Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their heads.

[the caracal kid]

RE: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

No, it is more of a case of slick advertising.

Harper put out his nicy-nice package while keeping the true roots of the party silent and waited for the inattentive electorate to swallow his bait.

Funny how time for change may be all too true, yet the ignoramus electorate consider looking to a right-wing regressive party as "change". If poeple were thinking and wanted change we would see higher numbers for the NDP or Greens, or just plain expression of how the system is a failure. All we see here is how well programmed the meat-robots are!

 

[sanch]

Re: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

The HRDC missing billion is pretty well known I thought. I can't google this now as only the blogs come up. It's election time and so the topic is hot.

Most of the accounting issues and missing SIN numbers are in the auditor general's archive. I can find it if you like. Or you can go look on the website which would be illuminating. Rememeber the auditor general can only recommend changes and they don't have to be complied with. Or at least there are ways to avoid the recommendations which HRDC was very good at.

 

[Gary]

Re: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

Is'nt it amazing how quick the truth gets lost during an election campaign.
The reason why there's an election is because of the latest liberal scandals that have triggered RCMP investigations, what's that 33 investigations into the Liberal party now ? The RCMP even anounced another one in the middle of the campaign.
As far as negative ads yes all the parties use them. The Conservatives use headlines from Toronto newspapers and statements and actions from the liberals for their ads.
However the Liberals have taken this to a new level by suggesting that Harper would use our armed forces to do bad things in our cities and that the Conservative party recieves financial support from the Republican party in the US. Making statements like this without a shred of eveidence, knowing it is'nt true and then saying " we just don't know ".

 

[Said1]

Re: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

The HRDC missing billion is pretty well known I thought. I can't google this now as only the blogs come up. It's election time and so the topic is hot.

Most of the accounting issues and missing SIN numbers are in the auditor general's archive. I can find it if you like. Or you can go look on the website which would be illuminating. Rememeber the auditor general can only recommend changes and they don't have to be complied with. Or at least there are ways to avoid the recommendations which HRDC was very good at.

SINs

Customs and HRDC Fraud

More HRDC links from Auditor General Here

 

[Gary]

Re: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

Harper has also concentrated far more on policy than on attacks against the liberals, almost every morning he has made new policy anouncements while Martin spouts off. Saying Harper does not share the same values as Canadians and that he has a hidden agenda....must be well hidden cause nobodies heard of it yet except of coarse all of the things he said he will do.
I for one do not share Paul Martin's values or those of the Liberal party, if that makes me uncanadian then this country is headed for a lot division and trouble because a lot of Canadians feel the same way.

 

[nitzomoe]

Re: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

Harper has also concentrated far more on policy than on attacks against the liberals, almost every morning he has made new policy anouncements while Martin spouts off. Saying Harper does not share the same values as Canadians and that he has a hidden agenda....must be well hidden cause nobodies heard of it yet except of coarse all of the things he said he will do.
I for one do not share Paul Martin's values or those of the Liberal party, if that makes me uncanadian then this country is headed for a lot division and trouble because a lot of Canadians feel the same way.

everyone heard his original intentions in the previous election where he lost, ppl dont want a conservative in power they want a center party and thats what hes preaching to, though deep down inside hes a conservative and thats his real policy. if you've forgotten what he said the previous election i urge you to look it up.

 

[Hank C]

RE: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

If I were a Liberal supporter I would surely be wearing a bag over my head, but I am not so I can hold my head up at the polls.

I would sure hate to be the idiot who decides to wear a "go paul martin" or a liberal Tshirt to a suburban Calgary ballot box.

 

[Triple_R]

Re: Agreed Entirely

Hear, hear!

Nicely said, nitzomoe. If the Conservatives applied to the Justice system what they apply to the LIberal Party, then each and every accused would be executed on site. What ever happened to the consideration of evidence, and assuming innocence until guilt has been proven?

Executed? The Conservatives now want to introduce the death penalty into Canada? Is there no end to the baseless anti-Conservative claims? This line of thinking is below you, Five (or so I would like to think). I am sorely disappointed in your lack of outrage over such awful smear tactics on the part of the Liberals. :?

 

[FiveParadox]

RE: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

Triple_R, I was drawing an analogy, don't read into the execution reference. =p

 

[missile]

Re: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

I am totally against any liberal supporters going to the voting booth wearing a paper bag over their heads :twisted: it should be a tight plastic one.

 

[Citizen]

Re: Agreed Entirely

Is there no end to the baseless anti-Conservative claims?

And here all along I've been wondering the same thing about the baseless anti-liberal claims against Martin and his sitting MPs being spewed by Harper and his gang.

 

[nitzomoe]

Re: Agreed Entirely

Hear, hear!

Nicely said, nitzomoe. If the Conservatives applied to the Justice system what they apply to the LIberal Party, then each and every accused would be executed on site. What ever happened to the consideration of evidence, and assuming innocence until guilt has been proven?

