Liberals true faced revealed with comments

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Don't mean to be defensive.

And we will see how the election goes. If Canadians have any sense, IMHO, the Conservative government will be a majority. :)
 

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RE: Liberals true faced r

Personally, I think that the best scenario that the Conservative Party can hope for in this election would be a minority mandate. I think that Canadians need to see a Conservative Government in action, with a back-up option of censure, just in case.

Even though I am a supporter of the current Liberal Government, I think that I would be able to start to trust the Conservatives far more if they were given a minority to work with, so that I could see them and their social and fiscal policies in action for a while, with the option to have them defeated for non-confidence just in case they take things a bit too far. You know, a "test run," so to speak. I think that many Canadians would feel far more comfortable giving the Conservatives a "tentative" mandate.

Think something along the lines of, "Here, you can govern, but we're gonna hold an anvil over your head. Don't say anything stupid." ;)

Back to the topic at hand...

I, too, construed the Blog entry as being only a play on names.
 

the caracal kid

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Re: RE: Liberals true faced revealed with comments

Colpy said:
Don't mean to be defensive.

And we will see how the election goes. If Canadians have any sense, IMHO, the Conservative government will be a majority. :)
heck, since we are making wishes here. I would like to see a bloc-NDP coalition government. Keep the cons well at bay, while stripping the libs of power.
 

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heck, since we are making wishes here. I would like to see a bloc-NDP coalition government. Keep the cons well at bay, while stripping the libs of power.

lol NDP and Bloq....why?
In my perfect world the Conservatives would win a majority with the Greens as the official opposition. The Libs would win a few seats (20-25) and the NDP would be thrown in the trash. :lol:
 

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the caracal kid said:
Colpy said:
Don't mean to be defensive.

And we will see how the election goes. If Canadians have any sense, IMHO, the Conservative government will be a majority. :)
heck, since we are making wishes here. I would like to see a bloc-NDP coalition government. Keep the cons well at bay, while stripping the libs of power.

Interesting thought.

Except that a coalition with the Bloc would be absolute political suicide for any national party. I don't think even Layton is that stupid.

Mind you, the idea is preferable to another Liberal majority, I will give you that.
 

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Roy said:
heck, since we are making wishes here. I would like to see a bloc-NDP coalition government. Keep the cons well at bay, while stripping the libs of power.

lol NDP and Bloq....why?
In my perfect world the Conservatives would win a majority with the Greens as the official opposition. The Libs would win a few seats (20-25) and the NDP would be thrown in the trash. :lol:

I disagree. I would like to see the Conservatives win power in a majority. 170 seats would do. I would rejoice to see the Liberals punished harshly, say 40 seats. The English-speaking left really does need, and deserve a voice in Parliament, so let's see them with 30 seats. 69 for the Bloc, as far as I can see the Greens are a bunch of nuts.
 

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Colpy said:
TenPenny said:
I simply interpreted it to be a pun on her last name. But I guess you can all be offended in different ways, and if Layton can stretch it to the use of "dogs" in history, then he's more of a used car salesman than I thought.

If he was comparing her eyes, then the guys just blind. As Pete Townsend said, "all the best cowboys have Chinese eyes", and every day I look at my children, I fall in love with their almond eyes all over again.

I think the descent into racism charges on this one are absolutely ridiculous. But it is an election, so all is fair, I guess.

And don't worry, the day people make racist comments about my daughters, that'll be the day they need to buy a new nose.

I see your point, but the comments were ignorant and offensive, racist or not.

Exactly my point. Stupid, ignorant, yes. Racist, no.
 

the caracal kid

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Roy said:
heck, since we are making wishes here. I would like to see a bloc-NDP coalition government. Keep the cons well at bay, while stripping the libs of power.

lol NDP and Bloq....why?
In my perfect world the Conservatives would win a majority with the Greens as the official opposition. The Libs would win a few seats (20-25) and the NDP would be thrown in the trash. :lol:

why?
because the bloc can not form the government on its own since it is not running in enough ridings. Now as for who they should team with, the NDP is my choice because the NDP has played well as the conscience of canada in the house.

Anything in my books is better than the cons with any real power, and i do mean anything. The real threat to canada is not from the separatists but from the neocon Harperites.
 

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To suggest a coalition between two "Big Government" left leaning parties, one of which has no interest in any portion of Canada unless it has something which can be taken and used by Quebec and the other which believes in Tax the Rich, BS the poor would be a disasterous unity.

The larger power in the coalition would ultimatly not wish well on Canada and the Socialists would be working to eliminate that nasty word "Profit" from Canadian business. I could only see disaster and financial chaos from something like that.

It'll be intersting to see the costed out party platform which the CPC will be putting out for Canadians to have a look at in the New Year. Seems to me that the Conservative vision for Canada is resonating well with the majority of Canadians, coast to coast, with certain of the present company excluded of course.

On Topic: It amazes me the infantile kind of stuff that is being dug up. It really comes across not so much as arrogant abuse as much as childish "Vote for me or you're stupid" stuff." And that from fairly major players.

Pat
 

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Seems to me that the Conservative vision for Canada
is resonating well with the majority of Canadians, coast to coast
, with certain of the present company excluded of course.

Then why isn't the conservatives in the lead. Some polls have the conservatives and the Liberals have each other neck and neck, while others have a huge Liberal lead. Even though I wouldn't trust the latter.

