Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their heads.

[sanch]

Re: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

The point is not to go tit for tat on who is more corrupt. The point is to put in safeguards to ensure that there is oversight and consequences if laws are broken. The liberals and I would say their core followers have no interest in curbing corruption as they are fine with a dysfunctional government. I don't understand why but that seems to be the argument.

Harper has an anti-corruption bill that will be his first priority in government. And when it passes--and I am sure it will as I can't see anyone but a fool voting against it--then we will be able to let the system police itself. And if the conservatives have made errors in this campaign then they should as well be investigated. I would make the act retroactive and no statute of limitations. Let them revisit the Mulroney years. It will show the current and next generation of politicans and government employees that there are consequences if they break the law.

Here is democracy watch's assessment. Except for one d and an f+ the liberals score straight f's.

http://www.dwatch.ca/camp/RelsJan1806.html

 

[#juan]

Re: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

I worked on a few campaigns over the years and got to know quite a few people from all parties. I would say that the malority of people from all parties running for office in federal elections are fine people. Do you think that Liberal MPs didn't cringe when they heard of the sponsership mess? Do you think they were happy about it?

It is fine to be partisan but do a little thinking.

 

[S-Ranger]

Re: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

Just when I thought the Liberals could not stoop any lower. Is there any depth these vile people will not lower themselves? They are a disgrace of a party that deserves to be decimated on Monday. Vote CPC, vote NDP, vote Green, vote for your dog, but for the love of this country, do NOT vote Liberal. PATHETIC!!!!!

Liberal Campaign Caught Falsely Accusing Conservative Candidate of Sexual Abuse

Yawn. Harper accused Martin of supporting child pornography. What you say above is true (stoop, vile, disgrace) but it applies to all politicians and always will if we let them have "families" (akin to organized crime familes that extort money to "take care of" people).

When they're all independents with real accountability to their employers in their districts (signed contracts, not "platforms"), running on their actual knowledge and skills to represent the goals and priorities of the district, but also having good arbitration skills because nothing will ever get what it wants, it's always give and take -- and with those skills being the top reasons why employers/voters choose to employ one (independent; you'll still know where they stand on whatever via public job interviews, not ridiculous election circus act marketing "campaigns") candidate over another; then we can start fixing up the rest of the messes.

And again, instead of "low voter turnout" due to none of them being of any worth, due to the entire insult to the words "systems" and "structures" that no amount of bandages are ever going to fix (just a total rewrite); get out there and vote for "None of the above" instead of not voting; or voting for your dog.

Thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of votes for "None of the above" is a totally different and very clear story for the "newz media" to cover as opposed to the usual speculation about "low voter turnout."

 

[S-Ranger]

Re: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

The point is not to go tit for tat on who is more corrupt. The point is to put in safeguards to ensure that there is oversight and consequences if laws are broken.

Of course. Such as?

The liberals and I would say their core followers have no interest in curbing corruption as they are fine with a dysfunctional government. I don't understand why but that seems to be the argument.

It's ludicrous. The simple fact is that the Quebec advertising/sponsorship campaign went on for many years under Chretien, it's worth nothing, petticash, if a federal finance minister had to check every freaking invoice then we could dispense with everything else but the confederate dept. of finance. 40 million puny dollars at best and not in a day, not in a year (Clarkson blew $2 billion in unaccounted "indemnities" in 2002, nothing was done so she blew $4 billion the next year; and nothing was done about that either and that's getting close to real money around a federal government; 2 THOUSAND million dollars, 4 THOUSAND million dollars; and the $11 THOUSAND million dollars that left the "municipality" of Toronto last year, never to be seen again, the $22 billion, or 22 THOUSAND million dollars that left "Ontario" last year never to be seen again -- is not only real money but is one of the largest "transfers of money" on the planet; and Martin was exhonerated by the Gomery Inquiry, millions and millions of pages of documentation/forensic accounting; so who cares? Those who like other political "families" do because they're spreading massive propaganda about it that just makes anyone with a brain laugh).

