Liberals and NDP In Bed with the Bloc

[bluealberta]

The tapes will tell. The tapes with missing segments are copies for the media. The RCMP have the originals. Give your head a shake. You heard what was said. If you continue to support a regimethat acts this way you must be profiting from it in some way. As Canadas reputation is smeared by these clowns you just look the other way. Shame.

That's okay, Red, they also keep claiming the Mulroney government was the most corrupt in history, as some sort of blind excuse for what the libs are now doing. There were only one or two actual cases against the Mulroney governement, the rest of the so-called corruption were allegations that were found to be without evidence, or the charges were dropped as they lacked foundation. The difference, of course, is that even the ministers in the Mulroney govt who were falsely accused, stepped aside while the investigation was going on, something the arrogant libs refuse to do, and with apologists like we see on this forum, no wonder they don't step aside, people like that keep buying their crap, and somehow try to blame the conservatives. Funny, watching an unbiased media show like Question Period this morning, there that program had no doubt offers were made, and were incredulous when no one would step aside while the investigation proceeded.

Is the RCMP credible? Used to be, but seeing as how they are up to their tunics in the Adscam, there is some doubt about their ability to be unbiased.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Liberals and NDP In B

That's really the worst part about this, Vanni. The tapes are inadmissible as evidence now. The Liberals won't get caught again either.

That's likely why the Conservatives were so reluctant to give up the tapes in the first place...they knew that they wouldn't withstand scrutiny.

Would you two like to be alone for a while? :wink:

 

[The Philosopher]

The thing is that we all knew they were just as corrupt, Vanni. It's funny that Blue mentioned Mulroney...Harper was a policy advisor to Mulroney. He was part of the most corrupt government this country has ever seen, although not an elected member.

Er.... you may have that wrong. Harper WAS NOT the policy advisor to Mulrooney. In fact he was only a parliamentary secretary to Jim Hawkes. IF he in fact did have any influence on policy for the PCs wouldn't you think they would be completely different? His role with Mulrooney was minimal.

When Preston Manning created the Reform Party in 1987, Manning asked Harper to jump over and become his policy advisor. Harper has NO connection to Brian Mulrooney. He only had a small post as a secretary.

He was also a member of the Young Liberals when Trudeau was in power, do you want to tell me that he developed Trudeau's policies as well?

 

[bluealberta]

The thing is that we all knew they were just as corrupt, Vanni. It's funny that Blue mentioned Mulroney...Harper was a policy advisor to Mulroney. He was part of the most corrupt government this country has ever seen, although not an elected member.

Er.... you may have that wrong. Harper WAS NOT the policy advisor to Mulrooney. In fact he was only a parliamentary secretary to Jim Hawkes. IF he in fact did have any influence on policy for the PCs wouldn't you think they would be completely different? His role with Mulrooney was minimal.

When Preston Manning created the Reform Party in 1987, Manning asked Harper to jump over and become his policy advisor. Harper has NO connection to Brian Mulrooney. He only had a small post as a secretary.

He was also a member of the Young Liberals when Trudeau was in power, do you want to tell me that he developed Trudeau's policies as well?

Thanks for the correct history, I wondered about the claim he was policy advisor to Mulroney. I knew he was with the party in some capacity, just not sure where.

 

[Reverend Blair]

The tapes will tell. The tapes with missing segments are copies for the media. The RCMP have the originals. Give your head a shake. You heard what was said. If you continue to support a regimethat acts this way you must be profiting from it in some way. As Canadas reputation is smeared by these clowns you just look the other way. Shame.

Grewal, Harper, and Norquay have all said that the tapes that have been released are all the tapes there are. Were they lying when they said that? To what end?

They held onto the tapes for two weeks. Why? What were they doing with the tapes in that time? Why didn't they go directly to the RCMP and/or the Ethics Commissioner?

We did hear what was said. What is unclear is the order and context that it was said in. What is clear is that tapes that have been edited are not generally admissible as evidence. It's one of those technicalities you law and order types are always complaining about. Of course if you'd follow the rules, such technicalities wouldn't catch you out.

Trying to change the subject again, Blue? You should at least be accurate when you do. Mulroney's government is the most corrupt. I guess getting off on technicalities is okay when they're your boys though.

Mike Duffy's Question Period is far from unbiased. The whole thing leans so far to the right that it's in constant danger of tipping over.

 

[bluealberta]

The tapes will tell. The tapes with missing segments are copies for the media. The RCMP have the originals. Give your head a shake. You heard what was said. If you continue to support a regimethat acts this way you must be profiting from it in some way. As Canadas reputation is smeared by these clowns you just look the other way. Shame.

