Liberals admit huge defeat in Quebec.

[Breakthrough2006]

Liberal outlook grim in Quebec: leaked memo
Last Updated Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:53:24 EST
CBC News
The Quebec wing of the federal Liberal party believes it could lose a lot of ground in the province, including three current cabinet ministers who could lose their seats, according to an internal party memo accidentally leaked on Wednesday.

The party accidentally e-mailed the memo to reporters on Wednesday, inadvertently sending what was meant to be confidential information to scores of Blackberry wireless devices.

The memo paints a grim picture for the Liberals in the province. The party believes at this point that it can only count on winning 10 ridings. Another 20, the memo suggests, could go to either the Liberals or the Bloc Québécois.

Among the ridings the memo suggests could go either way, 11 are currently held by Liberals, and those include the seats of cabinet ministers Liza Frulla, Pierre Pettigrew and Jean Lapierre.

By suggesting they are only in competition for a maximum of 30 seats, the Liberals are apparently writing off 45 of the province's 75.

The Bloc won 54 of those seats in 2004. The Liberal memo suggests the party thinks the sovereigntist party could win as many as 65 – a devastating prospect for an election the Liberals have framed in the province as a referendum on national unity.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Liberals admit huge d

That's 10 more than the Conservatives can count on winning in Quebec.

 

[Jay]

"The Liberal memo suggests the party thinks the sovereigntist party could win as many as 65 – a devastating prospect for an election the Liberals have framed in the province as a referendum on national unity"


Isn't that the truth....

 

[the caracal kid]

Given that the bloc has stronger and more trustworthy leadership than the other parties it should come as no surprise. I would vote bloc if i could and i am at the other end of the country not because i desire canada to break apart but because i find the bloc the best party on all issues other than separation.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Liberals admit huge d

I'm not sure that once you get below Duceppe that they are any better, Caracal. Duceppe does have integrity though, and he's a hell of a good politician.

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: Liberals admit huge d

I'm not sure that once you get below Duceppe that they are any better, Caracal. Duceppe does have integrity though, and he's a hell of a good politician.

He is isn't he? I've always secretly thought that, although never said it out loud.

Wrong party though.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Liberals admit huge d

Quebec has a long tradition of producing excellent politicians, Said, whether you agree with them or not. That's why so many of our PMs come from there.

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Liberals admit huge d

I'm not sure that once you get below Duceppe that they are any better, Caracal. Duceppe does have integrity though, and he's a hell of a good politician.

He is isn't he? I've always secretly thought that, although never said it out loud.

Wrong party though.

I liked Lucien Buchard too.

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: Liberals admit huge d

Quebec has a long tradition of producing excellent politicians, Said, whether you agree with them or not. That's why so many of our PMs come from there.

Why is almot every response from you in lecture form? :director:

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: Liberals admit huge d

I'm not sure that once you get below Duceppe that they are any better, Caracal. Duceppe does have integrity though, and he's a hell of a good politician.

He is isn't he? I've always secretly thought that, although never said it out loud.

Wrong party though.

I liked Lucien Buchard too.

I liked Levesque's presentation for some reason. Every once in a while I check out his old interviews and speaches from the CBC archives.

 

[Numure]

RE: Liberals admit huge d

Levesque still brings tears to my eyes for some of his speachs. He was that kind of politician. True at heart.

Duceppe and Lucien Bouchard are both, awsome politicians. Though Lucian left, Duceppe still holds alot of promise to fight the next referendum.

Anyways, liberals are out. And with Charest newest political screw up for this years christmas, expect it to scrub on the Federal Liberals too.

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: Liberals admit huge d

Levesque still brings tears to my eyes for some of his speachs. He was that kind of politician. True at heart.

Duceppe and Lucien Bouchard are both, awsome politicians. Though Lucian left, Duceppe still holds alot of promise to fight the next referendum.

Anyways, liberals are out. And with Charest newest political screw up for this years christmas, expect it to scrub on the Federal Liberals too.

I liked Levesque as well. He would stand there with a smoke hanging out of his mouth, his hair standing straight up, shrug, and tell you exactly what he thought. No BS. (Born in New Brunswick, you know. Not a Quebecois at all. :lol: )

I like and respect Duceppe as well, especially since learning he actually lived up to his Marxist ideas, wrong as they were. Even Harper, after working with him in the House, says Duceppe does exactly what he tells you he will do (unlike Layton).

Never did like Bouchard, though.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Even Harper, after working with him in the House, says Duceppe does exactly what he tells you he will do (unlike Layton).

Harper says all kinds of things. If his lips are moving, he's lying.

 

[Breakthrough2006]

That's 10 more than the Conservatives can count on winning in Quebec.

The Conservatives don't need to win seats in Quebec to eek out a minority government, the Liberals do.

For every seat that goes Bloc, is one seat the "Liberals" lose. If even the Liberals feel that they can only win 10-15 seats means that in reality, they will win 5-10.

By the way. At least the CPC have a shot at winning a seat or two unlike the NDP.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Liberals admit huge d

If the Conservatives get a minority, we'll be facing two elections in 2006. Harper's policies are at odds with all three of the other parties and he has already shown himself to be incapable of compromising.

 

[Breakthrough2006]

If the Conservatives get a minority, we'll be facing two elections in 2006. Harper's policies are at odds with all three of the other parties and he has already shown himself to be incapable of compromising.

Same ol, same ol. I hope to God that they defeat a Conservative minority in the first month so that the Conservatives return with a solid majority.

Judging from the debate tonight, it was clear that it is the Liberals that are at odds with all three parties.

 

[no1important]

RE: Liberals admit huge d

Same ol, same ol. I hope to God that they defeat a Conservative minority in the first month so that the Conservatives return with a solid majority.

If we had two elections in 2006 the second one would be a Liberal majority. The more the west supports the tories the higher the liberals go up in ontario.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Liberals admit huge d

That's true No1. Harper's people will piss a lot of Canadians off very quickly if they get into office. So will promises, because he won't be able to pass a lot of them. His daycare plan won't go through. His GST cut won't got through. His SSM marriage bill won't go through.

 

[Calberty]

There won't be an election in 2006 if the CPC wins a minority. Unlikely an election until the CPC pulls their own plug in 3 years or so.

Why would the Bloq defeat a minority conservative governmnet? The fate of the government will be entirely in the BQ's hands. They will win 60 or more seats this election and can't possibly do better in a subsequent election. If Martin is defeated there will be a new Liberal leader and the BQ could only lose seats.

This isn't just my analysis but borrowed from all the commentators I hear of French Radio Canada including Chantelle Hebert and others.

Also, legislation isn't suddenly sprung upon parliament. The CPC aren't going to stupid enough to force the BQ to vote against it in parliament and if there is a piece of legislation defeated, the BQ will not vote against the CPC in a non-confidence vote. Why would they? what would they gain?

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: Liberals admit huge d

That's true No1. Harper's people will piss a lot of Canadians off very quickly if they get into office. So will promises, because he won't be able to pass a lot of them. His daycare plan won't go through. His GST cut won't got through. His SSM marriage bill won't go through.

So let's give him a majority, eh?

Seriously, In a minority government situation, His GST will go through, and I think he could push through the daycare plan as well.

Who would want to run on denying people a cut to the hated GST, or on refusing money to mothers? Especially if they just pulled down a brand new government. That just might get Harper a majority.

You are correct on SSM. It wouldn't pass, but it is not a confidence matter.