Anyone voting for the Alberta Stampede Town "conservative" Party over the petticash/missing invoices that no one in the current "liberal" party has been accused of anything with regard to, is simply full of propaganda BS spread BY the Alberta Stampede Town "conservative" Party and Quebec separatists, to blow it out of all proportion -- and reality.

Harper has an anti-corruption bill that will be his first priority in government. And when it passes--and I am sure it will as I can't see anyone but a fool voting against it--then we will be able to let the system police itself.

How? Where's the Bill? Post it so we can all analyze it to see if it's worth anything. Talk, talk and more talk. Who says that Harper is going to keep its word about anything? Do you have a working crystal ball?

Is the Bill going to mandate one of the most insane things that any alleged "democracy" on the planet allows -- one person, the leader of the federal government alone, with no confirmation process of any sort -- appointing Supreme Court Justices?

Where is this Bill? How is anyone supposed to know, just via the usual ridiculous election circus act marketing "campaign promises?"

How would it stop some pissant of a confederate department with a puny budget that's not even worth mentioning, from not making mistakes; intentionally or otherwise?

How is it going to give us real represenation? Is the Bill going to kick the Executive (PM and cabinet) out of the "Commons" and into another building where they belong, so that every electoral district gets a representative and so that every vote is a free vote and rename "the Commons" to the House of Representatives and give them the power to re-write any Bill wholecloth by majority votes per issue?

Is it going to dispense with the far less than worthless Governor General and Lieutenants Govenor? Is it going to turn Canada into a proper republic, where city-states (where the bulk of the population of the Canadas live and where the vast bulk of the revenues are generated) at least "equal" status to ridiculous "provinces" when they should have more power than ridiculous "provinces?"

Is it going to fix the mess of the existing insult to the word "structure" by allowing former "provinces" to set their boundaries to something that makes sense for this century?

Will it include impeachment/recall legislation and make it mandatory for every government?

What are the big consequences of the alleged Bill that Harper is blabbering about? What good is it, what's it going to do, with specifics?

And if the conservatives have made errors in this campaign then they should as well be investigated. I would make the act retroactive and no statute of limitations. Let them revisit the Mulroney years. It will show the current and next generation of politicans and government employees that there are consequences if they break the law.

And who is going to pay for it all? South Ontario as usual. How about if we divide the Canadas up into proper jurisdictions first, then implement a "put your money where your mouth is" weighted voting system for everything?

Have you costed the above? How much will it cost South Ontario? And why look back to the existing insults to the words "structures" and "systems" that allow this crap to continue, instead of forward rewriting the whole mess?

 

[sanch]

Re: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

I am not just referring to the political scandals but a federal bureaucracy run amuck with no oversight and penalties if they screw someone’s life up. There has been talk for years about administrative reform but the liberals have not done it. They get an F here. One of the areas that would get the little pissant department you refer to to clean up their act is the removal of the broad access to information exemption. Right now when legislation is passed a department prepares directives for its employees so that they know how to comply with the various provisions contained in any act. These directives are supposed to protect the rights of Canadian citizens. Well for the most part our inbred bureaucracy ignores the directives. I don’t know if this is intentional or simply incompetence as over 50% of the hires go to relatives and friends who are totally unqualified for their positions. The only real check on their job performance is the access to information act. But when you make a request either under the privacy act or access to information they simply take an exemption—most of which are very broadly defined under the current act—and ghost out their mistakes. With the current bill they will not be allowed to take those exemptions and hide their screw-ups whether intentional or not.

Here is the link to the copy of the proposed bill. You need to download the pdf. My apologies as I thought this was well publicized. I agree that once elected he could pull the bill but I don’t think he will as he would have no credibility. The democracy watch does mention the conservatives have no honesty-in-politics proposal in their platform.

