Liberals are the Most Corrupt Government

[mattyaloo]

Re: RE: Liberals are the Most

Yeah, I think that the Liberal government has a pretty shoddy record on corruption but I will go as far as to say its also a systemic problem.

Most of the checks and balances in our system have been phased out. It has been up to the very offenders of these types of of currupt policies who have been given the large portion of the responsibility in solving the problems.

Couple this with the fact that Canada is basically a one party state then it is just an even greater recipe for disaster. I wouldn't be too upset though for those who despair; one party dominance especially corrupt doy its very nature is going to die eventually. Its just a question of when and how.

Somethin' real bad has got to happen to Ontario. Real bad. Then they'll wake up. We've gotta catch Paul Martin giving away the CN tower to a Toronto Ad agency for kickbacks....

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Liberals are the Most

So, Blue, you came up with four scandals during the Chretien Martin years. The HRDC thing wasn't really a matter of corruption either...just incompetence, but whatever. Francis Fox doesn't count unless you want us to go back to Diefenbaker.

You listed 12 for the Conservatives.

You are extremely critical when Liberals get off from their charges, but you consider the charges being dropped against Conservatives to be complete exoneration. You try to minimize the Conservative transgressions (oh it was just a strip club) without taking into account the times (it was during the Cold War, he may or may not have had sensitive papers with him, may have had a "liason" with a stripper, and was leaving himself open to blackmail).

Not to mention that you missed quite a few on both sides.

Nice try at spin buddy, but the Mulroney government was more corrupt than the Chretien/Martin governments. Go pick up a book called "On the Take".

Still, nobody here is claiming the Liberals are scandal free and I don't see anybody saying that we should all vote Liberal.

BTW, I hear your buddy Grumant is in trouble with Air Canada now too. Harper still hasn't got the balls to fire him. Do you have any idea how stupid you have to be to get in trouble with Air Canada? Thousands of people fly absolutely wasted every single day, and they don't get in trouble.

I listed what was on the site going back to 1978. Why I listed the conservatives one at a time was to show the hypocrisy of those who say they were on the take. Most of the charges were dropped without basis in fact. Therefore they were not guilty. Therefore they did nothing wrong.

The Liberals are one continuous scandal, right from 1993 on, so to limit it to four, as you say, may only be the tip of what we know. Given their history, it would not surprise me to find there are a lot more incidents we don't know about.

The real point is that the Liberals and their scandals cost this country billions and billions of dollars. For those of you who want expansion of social programs, I would expect you to lead the charge in wanting to get rid of the bums, just think of the social programs you could have had with the wasted, stolen, and laundered money. The conservative scandals? Other than a couple, not much there. In terms of the seriousnness and costliness, the Liberals win hands down, no argument.

Whatever you may say about Mulroney, he was respected on the world stage, tried to get Quebec to sign on to the constitution, won an election on free trade that is the economic boom to Canada it was meant to be, so much that the Liberals try to claim it as their own (shameful slobs), and brought a hidden adjustable tax out in the open, that has not changed since 1991, just to name a few.

The Libs? Thinking, thinking, oh yeah. Such pressing issues as legalizing prostitution, legalizing pot, SSM, pissing off our largest and best trading partner, daycare, useless and expensive gun registry, to name a few. On the world stage? Nada, nothing, zilch, other than to turn us into semi-democratic third world country.

So, yeah, the Libs are more corrupt and, come to think of it, more incompetent at everything except lying and spinning the truth. Some leadership. :roll: :evil:

 

[Vanni Fucci]

...and what is the sentence that the Crown recommends for women who smoke while pregnant? What is the recommended sentence for tobacco companies for producing the cigarettes that the women are smoking? What is the recommended sentence for the Domo selling the pregnant women her smokes?

huh?

*sigh*

I'm sorry I overestimated your capacity for reason...my point was that it is not illegal for women to smoke while pregnant, ergo the separation of church and state has not been violated...

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Liberals are the Most

The PROVISION of abortions, in your world, should be universal and so is INCLUSIVE. Same sort of way that EVERYONE should be able to sterilize their mentally ill child.

No, that was your one of the more sickening moments of your provincial government...

You should really write Klein a letter asking why he wanted to use the Notwithstanding Clause to keep that one on the books...

Now Vanni you know that is not true, so stop with the spin, okay. You don't want us to get mad, don't goad like that with lies. That was gone a long time ago.

 

[Reverend Blair]

I don't care who pays for them, they qouldn't be there if the government didn't mandate it.

Then why did you say,

then why do they spend taxpayer dollars printing messages on cigarette packages telling pregant women not to smoke because it harms the fetus?

The government either cares what happens to unborn fetuses or doesn't.

They haven't passed a law against pregnant women smoking. The also haven't passed a law against abortion. I fail to see the conflict.

At the risk of offending some on this forum, yes, I have looked into, ever since last years election. Alberta runs surpluses every year in the $8billion dollar range, and if you add the transfer payments of appox. $12billion, that's $20billion per year. There would obviously be some additional initial costs, but in my opinion, Alberta has the financial ability to go it alone, or with a combination of BC, Sask, etc. No one has been able to give me a real reason for belonging to this country we call Canada, other than a bunch of fuzzy feel goods, that mean squat.

