Liberals backstab our military......again.

Colpy

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Summer said:
Colpy said:
Summer said:
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Dead Islamists don't fly planes into office towers.

No, but their surviving and now very pissed-off relatives could certainly do so. Or do you advocate just wiping every single Islamic soul off the face of the planet at once, just in case?

I said "Islamist", I did not say "Islamic".

Islamist are radical fundamentalists who want to turn the world into a Muslim theocracy. Oh, the "moderate" Islamists want to recreate the Muslim world as it was in its heyday.....a territorial ambition that includes Spain.

Islamics are simply people that follow the teachings of Mohammed.

Colpy, I'm not an idiot and the difference between Islamists and Islamics is not lost on me. However, did you ever stop to wonder exactly what it is that pushes some Islamic individuals into the waiting arms of Islamist terrorist philosophy and spurs them to attack Westerners? Hint: not all of the current crop of terrorists were born into the Islamist way of life and thinking. Some were pushed by anger at having their friends, their families and their livelihoods taken from them by Westerners... a perception which, whether correct or incorrect, is undeniably powerful.

GWB and the current war in Iraq have been fantastic recruiting tools for al-Qaeda, I'm sure.

I didn't mean to insinuate that you were an idiot. Misinformed, maybe, but you write well enough that I would not mistake you for an idiot.

I disagree, however, with everything you say. The guys who flew the planes on Sept. 11 had every priviledge of society, and most of those priviledges had flowed indirectly from the west.

Religious fanaticism can not be blamed on any outside cause. It is only fueled by something lacking within the fanatic. That is why death is the only treatment for those would would bring destruction to our doorstep.
 

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TenPenny said:
Jay said:
It is thou shall not murder....

Sorry, it can't be "thou shall not murder", because the GODDAM BIBLE WASN'T WRITTEN IN ENGLISH.

Despite what so many literalists want to believe. Every bible printed in English is SOME PERSON'S VERSION OF WHAT THE ORIGINAL SAYS.

Precisely right.
 

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TenPenny said:
Jay said:
It is thou shall not murder....

Sorry, it can't be "thou shall not murder", because the GODDAM BIBLE WASN'T WRITTEN IN ENGLISH.

Despite what so many literalists want to believe. Every bible printed in English is SOME PERSON'S VERSION OF WHAT THE ORIGINAL SAYS.

I said it, not Jay.

And you are agreeing with me.

The King James versions and all taken from that say "kill". The oldest scripts say "murder".
 

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There are actually a lot fewer wars now than there were before too. Paradoxically, that increases the need for peacekeepers. It also requires that those peacekeepers have equipment of at least the same vintage they are keeping the peace between.

Back in the days when the government paid me money to fly airplanes, we had no wars to go to. We had the cold war but a little thing called MAD gave us nightmares but it kept us safe. My point is, that the world is a lot more dangerous now than in those days. Our coastline has not gotten any shorter. In fact, with global warming, it has gotten considerably longer. If anything, we need a larger military than we had back then. In 1958 we had about a thousand frontline fighters. We now fly 50 or 60 old F-18s. They are faster than the aircraft I flew but very little fighting is done at supersonic speeds. I believe in peacekeeping, but we need to patrol our borders, on all sides as well. We should spend at least as much on defense as the average G-7 country.
 

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I didn't mean to insinuate that you were an idiot. Misinformed, maybe, but you write well enough that I would not mistake you for an idiot.
Thank you. Now that we have that out of the way:

I disagree, however, with everything you say. The guys who flew the planes on Sept. 11 had every priviledge of society, and most of those priviledges had flowed indirectly from the west.
Care to explain what you mean by that in more detail? Because I don't see it. And I'm pretty sure that THEY didn't see it, even if it were true (which has not been established).

Religious fanaticism can not be blamed on any outside cause. It is only fueled by something lacking within the fanatic.
Not always, as the choices made by human beings are often the result of events. But leaving that aside, you haven't addressed the fact that not every terrorist is actually a religious fanatic, and that many who are embraced that fanaticism due to things they have experienced.

That is why death is the only treatment for those would would bring destruction to our doorstep.
So we're back to killing every Islamist, and any Islamics who might conceivably become Islamists in the future, along with anyone who might possibly turn to terrorism for other reasons, then?

That's an awful lot of people. Seems it would make more sense to remove or reduce the impetus to turn to terror in the first place; then you only have the hardcore original Islamist/fundamentalist types left to deal with. Much easier.
 

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Colpy said:
TenPenny said:
Jay said:
It is thou shall not murder....

Sorry, it can't be "thou shall not murder", because the GODDAM BIBLE WASN'T WRITTEN IN ENGLISH.