It could be forward looking and less expensive but there are people looking for blood.

http://www.conservative.ca/EN/2275/

 

[Hank C]

RE: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

Geez, S-Ranger I always thought you looked at things from a business point of view...... thus you would find the Conservative Party more to your tastes....surprised to learn you are a Liberal!! Honestly, what does the Liberal party have over the Tories, and why are you Ontario people soo scared?

 

[Freethinker]

Re: RE: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their

Honestly, what does the Liberal party have over the Tories, and why are you Ontario people soo scared?

Tell me if during at the end of the Mulroney years plagued by scandal, if the only alternative was the NDP would you have chosen them over another Mulroney government?

I would have voted for Mulroney a third time, just like I will vote for I will vote for Paul Martin, because the scandal is past, the bad apples have been removed.

Some of us just prefer more center-progressive parties, overblown hot air about one scandal doesn't change that.

As to what it would take. If Harper had promised to stick to economic issues (ie not revisit gay marriage), had not done the publicity stunt of cutting the GST I would have had a very hard time deciding. As it is now, they made my decision easy.

 

[S-Ranger]

Re: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

In Mulroney's time ,

he fired a scandalized cabinet minister each year he was in office. These weren't all minor things. Some ex-ministers even went to jail. The Liberals didn't invent corruption by any stretch of the imagination. Maybe the CPC could use a few paper bags.(large)

Agreed, anyone who thinks either party has a monopoly on scandal is an idiot. Sponsorship was bad but again it was isolated to very few members of the party and I believe attempts to bring these men to justice continues.
...

It was turned over to the RCMP by Martin, the case isn't closed and it's totally up to the RCMP to figure out who is charged with what. What else could have been done other that what Martin did ... well perhaps lynch mobs could have been organized to just randomly hang whoever happened to annoy them; which is pretty much what the Harperites want.

If they win a minority, let alone squeak out a dictatorship, look forward to another wasted year while they go over every penny, wasting more of our money than any of it's worth, which is about all they did last year, blabber on about nothing real and no conclusions -- when a Justice with everything at his disposal, millions of pages of documentation produced by forensic accountants, were looking after the inquiry -- and politicians are not Justices.

Wait for the inquiry to finish,the RCMP was already on the case so get to work (whatever that's supposed to mean on confederate mound in these mess of a country anymore) and stop wasting far more of our money than the whole thing was worth, with nothing but politicking/propaganda BS.

Historically this hasn't been an issue becuase we moved back and forth between two essentially centerist parties. Just this time around the hier to power is on the far right, make that transition something a Canadian centerist like myself (A lefty to you Americans) is not comfortable with. So I will be voting against that right wing idealogy and for the Liberals as the best chance to limit the size of the Conservative government.

I was going to vote for "None of the above" but this one is far too important for the civilized world in the Canadas to not vote in; to ensure that Tom Flanagan, Barry Cooper (both Americans; the latter couldn't get a job at the U of T, despite the efforts of many, so he became a western chauvinist at the school of Stampede Town), Ted Morton, Rainer Knopff, David Bercuson and Clan from the "Calgary school"/mafia (with ManningDayHarper or anyone else as their puppets) are out, and a real Progessive Conservative who actually knows what free-markets and real business/capitalism and real competition and real innovation (etc., etc., which century this is), is in.

Then we'll be able to vote for the party; outside Stampede Town or whatever the prairies wants to make out of themselves; with more propaganda BS to get nowhere or with reality to start figuring out why the national rail line was built, back in 1885, before the U.S. even had one and to maybe start using it for something other than exporting volatile raw/semi-processed commodies.

 

[sanch]

Re: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

S-Ranger it is quite remarkable that you totally miss or dismiss the true nature of the corruption problem. You have no response to the democracy watch report. You ask to see a plan and you have no response as you prefer no plan. They are able to rule with no oversight because of people who simply don't care or see this as a singular problem rather that a systemic problem.

As for the partisan comment democracy watch gives your view an F. You could claim bias or argue with the methodology. But you will move forward with an F.

