Liberals are the Most Corrupt Government

RedFred

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Blue Alberta has got it right. Alberta can simply ignore the Federal Government. Alberta can afford to administer its own affairs without this constant interference from Liberal Land. Alberta has very little in common with the rest of Canada. Socially, politically, economically, you name it. Albertans think different yet these eastern biggots running Canada are totally intolerant of the people that choose to raise their families here.

Now do the math. Calculate a Federal budget without the $12 Billion that Alberta contributes more than it receives each year. The Liberal house of cards would crumble once Ontarians would have to start paying for all their wonderful socialist adventures themselves.

Do the math again. Alberta has immense amounts of oil. (Yes, Alberta does, not Canada). Throw back into the Alberta National Budget all the money Albertans send into the black hole called Canada. Alberta also has the most educated workforce anywhere. Most importantly Alberta has the intangibles that the socialist despise and will never understand. Self reliance. Albertans believe that the best social program is a job. We take care of those that cannot take care of themselves. Albertas medical facilities are better and more accessable than anywhere in the rest of Canada. The only thing holding Alberta back is the corrupt Federal Liberals and their never ending intrusions into Alberta affairs.

The most dangerous thing that these corrupt Liberals do is demonize Alberta and Albertans. They do it all the time and especially so during election campaigns. They will do it again. No other province is treated this way by these crooks. These guys talk about unity but under their watch Quebec is in constant crisis and Ontario and the ROC treat Alberta like the British treated Africans during the slave era. Good for the profits but otherwise hold them in contempt.

Yes the Liberals are the most corrupt goverment Canada has ever endured. They keep the country in crisis to stay in power and then pretend to be the only saviour to the crisis they created. The sooner they are forced out of goverment the better off we will all be.
 

Reverend Blair

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By your own accounts, you would only have $20 billion a year more than you have now. That is not enough to run an independent country on. Now, I have no doubt that you would decimate social programs to pay the balance, but that would get you into trouble with the voters. You would also have nobody to blame your problems on, so when you made cuts you could no longer say, "It's Ottawa's fault."
 

ottawabill

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RE: Liberals are the Most

I agree except for the fact that it's simplistic to put this in the terms of Alberta and the ROC. I live in Ontario..and as I said before Eastern Ontario...The attitudes in my next of the woods are rural. Yes a job is the best welfare and if you want to save money DON'T SPEND IT!!! Same as you I hate being called anti Canadian by the Liberals if I don't get on their bandwagon. Am I truley anti Canadian because I think we can do better, better than 6 month wait to see a medical specialist, to not throw money at every program someone can come up with.? The centre and left of this country believe everyone thinks their way and if they don't they must be wanting to join the U.S. We are to shut up and go along for the ride...

The Media also follows this logic and also tells the country that right of center people are crazy religiuos fanatics with..and I love this one...Hiding our Hidden agenda as if anything beyond socialism is dictatorship.

Create non existant enemies of the country to focus peoples attention away from the real problems...Didn't Hitler do that one??
 

RedFred

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My appologies Ottawabill. I guess all I see is the hords of Liberals in Ottawa from Ontario and get the impression all are insane. Your analogies are correct. The Liberals do need a boogie man out there and I guess they chose hard working ,free spirited, taxpaying, net contibuting Albertans to scare the socialist massess. I guess thats what happens when one party controls the house, the senate, the judiciary and the media.

Your openness to alternate ideas, instead of the official government line, is the only hope for Canada.
 

ottawabill

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RE: Liberals are the Most

It's this statusquo attitude that drives my up the wall.
If there is a better way to administer health care..why are we (collective we) so scared to look at it. I don't think the U.S. has a great system but it is working better then ours..hey so is Ireland..what's wrong with opening your eyes to what can be done... This country could be great but all these losser goverments and attitudes keep that from happening. The biggest issue is always Quebec..damn, you know I like Quebec I'd like them to stay but if all thats going to happen is 300 years of whining tell them to leave!!! This country has to grown up and smarten up. No military..whining about American's and praising a health care system that only Cuba and North Korea us as a model. Heaven help us!!!
 

RedFred

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Power corrupts and abolute power corrupts absolutely.

Sound familiar. That why these sociallists have got to go, They control it all. Don't answer to anyone. (The media makes sure of that)NDP BLOC and Liberals are all the same. Qubec should go. What a ludicrous situation where we have willing captives. It's like the elephant that grows up chained to a peg. After a while you can remove the chain because the elephant is afraid to go out on its own and believes there is no other way. For crying out loud. Quebec has its own language culture and history. It has an abundance of resources and is well positioned geographically. Time for Quebec to grow up and move out.

Why don't they. Because the socialists have made that whole nation afraid and dependant. Qubecers believe they cannot stand on their own because the NDP Liberals and the Bloc (who are only there to ensure the money keeps flowing in) keep imposing defeatist socialism on their population.
 

bluealberta

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peapod said:
Blue alberta and mattyloo

Here is some marmalade for your toast, you two come here today and perform around here like you did last night, you will be burnt toast! I am not warning you anymore, consider this the last time. Next time...your banned! Have nice day 8)

Where and when? What did either of us do to get that?
 

bluealberta

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Reverend Blair said:
By your own accounts, you would only have $20 billion a year more than you have now. That is not enough to run an independent country on. Now, I have no doubt that you would decimate social programs to pay the balance, but that would get you into trouble with the voters. You would also have nobody to blame your problems on, so when you made cuts you could no longer say, "It's Ottawa's fault."

