Liberals now pulling away from Cons into majority territory

SLM

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Oh so true.

That's so much like the issue with the word barbaric, or JT's silly dishonesty with what Harper has said or not said, or even the way his followers blindly attack someone like Levant, completely negating the underlying, and far more important message the man shares.

Some people are just not smart enough to get past the stupidity of voting a party out, but voting for what it right.

It's a condition of the times we live in. The Twitter to communicate but not really say anything, Facebooking "oh look how perfectly perfect we are", I must follow the crowd least I be thought poorly of lemmings.

Real human beings are flawed, and the smarter ones realize this and get to know their own flaws, hell even embrace them. As I've suggested, I have a hell of a lot more respect for someone who looks at the party they're going to vote for, assess their weaknesses and then still selects them because they feel they are still the better choice. Because that's honest.

But I guess some people would rather put appearances before honesty though.
 

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But I guess some people would rather put appearances before honesty though.

You might have a point except Harper and Mulcair fail miserably on the honesty scale with most Canadians so rightly or wrongly, Trudeau pretty much gets a free pass on that one (at least so far)
 

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You might have a point except Harper and Mulcair fail miserably on the honesty scale with most Canadians so rightly or wrongly, Trudeau pretty much gets a free pass on that one (at least so far)
Only a moron would give him a free pass.

Especially since what he has offered has been so thoroughly exposed for the idiocy it is.

I guess some people are easily moved by pretty hair and pretend politicians.
 

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No politician is going to be honest on their own, don't be silly.

Their supporters though could use a little honest reflection and doing that might actually prompt the political leadership to, if not actually be honest, at least tone down their dishonesty. It's the unending rhetoric of the blinded loyalists that do more to disengage the majority of voters than the political leadership themselves.
 

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No politician is going to be honest on their own, don't be silly.

Their supporters though could use a little honest reflection and doing that might actually prompt the political leadership to, if not actually be honest, at least tone down their dishonesty. It's the unending rhetoric of the blinded loyalists that do more to disengage the majority of voters than the political leadership themselves.
But SLM, some people don't vote for the party that best represents growth or positive change. They moronically vote out big meanies.

Which essentially what JT's platform is, and of course it's complete honest right? Only the dumbest of the dumb would say Harper or Mulcair was any less trustworthy than JT.

Of the three choices, he's actually the least honest.
 

SLM

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But SLM, some people don't vote for the party that best represents growth or positive change. They moronically vote out big meanies.

Which essentially what JT's platform is, and of course it's complete honest right? Only the dumbest of the dumb would say Harper or Mulcair was any less trustworthy than JT.

Of the three choices, he's actually the least honest.


Lol. If some people can't be honest with themselves, how in the hell can they ever expect other people to be honest with them?
 

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Only a moron would give him a free pass.

Especially since what he has offered has been so thoroughly exposed for the idiocy it is.

I guess some people are easily moved by pretty hair and pretend politicians.

Harper and Mulcair are liars. Justin hasn't been around long enough. He gets a free pass on that whether you like it or not. Are you jealous of his hair or something?
 

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Harper and Mulcair are liars. Justin hasn't been around long enough. He gets a free pass on that whether you like it or not.
Don't be silly. It has nothing to do with like or not. Unlike some people, I'm not prone to throwing blind support behind someone who is as dishonest, if not more. Or voting based on likeability.

I get it, some people are just that stupid, as to defend and support a vacuous hack like JT. They probably still have wet dreams about PET.

Are you jealous of his hair or something?
A little, it looks so fluffy, mine won't hold a style like that, just straight, cut in a mohawk and braided back, that way it won't burn while I'm welding.

I can see why some people are swayed by how pretty his is though. That would explain why some, very stupid people got so upset with Levant and anyone that even remotely likes him.
 
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Personally I always prefer to seek clarification from others when there may be some question as to their actual intentions. Some people though would rather assume facts not in evidence because they think it makes them look better. Sad way to win an argument if you ask me. I've notice Blackleaf is similarly afflicted.


Slightly different persona, SLM, Blackleaf knows he's being annoying and does a lot of it deliberately. (but don't tell him I'm onto him lol)
 

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Stephen Harper's polling picture bleak

Over the past 35 years, only two incumbent federal governments have polled lower than Stephen Harper's Conservatives with just 12 months to go before the next general election.

One of those met disaster in 1993, when Kim Campbell's Progressive Conservatives were reduced to just a couple of seats in Canada's greatest electoral defeat in history.

The other? Brian Mulroney's 1988 majority win.

But history suggests the prime minister faces an uphill battle as the next election approaches.

For the purposes of this analysis, I have looked at polls carried out between 12 and 14 months before a federal election going back to 1979. These polls have been averaged where the results of multiple surveys have been found.

Eleven federal elections have been held since 1979. The Liberals were the incumbents in six of those elections, while the PCs or Conservatives were the incumbents in five.