Executed? The Conservatives now want to introduce the death penalty into Canada? Is there no end to the baseless anti-Conservative claims? This line of thinking is below you, Five (or so I would like to think). I am sorely disappointed in your lack of outrage over such awful smear tactics on the part of the Liberals. :?

and Im sorely dissappointed in your lack of outrage over such awful smear tactics the conservatives engange in, for godsakes man there entire election ads are all smear campaigns with no basis on fact as NOT ONE LIBERAL PARTY MEMBER HAS BEEN FOUND GUILTY OF or INDICTED FOR ANY CRIME! On top fo that the conservative ads are beyond retardation, it was hilarious at first but now its just pathetic after watching the same nonsense over and over again, If anythign Harper will stand up for america.

On top of that Harper has consistently lied about the state of the economy, over and over again saying that it is in disrepair when in fact its the best amongs tthe G7 countries.

When will this basis antiliberal attacks end?

 

[FiveParadox]

RE: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

Perhaps the Tories could air an about the Conservative Party?

That'd be a nice change of pace.

 

[sanch]

Re: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

I don't know of anyplace in the world where the same standards of proof are applied to politics and the law. The liberals have dominated politics in Canada over the last century in much the same way that PRI dominated Mexican politics for a similar amount of time. If we take PRI as an example we can see how a party that is dominant can effectively thwart any attempt to investigate corruption. Look at the case of the Salinas family.

All the news articles in the Economist and US magazines and papers always bring up government corruption in Canada. There is the HRDC stuff, there is the patronage and nepotism in the civil service where jobs mainly go to relatives and friends. All of this is corruption. It has been pointed out by the government and is available for reading on its websites. Of course the government which has been synonymous with liberal rule is not going to investigate itself. The evidence is all there from various sources that the system is corrupt.

The defense of corruption being offered here is that even though corruption is ubiquitous in the Canadian government any allegations of corruption are unfounded and deprive the government of the right of due process. So applying this standard to say police corruption we could never investigate this corruption even though everyone knew it was going on. We could never investigate it because they could simply respond by saying prove it while they assert control over the evidence and investigations. So the police knowing they can never be investigated become even more grandiose in their nefarious schemes.

 

[FiveParadox]

RE: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

Would you imply then that independent officers such as Sheila Fraser, our Auditor General, don't do their jobs as they should? Are they floundering in their duties to expose the problems that may occur within the Government of Canada?

Let us not forget that in each and every case of a discovered scandal, chances are more often than not they were discovered by an independent Officer of Parliament — these people have a mandate to seek out "issues" that the Government may have, and to expose them to the public.

Personally, I will trust the allegations of Ms. Fraser before the Honourable Leader of the Opposition any day.

 

[sanch]

Re: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

I think Fraser has done an admirable job but all she can do is report and make policy recommendations, her office has no real power. There has been no attempt by the government to act on these reports. There was the sponsorship scandal but that was so egregious it could not be covered up. Each day 30 cookies are put in a jar and each day 25 cookies are missing. The loss is dutifully reported but this does not alter the fact that each day 25 cookies continue to be missing.


I like many liberal policies but I think the current group has done a very bad job. The best we can do to correct the situation is to elect a new government. It will be a minority government but it will rely heavily on NDP support and I think this might produce some productive legislation to clean the mess the liberals have made up.

 

[nitzomoe]

RE: Liberal supporters sh

noone saying they houldnt investigate these scandals, in fact it was Paul Martin who brought justice Gomery to investigate teh sponsorship scandal. This is no defence of curruption.

The difference is that you cant just charge specific ppl or organizations with curruption without first making sure theyre currupt. To just go about accusing ppl is insane.

Lets all take a step back to remember the airbus scandal that Brian Mulroney was involved in, heres a case where it was well known that he was involved yet he walks scot free today. many of the ppl running in todays conservatives worked under Brian Mulroney so technically using the argument that accusation is good enough evidence to charge curruption, most of the current conservative party is also scandal plagued, also currupt and also party to culture of entitlement.

 

[FiveParadox]

RE: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

A nice analogy, nitzomoe. We need to ensure that accusations from the Opposition side of the House are not taken as sacrosanct; if they were, then if an Opposition party wanted the Budget to flounder, they could just accuse the Minister of Finance of anything under the sun and say "Nope, can't present your budget, Minister's gotta step down now."

 

[#juan]

Re: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

In Mulroney's time ,

he fired a scandalized cabinet minister each year he was in office. These weren't all minor things. Some ex-ministers even went to jail. The Liberals didn't invent corruption by any stretch of the imagination. Maybe the CPC could use a few paper bags.(large)

 

[Freethinker]

Re: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

In Mulroney's time ,

he fired a scandalized cabinet minister each year he was in office. These weren't all minor things. Some ex-ministers even went to jail. The Liberals didn't invent corruption by any stretch of the imagination. Maybe the CPC could use a few paper bags.(large)

Agreed, anyone who thinks either party has a monopoly on scandal is an idiot. Sponsorship was bad but again it was isolated to very few members of the party and I believe attempts to bring these men to justice continues.

This tends to be why we change governments in Canada every couple of terms for more than any other reason. The longer you are in office the more ammunition accumulates against you. Eventually they get turfed.

Historically this hasn't been an issue becuase we moved back and forth between two essentially centerist parties. Just this time around the hier to power is on the far right, make that transition something a Canadian centerist like myself (A lefty to you Americans) is not comfortable with. So I will be voting against that right wing idealogy and for the Liberals as the best chance to limit the size of the Conservative government.