I said $20billion more than what we already have. The Fed Tax would stay in Alberta. Our portion of federal programs would stay in Alberta. Revenues will increase with the oilsands. No one is proposing decimating social programs, and Albertans rarely look to blame anyone unless the blame is deserved, such as when the feds deserved the blame for the NEP.

Would it be hard? Somewhat. But Albertans are usually up to a challenge, especially when the end result would be a marked improvement over the current situation.
 

RedFred

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BlueAlberta, what are you some kind of closet Liberal. Albertans are ALWAYS up to a challenge. That kind of self defeating attitude is just what the socialists prey on. I don't know why we even have this thread. Of course the Liberals are the Most Corrupt Goverment. They have to be or they will all get thrown in jail.

Who cares about what these villains think about Alberta. They don't like Albertans and just like a union when a plant shuts down, they will be gone when the oils gone. Blue you seem to believe that these lefties are capable of inteligent debate but your either wrong or falling into the trap of their mentality. These people only want to control the money. Thats it. They will seize all of Albertas wealth until Albertans are dependant on them. Then they will turn their backs on all Albertans.

Smell the coffee Blue. Debating the obvious with these people is a total waste of time.
 

bluealberta

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RedFred said:
BlueAlberta, what are you some kind of closet Liberal. Albertans are ALWAYS up to a challenge. That kind of self defeating attitude is just what the socialists prey on. I don't know why we even have this thread. Of course the Liberals are the Most Corrupt Goverment. They have to be or they will all get thrown in jail.

Who cares about what these villains think about Alberta. They don't like Albertans and just like a union when a plant shuts down, they will be gone when the oils gone. Blue you seem to believe that these lefties are capable of inteligent debate but your either wrong or falling into the trap of their mentality. These people only want to control the money. Thats it. They will seize all of Albertas wealth until Albertans are dependant on them. Then they will turn their backs on all Albertans.

Smell the coffee Blue. Debating the obvious with these people is a total waste of time.

Ah, the welcome sight of right wing sarcasm. I just get tired of people slamming Alberta with one hand while having the other hand in our pockets. If there was any kind of recognition from the ROC about the contributions that Alberta provides this country, then perhaps Albertans would not feel the way they do. Regrettably, I don't see that happening, basically its just shut up and send the money.

And you are right, the Libs win the corruption trophy. What trophy? Why a cookie jar with a hand in it, of course. :twisted:
 

bluealberta

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Re: RE: Liberals are the Most

no1important said:
I see Grewal tape controversy driving down Canada's global corruption ranking : Here

Thats really sad, isn't it. To go from fifth to 12th to ??? now is an indictment of all our politicians. Maybe more important, it is an indictment of Canadian citizens who seem to have no problem with this kind of crap. If we would not put up with it, it would not happen as much, so we really have no one to blame but ourselves. Until we stand up and say enough, you can't do this anymore, we will continue to fall in this category. What a shame.
 

no1important

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RE: Liberals are the Most

Between the Liberals and Conservatives we will soon be reguarded as a third world gong show, if these "scandals" and "controversies" continue.

My wish would be for me people to muster up the courage to vote NDP next time, as hopefully they can clean the mess up caused by the big two parties.

But Federal politics has been a lot more interesting and entertaining recently then it has for years.
 

bluealberta

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Re: RE: Liberals are the Most

no1important said:
Between the Liberals and Conservatives we will soon be reguarded as a third world gong show, if these "scandals" and "controversies" continue.

My wish would be for me people to muster up the courage to vote NDP next time, as hopefully they can clean the mess up caused by the big two parties.

But Federal politics has been a lot more interesting and entertaining recently then it has for years.

I think "soon" has arrived and left. And you are right, politics is a lot of fun now. Frustrating as hell, but interesting and fun at the same time. Maybe Canada needed something to get the passion going about politics. My two daughters, who have only had a passing interest in politics as they graduated from high school are now asking questions. In order to be fair, I have shown both of them this forum so they get another view besides mine. Now THAT has been interesting. 8)
 

peapod

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Man you guys from alberta are bad at playing games 8O Okay I will guess?? bash the moderators time. Look I am going to demand a plate of cheese if I have to keep reading these whines.
 

bluealberta

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Re: RE: Liberals are the Most

Vanni Fucci said:
bluealberta said:
In order to be fair, I have shown both of them this forum so they get another view besides mine. Now THAT has been interesting. 8)

So you've told them about Uncle Vanni then?

:lol: :lol:

Sure I let them read your posts. I would tell you what they said, but I would probably get banned :lol: 8) :wink:

Actually, using other opinions besides mine makes them think and come up with their own ideas and opinions. I also encourage them to read the papers and listen to news, both CBC (shudder) and CTV, as well as international news like BBC, CNN, and World CNN.
 

bluealberta

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peapod said:
Man you guys from alberta are bad at playing games 8O Okay I will guess?? bash the moderators time. Look I am going to demand a plate of cheese if I have to keep reading these whines.

Okay, in all honesty, I have no idea what the hell you are talking about.
 

Gordon J Torture

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Sound familiar. That why these sociallists have got to go.

How can they "go", when they are not here to begin with?

There are no "socialists" in the Canadian government, but only self proclaimed socialists that really do not have a clue what they are.