Liberals self destructing?

Breakthrough2006

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Senior Grit staffer apologizes for 'beer' gaffe
CTV.ca News Staff

A senior Liberal staffer uttered his party's first major gaffe of the campaign.

In a television interview Sunday, Scott Reid, Prime Minister Paul Martin's director of communications, criticized the Conservative Party's plan to give parents $1,200 per year for each child under six.

Reid said in part: "Don't give people $25 a day to blow on beer and popcorn."

Later, on CTV's Question Period, Liberal spokesman John Duffy said he stood behind Reid's statement, saying, with the Conservative plan, "there is nothing to stop people from spending it on beer or popcorn or a coat or a car, anything."

Reid later sent an email to reporters apologizing for his remarks. "It was a dumb way to make my point and I apologize because obviously, no responsible parent would make that choice. The point remains that Mr. Harper offers a tax cut, not a child care plan."

He said the context of his remarks were that they occurred during a spirited conversation and that the full remarks were: "We are not trying to take people's time away from their grandparents but working families need care. They need care that is regulated, safe and secure and that's what we're building here. Don't give people $25 a day to blow on beer and popcorn. Give them child care spaces that work."

In a news release, the Conservatives asked: "Does Paul Martin also stand by the views of his senior-most campaign officials -- that parents would choose 'beer and popcorn' over quality care for their children?"

When questioned by reporters during a winery tour in Beamsville, Ont., Martin said, "Scott's already apologized, but what the Conservatives are saying is we'll cut you a cheque."

He went on to say: "There's no doubt in my mind that parents are going to use it for the benefit of their families. They're going to use that money in a way that I'm sure is responsible. Let there be no doubt about that.''

The Liberal childcare plan calls for deals with the provinces (apparently just like the hand gun deal)to increase the numbers of publicly-run daycare spaces.

Critics of the Liberal plan say it doesn't help stay-at-home parents.
 

Paranoid Dot Calm

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The Liberals will never self-destruct.

It is important for them to be somewhat the underdog during the start of campaigning so that the media can begin to support them and call them "strong" - "decisive" and "momentus" after the Christmas break.

In order to show the Liberals gaining ground and to make it a news story day after day, yuh first gotta talk about how badly they are doing and then heap them with praise as they "seemingly" pull ahead in the polls.

After Christmas ..... Martin will be called "strong" so many times in the media that it will make our heads spin. Martin will begin to appear at campaign headquarters with his sleeves rolled up and lookin' "strong".

CBC has a lot to loose if the Conservatives win because the Conservatives threatened to cut the CBC budget.

Calm
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Liberals self destruc

Were Reid's remarks a gaffe? He brought up something that a lot of people have worried about regarding Harper's plan. He later clarified the remark on CBC's News Sunday, saying that of course he didn't believe that the majority of people weren't irresponsible, but that some undoubtedly were. He's now apologised for the remark, which will bring back most of he people who were wavering because of it. Martin has distanced himself from the remark and been seen to be publicly disapproving of what Reid said.

Keep in mind that Reid isn't running for anything, so this can't hurt him personally.

So what did Reid's lose for the Liberals in the end? Some votes in ridings where the Liberals didn't have a chance anyway? So what? They picked up a bunch of votes in areas where people understand that $1200 a year doesn't buy a lot of daycare and there's suspiscion that the money is likely to be mis-spent as a result...areas like that coveted 905 area code.

I'll bet that Reid and some Liberal strategists are doing high-fives in some no-longer-smokey backroom right now.
 

#juan

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Liberal self-destructing with this??:

Not when we could already fill a book with all the gaffes and flip flops Harper has made. What is Harper's position today on health care? I know what it was yesterday but that is no guarantee.
 

Colpy

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Yeah.

I only wish the Liberals were self-destructing over this.

As for health-care flip-flops, Harper is the epitome of steadfastness when compared to Jack Layton.
 

no1important

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RE: Liberals self destruc

The funny thing is the Liberals with this and Gomery not to mention Harpers announcements of late, he still is trailing in the polls. I wonder why? Maybe people do not believe anything he says, Martin is the lesser of two evils or just maybe people know that Harper is scarey??
 

Reverend Blair

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What is Harper's position today on health care?

The same as always...that he wants to privatise it so he can get kickbacks from American insurance companies in the future.

What he says changes from day to day, but what he means is clear from his words and actions in the past.

Have you noticed that the Harperites are suddenly focussed on attacking the NDP? Could it be that they're in more trouble in BC and on the prairies than they are admitting? I'd love to have a look at their internal polling.
 

Breakthrough2006

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The same as always...that he wants to privatise it so he can get kickbacks from American insurance companies in the future.

Just like Jack want's to double our taxes and have a hospital on every street corner and give every union member in Canada a 25% raise.

What he says changes from day to day, but what he means is clear from his words and actions in the past.

Just trying to keep up with Laytons flip flops I guess.