Despite what so many literalists want to believe. Every bible printed in English is SOME PERSON'S VERSION OF WHAT THE ORIGINAL SAYS.

I said it, not Jay.
And you are agreeing with me.
The King James versions and all taken from that say "kill". The oldest scripts say "murder".

It's hard to say, translations sometimes do not achieve the main point of the origional text. A good example would be from marketing class: A translation from English to Chineese; Coca-Cola's slogan "Coke Adds Life" was translated into something like "Coke Brings Your Ancestors Back from the Dead".
 

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Although some Bibles carry the word "kill" it means murder. That is the concept trying to be displayed in the Torah.

For the Israelites to have a "thou shall not kill" law, would have had them all put to death by the hands of their enemies.
 

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Colpy said:
The King James versions and all taken from that say "kill". The oldest scripts say "murder".

So when you drop white phosphorus on people, is that killing or murder? How about if you use DU and the people don't die right away? How about if you use chemicals that kill your own people decades later...is that killing or murdering? Is there extra penance to be done for causing long term suffering?

The intellectual cowardice of parsing words in an attempt to prove that you can do whatever the hell you want and still shine in your own god's eyes strikes me as silly. Either follow your book or quit twisting it to justify your actions.

juan said:
Back in the days when the government paid me money to fly airplanes, we had no wars to go to. We had the cold war but a little thing called MAD gave us nightmares but it kept us safe.

There were more wars though, whether you went to them or not. Most were little skirmishes and proxy wars that we never heard about, but they were there. Some got big, like Vietnam. Some were kind of mysterious, like Cambodia. Most were small, never covered by the media, and never got any peacekeepers or saw any involvement by larger nations. MAD kept us safe, but it was the root cause of many of those wars.



My point is, that the world is a lot more dangerous now than in those days. Our coastline has not gotten any shorter. In fact, with global warming, it has gotten considerably longer. If anything, we need a larger military than we had back then. In 1958 we had about a thousand frontline fighters. We now fly 50 or 60 old F-18s. They are faster than the aircraft I flew but very little fighting is done at supersonic speeds. I believe in peacekeeping, but we need to patrol our borders, on all sides as well. We should spend at least as much on defense as the average G-7 country.

I agree. The world is more dangerous because major powers now feel they can get involved in those small wars and because the world has become a much smaller place. Joining the major powers in wars of imperialism or aiding their imperialism through playing games with aid and trade puts Canadians in much more danger too. Think about all the countries we traded with during the Cold War to our mutual benefit. Think about the good standing that having a reputation as a peacekeeper gave us and how it kept us safe even as it helped to keep others safe.

I've said before (I think on this site somplace) that our military needs to be given a mandate to protect our sovereignty and to act as peacekeepers. Being allied with countries that are encouraging and perpetrating wars is a major mistake.
 

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Rev said:

"So when you drop white phosphorus on people, is that killing or murder? How about if you use DU and the people don't die right away? How about if you use chemicals that kill your own people decades later...is that killing or murdering? Is there extra penance to be done for causing long term suffering?"

I'm sure I don't know. You'll have to ask God. :)
 

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I asked god. He said, "Why are you talking to an imaginary man in the sky?"

"Because they told me to," I replied.

"They're loons," he said, "If I did exist I'd smite them and damn them to eternal suffering."

"Cool," I said.
 

Reverend Blair

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Since it was an imaginary man in the sky, I'd imagine that I was talking to my imagination. Either that or you've really pissed god off.
 

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Kudos to Bill Graham.

He has gottem 4+ Billion dollars to purchase new heavy lift aircraft.

Actually, I have been VERY surprized at Graham's performance in this portfolio. For a Liberal, he has done a good job.

Mind you the Conservatives would do much better.

But that takes nothing away from Graham.
 

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Why don't you ask the Conservatives what happend to the Chinook Helicopters the Canadian Forces used to own?

Mulroney sold them to the Dutch who are now using them in Afghanistan. In fact, one of the short term options for the February Candaian Forces mission in Afghanistan that is desperate for heavy lift helicopters is to borrow them from the Dutch.
 

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LeftCoast said:
Why don't you ask the Conservatives what happend to the Chinook Helicopters the Canadian Forces used to own?

Mulroney sold them to the Dutch who are now using them in Afghanistan. In fact, one of the short term options for the February Candaian Forces mission in Afghanistan that is desperate for heavy lift helicopters is to borrow them from the Dutch.

Yeah, I know.

Disgraceful, isn't it?

I always considered Mulroney a Liberal in a blue suit.

That's why I was a member of the Reform Party.