Grewal, Harper, and Norquay have all said that the tapes that have been released are all the tapes there are. Were they lying when they said that? To what end?

They held onto the tapes for two weeks. Why? What were they doing with the tapes in that time? Why didn't they go directly to the RCMP and/or the Ethics Commissioner?

They were putting them on CD's, you know that.

We did hear what was said. What is unclear is the order and context that it was said in. What is clear is that tapes that have been edited are not generally admissible as evidence. It's one of those technicalities you law and order types are always complaining about. Of course if you'd follow the rules, such technicalities wouldn't catch you out.

Order has nothing to do with it, if offers were made at the start or the end, they are still offers.

Trying to change the subject again, Blue? You should at least be accurate when you do. Mulroney's government is the most corrupt. I guess getting off on technicalities is okay when they're your boys though.

You brought Mulroney up, I responded. Getting off on technicalities? Spin again. They were not the most corrupt, the Libs from 1993 to today hold that record, and will go down in history as the most sleazy corrupt government in Canadian history, your spin notwithstanding (gee that's a nice word :twisted: )

Mike Duffy's Question Period is far from unbiased. The whole thing leans so far to the right that it's in constant danger of tipping over.

Actually, Mike was not on today. Sorry for the bubble burst.

 

[Reverend Blair]

They were putting them on CD's, you know that.

Bull. That doesn't take two weeks. Besides, had they simply given the tapes to the RCMP, it would have been done in a matter of hours.

Order has nothing to do with it, if offers were made at the start or the end, they are still offers.

Order has everything to do with it. So does context.

Actually, Mike was not on today. Sorry for the bubble burst.

The show is still right leaning, whther Duffy sits his fat ass in the chair or hires somebody to fill in for him.

Harper WAS NOT the policy advisor to Mulrooney. In fact he was only a parliamentary secretary to Jim Hawkes. IF he in fact did have any influence on policy for the PCs wouldn't you think they would be completely different? His role with Mulrooney was minimal.

He was a policy advisor in the Mulroney government...a backroom boy in a government filled with corruption and scandal. His title and his immediate boss don't matter. The question was whether was a connection between the Mulroney government and the present-day incarnation of Conservative corruption. There is.

Harper has NO connection to Brian Mulrooney.

And yet he publicly lauded Mulroney for his advice at the recent CPC convention.

 

[RedFred]

Here's some more material since the neo lefties can't come up with their own. Let me make this simple so you people can understand. The NDP the Liberals and the Bloc are birds of a feather. They are all extreme leftist parties. Their only purpose is to impose socialism on the Canada. They would destroy Canada rather than let outsiders into their elitist lives. Their actions created the Bloc and Reform. While wrapping themselves in the flag they go about ripping off some provinces (Alberta) and at the same time keep others eternally dependant on them (maritimes). This is the way it will always be with these socialist. They can't stand succes as it destoys the myth they have created. Canada, with the second largest land mass and resources in the world, and a population of some 33 million should be rich beyond belief. Instead we are told to expect unemployment over 10% in many parts of the country. Garbage! These socialists are destroying this country. The liberals have created Qubec separatism, western aienation, and maritime and Quebec poverty. What is their hidden agenda? They fear the conservatives so much that they resort to lies to discredit them. Actually when they demonize conservatives, they are showing their contempt for the MILLIONS of Canadians that voted for them. Nice show of national unity. Vanni, REV, you are corrupt. You defend criminals for your own political convenience. You also denigrate hard working decent family oriented, LAW ABIDING Canadians. Quit ignoring the obvious and quit making excuses for these thugs. The Liberals and their cohorts, the Bloc and NDP, are immoral. I have a tough time explaining to my children about ethics and Canadian values after they read the paper and watch the news. The conbservatives have a clean slate. Grewal is only guilty of exposing the Liberals for what they are. They don't like that. That's when they get vicious. The hidden agenda? Belindas got that.

If you love Canada and your children remove these scoundrels from office. If you love corruption at the highest levels vote socialist. It doesn' matter which party. They're all in bed together

 

[peapod]

*dabs eyes* I, I am so moved, I dunno what to say, expect what time is trailer park boys on tonight??

 

[RedFred]

There you left wing nuts go again. I gave you enough to go with but surprise suprise you got nothing. How about showing me where I am wrong. You can't do it without name calling and lies.

 

[peapod]

You did not say anything...ergo my answer :idea:

 

[RedFred]

OH I'm sorry. Imeant to include Peapod

 

[bluealberta]

*dabs eyes* I, I am so moved, I dunno what to say, expect what time is trailer park boys on tonight??