Have you noticed that the Harperites are suddenly focussed on attacking the NDP?

I haven't noticed that at all. The NDP has been non existant in this campaign.

Were Reid's remarks a gaffe? He brought up something that a lot of people have worried about regarding Harper's plan.

Are you in favour of suspending welfare cheques? After all, that money can easily be spent on "beer and popcorn" also.

I'll bet that Reid and some Liberal strategists are doing high-fives in some no-longer-smokey backroom right now.

Great logic. Piss off and insult millions of parents and it works out in the Liberals favour.
 

no1important

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RE: Liberals self destruc

Even Peter Warren on Neocon Radio this morning (CKNW) Agreed with Reids statement. The 25 a week or 5 bucks a day has no measures to see it is going for daycare.

I think an income tax deducation for daycare would be better or sending reciepts to government at years end showing kids were in day care and what they paid out of their own pocket and then cut a cheque for them up to the first 1200 per child.

Really though the 25 a week is only about 1.5 hours worth of babysitting time from the teenager down the street.
 

MMMike

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His comment was incredibly stupid and insulting. Does he really expect that the government be trusted more than most parents??? If so, the logical step would be 100% taxation, then set up a new ministry to look after families day to day spending for them, so they don't do something irresponsible with their money.
 

Jay

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Socialists aren't happy unless their sticking their nose in your business.
 

Reverend Blair

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Just like Jack want's to double our taxes and have a hospital on every street corner and give every union member in Canada a 25% raise.

Jack has no record of saying that. Neither does the NDP. Harper and his Reform/Alliance/Conservative have a long history of wanting US-style healthcare in this country. Along with adopting the US dollar, wanting US-style gun laws, US-style campaign laws, US-style government, US-style involvement in illegal wars, US-style corruption, and US-style corporate control of government.

Just trying to keep up with Laytons flip flops I guess.

No flip-flops from Layton.

I haven't noticed that at all. The NDP has been non existant in this campaign.

No TV in your riding?

Are you in favour of suspending welfare cheques? After all, that money can easily be spent on "beer and popcorn" also.

Nope. I'm in favour of suspending nonsensical trolls such as yourself though.

Great logic. Piss off and insult millions of parents and it works out in the Liberals favour.

Yep. It works.
 

CutThroat

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I don't think they will self destruct. They may be corrupt, abusive, blatent liars and criminals but one thing they are good at is staying in power.
 

Breakthrough2006

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Jack has no record of saying that. Neither does the NDP.

I guess that's why Canadians are so terrified of him that he will never win more than 30 seats.

Harper and his Reform/Alliance/Conservative have a long history of wanting US-style healthcare in this country. Along with adopting the US dollar, wanting US-style gun laws, US-style campaign laws, US-style government, US-style involvement in illegal wars, US-style corruption, and US-style corporate control of government.

Any proof or should I just take your word for it.

No flip-flops from Layton.

Healthcare for one. Taxes is another.

No TV in your riding?

Been checking TV, radio and internet. I think I've heard Layton twice while Martin and Harper have been on TV dozens of times.

Nope. I'm in favour of suspending nonsensical trolls such as yourself though.

You answer questions with sarcastic remarks which have nothing to do with the topic at hand. You cast out personal attacks left right and center. And you want ME to be banned? Until you can actually answer a question or two without resorting to personal attacks and/or sarcasm, you are the one trolling.

Yep. It works.

It works because there are too many naive Canadians.
 

Reverend Blair

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I guess that's why Canadians are so terrified of him that he will never win more than 30 seats.
Ah, still pissed off about BC, are you? Tough titty.

Any proof or should I just take your word for it.

There's a couple pages of quotes from Harper and his MPs on this site. Read them.

Healthcare for one. Taxes is another.

Nope. Healthcare is what the NDP have said all along. So are taxes. You should listen to what the NDP actually say instead of the radical right's fear-mongering spin.

Been checking TV, radio and internet. I think I've heard Layton twice while Martin and Harper have been on TV dozens of times.

Funny, I've seen Layton and other representatives of the NDP on TV every day since the election started.

You answer questions with sarcastic remarks which have nothing to do with the topic at hand. You cast out personal attacks left right and center. And you want ME to be banned? Until you can actually answer a question or two without resorting to personal attacks and/or sarcasm, you are the one trolling.

Don't start troll-boy.

It works because there are too many naive Canadians.

Actually, it works best because people are afraid of Harper. The Liberals capitalise on that, but the distrust of Harper comes from things he's said and done.

So the Liberals say they want to ban guns and all of the scariest CPC people start yarking and people look and say, "Not voting for those rednecks."

You know what I've been doing when people tell me they are voting Conservative? I send them to a couple of sites where the CPC party faithful hang out. I don't tell them what to think or anything, just, "Hey, here are a couple of Conservative sites." Usually they are trying to decide between the Lberals and the NDP the next time I talk to them.