Saskatchewan isn't going with you. Neither is BC. There is no advantage for them to be ignored by Calgary instead of Ottawa.

You'll need a military and a police force that can do everything the RCMP does, including at their national crime lab. You'll need some sort of secret service. You'll need to settle land claims with the natives...new treaties, social programs and schools. That's if they'll go with you. Some form of coastguard for your lakes and rivers would be necessary. UN delegates, envoys, ambassadors...an entire foreign service.

Do you really think you can manage all of that for $20 billion a year?

 

[peapod]

torture said:
"Yup, what pisses me off is they actually pretend to care about social issues. At least Conservatives openly admit they don't give a shit. Honesty is a virtue after all."

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: My goodness ain't that the truth :lol:

 

[mattyaloo]

Re: RE: Liberals are the Most

The PROVISION of abortions, in your world, should be universal and so is INCLUSIVE. Same sort of way that EVERYONE should be able to sterilize their mentally ill child.

No, that was your one of the more sickening moments of your provincial government...

You should really write Klein a letter asking why he wanted to use the Notwithstanding Clause to keep that one on the books...

um that was in like the 50's wasn't it? I don't think Ralph was Premier then. And where the heck did you hear that about the NWithsanding clause??!!! You guys'll really buy anything out there in hogtown eh? But the interesting thing here is: See some people agreed with that policy, and you find it sickening....is it sinking in that other people might find abortion on demand sickening? and that you don't have the monopoly on the "right" opinion. THAT is my point. I know it's hard to grasp because central canada has never EVER listened to the opinions of the rest of Canada, but they do exist and you ain't necessarily RIGHT...

 

[peapod]

You don't speak for the west either mattyloo. In fact I doubt if you speak for most albertians....psssst have you noticed the influx of bc'ers moving to the land of plenty...uh huh...there coming, and lord thunderin jesus! they will cast their vote 8) perhaps your kind are just hanging onto a dying horse. *whistles and looks around the room*

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Liberals are the Most

I listed what was on the site going back to 1978. Why I listed the conservatives one at a time was to show the hypocrisy of those who say they were on the take. Most of the charges were dropped without basis in fact. Therefore they were not guilty. Therefore they did nothing wrong.

...and when Dosanjh and Murphy are "exonerated", it too will be because there was no basis in fact...get it?

The real point is that the Liberals and their scandals cost this country billions and billions of dollars.

How many lives were put in jeopardy with the Liberal scandals? I mean other than Dezainde whining that Morelli was going to beat him up... :lol:

Whatever you may say about Mulroney, he was respected on the world stage, tried to get Quebec to sign on to the constitution,

By alienating the First Nations...nice try Brian... :roll:

 

[bluealberta]

torture said:
"Yup, what pisses me off is they actually pretend to care about social issues. At least Conservatives openly admit they don't give a shit. Honesty is a virtue after all."

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: My goodness ain't that the truth :lol:

Honesty is a virtue. His statement about the conservatives is a lie.So Torture is not very virtuous. :roll:

 

[mattyaloo]

I don't care who pays for them, they qouldn't be there if the government didn't mandate it.

Then why did you say,

then why do they spend taxpayer dollars printing messages on cigarette packages telling pregant women not to smoke because it harms the fetus?

The government either cares what happens to unborn fetuses or doesn't.

They haven't passed a law against pregnant women smoking. The also haven't passed a law against abortion. I fail to see the conflict.

At the risk of offending some on this forum, yes, I have looked into, ever since last years election. Alberta runs surpluses every year in the $8billion dollar range, and if you add the transfer payments of appox. $12billion, that's $20billion per year. There would obviously be some additional initial costs, but in my opinion, Alberta has the financial ability to go it alone, or with a combination of BC, Sask, etc. No one has been able to give me a real reason for belonging to this country we call Canada, other than a bunch of fuzzy feel goods, that mean squat.

Saskatchewan isn't going with you. Neither is BC. There is no advantage for them to be ignored by Calgary instead of Ottawa.

You'll need a military and a police force that can do everything the RCMP does, including at their national crime lab. You'll need some sort of secret service. You'll need to settle land claims with the natives...new treaties, social programs and schools. That's if they'll go with you. Some form of coastguard for your lakes and rivers would be necessary. UN delegates, envoys, ambassadors...an entire foreign service.

Do you really think you can manage all of that for $20 billion a year?

Well, using the old Liberal math, no. But we actually watch our money out here, we don't give it to quebec ad firms and literally LOSE it "Billion dollar boondoggle" or waste it on gun registration. See, government isn't a way of life out here. Hey bub, wake up and smell the oil: we finance the WHOLE COUNTRY right now. And that INCLUDES lining your Liberal pals pockets. Plus, BC would go. Absolutely. We are already talking alliance out here. Do the math dude: We send out more than we get back. Which logically means we could pay for more services than we do right now. And by the way, the oilsands revenues are just BEGINNING to pour in...

