


How could he then pronounce truths of a scientific nature that no other human-being could possibly have developed at that time, an all this without once making the slightest error in his pronouncement on the subject?"


[Dr. Maurice Bucaille - author of "The Bible, the Quran and Science" 1978, p. 125]





"Here, therefore, its merits as a literary production should perhaps not be measured by some preconceived maxims of subjective and aesthetic taste, but by the effects which it produced in Muhammad's contemporaries and fellow countrymen.


If it spoke so powerfully and convincingly to the hearts of his hearers as to weld hitherto centrifugal and antagonistic elements into one compact and well organized body, animated by ideas far beyond those which had until now ruled the Arabian mind, then its eloquence was perfect, simply because it created a civilized nation out of savage tribes, and shot a fresh woof into the old warp of history"


[Dr. Steingass, quoted in Hughes' Dictionary of Islam p. 528]





"In making the present attempt to improve on the performance of my predecessors, and to produce something which might be accepted as echoing however faintly the sublime rhetoric of the Arabic Koran, I have been at pain to study the intricate and richly varied rhythms which - apart from the message itself - constitute the Koran's undeniable claim to rank amongst the greatest literary masterpieces of mankind..

This very characteristic feature - 'that inimitable symphony', as the believing Pickthall described his Holy Book, 'the very sounds of which move men to tears and ecstasy' has been almost totally ignored by previous translators; it is therefore not surprising that what they have wrought sounds dull and flat indeed in comparison with the splendidly decorated original.."


[Arthur J. Arberry - "The Koran Interpreted", London: Oxford University Press . 1964, p. x.]





"A totally objective examination of it [the Quran] in the light of modern knowledge leads us to recognize the agreement between the two, as has been already noted on repeated occasions. It makes us deem it quite unthinkable for a man of Muhammad's time to have been the author of such statements, on account of the state of knowledge in his day.

Such considerations are part of what gives the Qur'anic Revelation its unique place, and forces the impartial scientist to admit his inability to provide and explanation which calls solely upon materialistic reasoning."

[Dr. Maurice Bucaille in his book: "The Bible, The Quran and Science" 1981, p. 18]

FROM Allah's Quran - What Others Say