So, Pea, where was Red wrong? There is a lot of truth in his post, especially the socialistic part. Thats the beauty of socialism for those who follow it: Keep people subservient to you, then hand out the odd crumb here or there so the serfs feel grateful. Maybe that is why Albertans dislike socialism and socialists so much: We refuse to be subservient, and we get no crumbs from the elite. Instead, we have our own cake, and we all get pieces of it, instead of crumbs. And we share with the rest of Canada, even though the ROC loves to take shots at us. I get asked a lot on this forum what happens when the oil is gone (it will be at least another 200 years, according to the last stat I saw). My question back is: What will Canada do if Alberta ever does go? Who will replace that $9 - $12 billion per year in transfer payments we provide now? If we can keep the transfer payments, we can invest for the future and that inevitable day when oil is no longer the engine of our economy. Before anyone says that Alberta was once a have not province, that is true, back in the early 50's. I think we have paid our share and more back already, so that is a moot point.

Anyway, I would like a response to Fred, because he is on to something there.

 

[peapod]

that's better. While your here behave yourself. You have something to say about the left post it without your name calling, show us anything is possible.

 

[peapod]

For the last time lawnmower, we are not going to tolerate name calling around here by any political party. Redfern can make his point without calling vanni and the rev corrupt. Now what part of this do you not understand???

 

[RedFred]

Finally a voice of reason. That's a very good point. When the oil is gone, if we follow the socialists, Alberta would be broke and without oil. That's the whole socialist ideology. As Blue says they want to keep the population subwervient to them. BLO/NDP/LIBERAL. No difference. That's why they vote together.

 

[I think not]

Sounds like Blue got some Albertan support. :wink:

 

[Vanni Fucci]

They can't stand succes as it destoys the myth they have created. Canada, with the second largest land mass and resources in the world, and a population of some 33 million should be rich beyond belief.

Does that include the guy that collects your garbage? Does that include the person that cashes out your groceries? Does that include the person that pumps your gas? Does that include the person that delivers your morning paper? Would they be rich beyond belief Fred?

Instead we are told to expect unemployment over 10% in many parts of the country. Garbage! These socialists are destroying this country. The liberals have created Qubec separatism, western aienation, and maritime and Quebec poverty.

Which is why I'd never vote for these clowns...but calling them socialist is clearly disingenuous. The Martin government is just as conservative as it is socialist, and if anything, Martin himself is a neocon hack...

What is their hidden agenda? They fear the conservatives so much that they resort to lies to discredit them.

Actually, they do a fine enough job of discrediting themselves...the Liberals are just quick to point it out...

Actually when they demonize conservatives, they are showing their contempt for the MILLIONS of Canadians that voted for them.

So how are the Liberals to blame for your irresponsible voting practices?

Vanni, REV, you are corrupt. You defend criminals for your own political convenience.

I'm not defending anyone. I'm stating that Grewal, and anyone who had any inkling what he was up to, are just a corrupt as the Liberals that are involved in that affair. Tampering of evidence to frame a parlementarian, whether the allegations are true or not, is an indictable offense, and should be investigated, and charges should be laid on the guilty parties. Due to the fact that they tapes, should a court prove that they have been altered, will be inadmissible as evidence against the Liberals, the only people that will pay are the Conservatives that were involved.

You also denigrate hard working decent family oriented, LAW ABIDING Canadians.

I'm not denigrating anyone, I leave that to the bigotry of the Conservatives...and you know nothing of me, yet you are suggesting that you are harder working, more family oriented, or law abiding than I...I find that quite offensive...

The conbservatives have a clean slate.

They have nothing of the sort...since the advent of the Reform Party, they have been proponents of the most socially regressive policies this country has ever witnessed...hidden agenda? Just because they are now maintaining a centrist posture to get elected, does not mean that they would not revert back to their Reformist vision if ever that unhappy day were to occur...

If you love Canada and your children remove these scoundrels from office. If you love corruption at the highest levels vote socialist. It doesn' matter which party. They're all in bed together

I defy you to show one instance of corruption brought about by Layton's NDP...

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Sounds like Blue got some Albertan support. :wink:

Yeah...lucky us...

 

[Reverend Blair]

The conbservatives have a clean slate.

They don't even have a clean slate as the CPC. They let Cargill with contempt of parliament. They tried to buy off Chuck Cadman. They are now involved in Grewalgate. Of course Grewal has been in trouble before. Demanding a deposit from constituents before he'd do his job. Lying about his dealings in Liberia. Harper stood by Gurmant through that display of corruption.

Now if the CPC is managing to be corrupt without even gaining power, what would they be like if they were in charge? It boggles the mind.