The Conservatives are currently averaging just under 31 per cent support in polls conducted over the last two months, which compares poorly with recent history. Incumbent governments have averaged about 37 per cent support one year out from the end of their terms, and only twice has a governing party polled significantly lower than the Conservatives' current level of support.

Opposite lessons can be drawn from those two precedents.

The first was in 1987. Brian Mulroney's PCs were polling at just 27 per cent a year before the 1988 election, putting them about 10 percentage points behind John Turner's Liberals and in third place behind Ed Broadbent's New Democrats. A year later, however, Mulroney took 43 per cent of the vote and secured another majority government.


Then prime minister Brian Mulroney, with his wife, Mila, right, bounced back from low polls in 1987 to win another majority in 1988. (Ron Poling/Canadian Press)
The second example is far more ominous for the current government. The PCs were polling at just 15 per cent in August to October 1992, putting them in a tie with the upstart Reform Party for third place. Again the NDP was polling in second, with the Liberals well ahead. The New Democrats dropped significantly by the time of the 1993 election, while the PCs did not recover and took just 16 per cent of the vote in their disastrous campaign. Jean Chrétien's Liberals cruised to an easy victory.

However, Conservative incumbents have generally polled lower than Liberal governments at this point in their mandates.

The last five Conservative incumbents were polling at around 30 per cent with a year to go, or 33 per cent if we exclude the exceptional case of 1992. In that regard, Harper's Conservatives are performing comparably well. But the Tories were at 35 per cent a year before their 2008 victory and at 33 per cent a year before their 2011 win, so by that measure the party is slipping.

This is particularly problematic when compared to the state of current Liberal support. Justin Trudeau's party has averaged a little under 39 per cent support over the last two months. Only twice before has an Opposition party polled more highly a year before the next election. The first was in 1979, which is complicated by the fact that the 1979 and 1980 elections were held less than a year apart. But the second was in 1983. At the time, Mulroney's Opposition PCs were one year away from their inaugural 1984 victory.

Chrétien's Liberals were polling at a similar level of support a year before the 1993 federal vote.

What a difference a year makes

Much can happen in the 12 months before a federal election. On average, support for the two main parties has shifted plus or minus 6.2 percentage points between the polls and the results in the year before a vote.


Kim Campbell, facing competition on the right from the Reform Party, could not recover from low polls, and suffered an historic loss in 1993. (Tom Hanson/Canadian Press)
Incumbents have generally performed worse, dropping an average of 2.1 points in the last year of their mandate. The main opposition party has, by contrast, gained an average of 3.4 points.

But there has been a marked difference between incumbent Liberal and Conservative governments. On average, PC or Conservative governments have gained 4.5 points in the last year of their mandate while the Liberals in Opposition have lost just under a point. Liberal incumbent governments, on the other hand, dropped an average of 7.5 points, with Conservative Opposition parties gaining 4.4 points.

So we should probably expect a fair amount of change in voting intentions over the next 12 months.

Over the last 11 federal elections, polls one year out identified the eventual winner eight times. In three of those cases, there were some significant changes, just not enough to make a difference in the winner or whether or not it would be a majority government. In two cases, there were no significant shifts whatsoever.

Recent historical precedent, then, could be used to argue for or against a Conservative victory in 2015.

On election night, the Conservatives and PCs have tended to outperform their polling levels one year earlier by a sizable amount.

But overall, incumbent governments have suffered at the ballot box compared to where they stood 12 months before, Harper's Conservatives are polling lower than most incumbents at this stage of their mandate and polls have generally not shifted enough to flip the identity of the eventual winner this far out from an election.

The weight of evidence comes down against a Conservative re-election in 2015, but the case is far from conclusive.

Note: This article reviews trends in national public opinion surveys. Methodology, sample size and margin of error if one can be stated vary from survey to survey and have not been individually verified. Read more polling analysis at threehundredeight.com.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/politics/s...e-bleak-but-history-offers-him-hope-1.2798115
 

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What else do you expect the "non-partisan", "unbiased" Communist Bullcrap Corpse to say.
 

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Over the past 35 years, only two incumbent federal governments have polled lower than Stephen Harper's Conservatives with just 12 months to go before the next general election.

One of those met disaster in 1993, when Kim Campbell's Progressive Conservatives were reduced to just a couple of seats in Canada's greatest electoral defeat in history.

The other? Brian Mulroney's 1988 majority win.

[...] The weight of evidence comes down against a Conservative re-election in 2015, but the case is far from conclusive.

Stephen Harper's polling picture bleak, but history offers him hope - Politics - CBC News
 

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I hear that the gvt is seeking to gain access to news clips for use in the public sphere.

Looks like Justine's own words will come back to haunt him in a big ugly way.... So much for the Libs making a comeback
 

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Looks like ISIS, Iraq and Ottawa haven't changed anything.