And I am not going to explain the abortion thing to you a fourth time.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Liberals are the Most

um that was in like the 50's wasn't it? I don't think Ralph was Premier then.

Maybe you should write him about the substandard education you've received, as well...

http://www.religioustolerance.org/sep_cs_can.htm

Alberta: The provincial government passed a Sexual Sterilization Act in 1928 (5 years before Germany). From 1929-OCT to 1972-FEB, 2,832 sterilization procedures were performed in the province. "Some of the people considered "unfit" to bear children were new immigrants, alcoholics, epileptics, unwed mothers, the poor and native people." 1 By 1998-MAR, almost 750 victims had initiated suits against the government. On 1998-MAR-10, the Alberta legislature introduced Bill 26 which would have used the "not withstanding" clause to override the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Massive outcries from an enraged public and media motivated the government to withdraw the bill the next day.

So...1998 was a long time ago?

 

[mattyaloo]

torture said:
"Yup, what pisses me off is they actually pretend to care about social issues. At least Conservatives openly admit they don't give a shit. Honesty is a virtue after all."

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: My goodness ain't that the truth :lol:

Honesty is a virtue. His statement about the conservatives is a lie.So Torture is not very virtuous. :roll:

Where do you come up with this? Where have the conservatives said they don't give a shit about social issuees?

 

[mattyaloo]

Re: RE: Liberals are the Most

um that was in like the 50's wasn't it? I don't think Ralph was Premier then.

Maybe you should write him about the substandard education you've received, as well...

http://www.religioustolerance.org/sep_cs_can.htm

Alberta: The provincial government passed a Sexual Sterilization Act in 1928 (5 years before Germany). From 1929-OCT to 1972-FEB, 2,832 sterilization procedures were performed in the province. "Some of the people considered "unfit" to bear children were new immigrants, alcoholics, epileptics, unwed mothers, the poor and native people." 1 By 1998-MAR, almost 750 victims had initiated suits against the government. On 1998-MAR-10, the Alberta legislature introduced Bill 26 which would have used the "not withstanding" clause to override the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Massive outcries from an enraged public and media motivated the government to withdraw the bill the next day.

cute. at least my education tought me to think outside the lib box

 

[mattyaloo]

Re: RE: Liberals are the Most

um that was in like the 50's wasn't it? I don't think Ralph was Premier then.

Maybe you should write him about the substandard education you've received, as well...

http://www.religioustolerance.org/sep_cs_can.htm

Alberta: The provincial government passed a Sexual Sterilization Act in 1928 (5 years before Germany). From 1929-OCT to 1972-FEB, 2,832 sterilization procedures were performed in the province. "Some of the people considered "unfit" to bear children were new immigrants, alcoholics, epileptics, unwed mothers, the poor and native people." 1 By 1998-MAR, almost 750 victims had initiated suits against the government. On 1998-MAR-10, the Alberta legislature introduced Bill 26 which would have used the "not withstanding" clause to override the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Massive outcries from an enraged public and media motivated the government to withdraw the bill the next day.

cute. at least my education tought me to think outside the lib box

so the gov listened to the electorate and did the right thing...IMAGINE THAT!!! why won't Paul do the same and call an ELECTION!!!

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Liberals are the Most

so the gov listened to the electorate and did the right thing...IMAGINE THAT!!! why won't Paul do the same and call an ELECTION!!!

I guess reading polls is a bit of a task for you too, what with all the letters and the numbers and more letters...

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Liberals are the Most

so the gov listened to the electorate and did the right thing...IMAGINE THAT!!! why won't Paul do the same and call an ELECTION!!!

I guess reading polls is a bit of a task for you too, what with all the letters and the numbers and more letters...

i wonder why that didn't get edited as a personal attack. Just wondering. :wink:

 

[mattyaloo]

Re: RE: Liberals are the Most

so the gov listened to the electorate and did the right thing...IMAGINE THAT!!! why won't Paul do the same and call an ELECTION!!!

I guess reading polls is a bit of a task for you too, what with all the letters and the numbers and more letters...

You know, there's no accounting for stupidity in Ontario. At least I have the wherewithal to recognize when the federal government steals money out of my pocket and uses it to buy votes and line their friends pockets.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Liberals are the Most

so the gov listened to the electorate and did the right thing...IMAGINE THAT!!! why won't Paul do the same and call an ELECTION!!!

I guess reading polls is a bit of a task for you too, what with all the letters and the numbers and more letters...

You know, there's no accounting for stupidity in Ontario. At least I have the wherewithal to recognize when the federal government steals money out of my pocket and uses it to buy votes and line their friends pockets.

Ditto.

 

[mattyaloo]

If you aren't a socialist when you are young, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you get older,you have no mind.
--Winston Churchill

Hey girlfriend-- weren't we talking about representative democracy? How's we get onto Sterilized Babies. Oh yea, I used it as an analogy for abortion. Oh gosh somehow the Libs have AGAIN got us all talking about the evils of the right wing when we started off talking about how they don't accept anyone elses opinion... Surprised? No. Ujhal Dosanj tries to bribe and MP and they've got everyone distracted on 2 seconds of edited tape.