The conservatives and the NDP will be helped by Goodale.
 

the caracal kid

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Maybe we need to refresh people about the comments the Harperites have made over the years?

remember this (in comparison to what the libs did with the harp-duceppe picture):

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Anti-racism groups denounce Harper's tactics

By BRIAN LAGHI
Friday, February 18, 2005
Globe and Mail

Stephen Harper came under fire yesterday from anti-racism groups and a member of his Conservative Party for what they say was a bid to cash in politically on the Holocaust and the internment of Japanese Canadians more than 60 years ago.
"It's just trying to score political points and I don't think that it's appropriate to do that with this particular issue," said Pat Case of the Canadian Race Relations Foundation.

"For Mr. Harper to try to use the internment of Japanese Canadians in a partisan attempt to criticize a political opponent is simply embarrassing."

The foundation that Mr. Case represents was established as part of the redress that was granted to Japanese Canadians as a result of their internment during the Second World War. The foundation's role is to foster racial harmony in the country.


On Wednesday, Mr. Harper said during the kickoff of the same-sex debate that the Liberals are hardly lily-white when it comes the protection of rights, noting that Liberal administrations were responsible for interning Japanese Canadians and for closing the borders to Jews fleeing Nazi Germany.

"Let us not forget, it is the Liberal Party that said 'None is too many,' when it came to Jews fleeing from Hitler. It is the Liberal Party that interned Japanese Canadians in camps on Canada's West Coast, an act which [former prime minister] Pierre Trudeau refused to apologize or make restitution for."

The words 'None is too many' were attributed to a former high-ranking government official and became the title of a well-known book. One of the book's authors said yesterday that Mr. Harper's remarks surprised him, saying the Tory Leader was abusing the past.

"I don't think that the memory of six million should be exploited to political advantage today," said Harold Troper, a historian at the University of Toronto.

"And I don't think that human-rights [violations] of the past should be used to justify human-rights [violations] today."

Prof. Troper noted that Conservatives at the time did not speak against the policy.

"One could argue that if the Liberals were bad, the Conservatives at that time were either just as bad or worse."

Meanwhile, yesterday, a Conservative Party member from Toronto said she was upset with her leader's remarks.

"Mr. Harper could learn a lesson or two from his own words," Tamara Kronis said. "The internment of Japanese Canadians and the legacy of 'None is too many' reminds us that there was a time in Canadian history when it was acceptable to discriminate against those minorities and to deny them equal treatment."

Ms. Kronis said that, as a Tory, she was "disappointed in Mr. Harper's lack of leadership and judgment on this issue, and in the insensitivity that is evident in his remarks."

Ms. Kronis, past president of a Toronto Conservative riding association, said that perhaps party MPs should have vetted the speech, a reference to the fact that the leader's office has asked to review the speeches of Conservative MPs on the matter.

Geoff Norquay, a spokesman for Mr. Harper, said the leader was simply trying to demonstrate that the Liberals are not the ones who defend human rights.

"When Liberals wrap themselves in the flag and claim that their values are Canadian values, and that anyone who holds different values is not Canadian, then they should expect a reaction," Mr. Norquay said.

Justice Minister Irwin Cotler said the difficulties of the past are well known and part of the public record, and even he has written about them. But he wondered what the comparisons had to do with the current debate on gay marriage.

"The question that I ask Stephen Harper is, 'What does all this have to do with the issue at hand, with the question before the House?'." he said.

Mr. Cotler said he believes the legislation will be adopted by late spring, despite what is expected to be a lengthy debate. Up to 90 Conservative MPs are scheduled to speak on the legislation.

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The CPC vision is resonating well? I did not realize so many people desired the breakup of canada. It would be interesting to see how Harper plans to fund all his promises along with tax-cuts! *cough* massive debt *cough*
 

Jersay

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Seems to me to be the same. That is why I put the Liberals and the Conservatives as the same in my original post. Now the only party that hasn't used stupid, or arrogant, or racist remarks is the NDP, and I ask anyone to show me evidence that they have.

To me the Liberals and the Conservatives are the same.
 

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The major difference, of course, is that the Liberals have for several months and years now tried to paint the Conservatives with a "scarey and extreme" brush. The most recent "scarey and extreme" comments have come from high ranking Liberals. Seems to me that if the Conservatives had said any of the things said in the two blogs, the Mainstream Media would have been all over it, with their "experts" claiming this as just further examples of right wing extremism. The silence from these "experts" right now about the Libs comments is truly deafening.
 

Jersay

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True you have a good point. But that does defeat the point that both the Liberals and the Conservatives have bigots, and racists or whatever you would like to call these people within their ranks.

You could make the claim with the former GG running for the NDP that he is against same-sex, but his last comments were in the 1960s, 70s.

But, it does seem that recently the ugly head of whatever you like to calls these attacks, is from the Liberal point of view. I watched Global National today, and they had nothing on it.
 

bluealberta

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True you have a good point. But that does defeat the point that both the Liberals and the Conservatives have bigots, and racists or whatever you would like to call these people within their ranks.


The point being that it appears that the conservatives have either weeded out their idiots, or put silencers on them, and the Liberals have had their idiots come to the surface very recently. The previous comments from the Liberals about the Conservative idiots now should apply equally to them, no??
 

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You could make the claim with the former GG running for the NDP that he is against same-sex, but his last comments were in the 1960s, 70s.

you mean the late 80s... :)
 

Jersay

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The point being that it appears that the conservatives have either weeded out their idiots, or put silencers on them, and the Liberals have had their idiots come to the surface very recently. The previous comments from the Liberals about the Conservative idiots now should apply equally to them, no??

Yes they should be applied equally.