After today there is a different task and that is to ensure the campaign promises are kept. There needs to be accountability. Accounatbility is the foundation of democarcy. Canada does not have that at present.

 

[S-Ranger]

Re: RE: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their

Canadian Forums > Federal Elections
Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their heads.
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Geez, S-Ranger I always thought you looked at things from a business point of view...... thus you would find the Conservative Party more to your tastes....surprised to learn you are a Liberal!!

So am I. And believe me, it's all business. But whatever you think a "Liberal!!" is, well, think again.

Honestly, what does the Liberal party have over the Tories, and why are you Ontario people soo scared?

What's a "you Ontario people?"

You have to ask after a question like that?

 

[S-Ranger]

Re: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

S-Ranger it is quite remarkable that you totally miss or dismiss the true nature of the corruption problem.

Is that a fact. Well, a nerve seems to have been struck.

You have no response to the democracy watch report. You ask to see a plan and you have no response as you prefer no plan.

Is that a fact. Do tell me all about it.

They are able to rule with no oversight because of people who simply don't care or see this as a singular problem rather that a systemic problem.

Do you have a problem understanding the meaning of insults to the words (political) "systems" and "structures" in this mess?

As for the partisan comment democracy watch gives your view an F. You could claim bias or argue with the methodology. But you will move forward with an F.

And I care because of what? Because you, whoever you are, say so?

After today there is a different task and that is to ensure the campaign promises are kept. There needs to be accountability. Accounatbility is the foundation of democarcy. Canada does not have that at present.

You're KIDDING. What's a Canada?

 

[S-Ranger]

Re: Agreed Entirely

and Im sorely dissappointed in your lack of outrage over such awful smear tactics the conservatives engange in, for godsakes man there entire election ads are all smear campaigns with no basis on fact as NOT ONE LIBERAL PARTY MEMBER HAS BEEN FOUND GUILTY OF or INDICTED FOR ANY CRIME! On top fo that the conservative ads are beyond retardation, it was hilarious at first but now its just pathetic after watching the same nonsense over and over again, If anythign Harper will stand up for america.

On top of that Harper has consistently lied about the state of the economy, over and over again saying that it is in disrepair when in fact its the best amongs tthe G7 countries.

When will this basis antiliberal attacks end?

When the poor Stampede Towners actually have to start running something other than their mouths, with only a 30-seat margin over the new Progressive Conservative Party of Canada (calling themselves "liberals" for no apparent reason) and a very slim minority government; much more slim that the Stampede Town Party had.

Let them self-destruct. It's all they can possibly do. Then, if the new conderate PCs have any brains, Belinda Stronach, who won the real war in this election (perhaps we should pull all of those comments/quotes that the Neanderthol "conservatives" made about poor Frank Stronach having a brilliant daughter instead of a son; the politicking of the Taliban, al Queda, Iran, Iraq and the like), will be the next PM; in a year or less.

Oops, I almost forgot to tell you that the link you posted (in your sig; sounds moderately interesting) is out of service. Maybe it's the weather; somewhere.

 

[S-Ranger]

Re: Agreed Entirely

There have been plenty of specific accusations and allegations. What there has not been are any real investigations outside of the sponsorship scandal, any real charges laid or any trials. Justice is about due process but you cannot find justice if there are no checks and balances to ensure there is accountability and transperancy.

What happened to the missing billion at HRDC? Why is the auditor general reporting that there are 5 million more SIN's than their are individuals in the over 20 age group? Why are the accounting problems at HRDC never fixed? Where is the missing money? Where are the investigations? Yes these are allegations. And yes these allegations are of political relevance because there is very obvious accounting fraud that was never investigated. And no one will go to prison without a trial.

Do you have a link to that information?

Nevertheless, it is beyond the pale for Harper's and his conservatives to accuse sitting MP's and especially our current Prime Minister of being corrupt thieves.

In this country, one is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. To me, that means Harper has falsely accused and slandered sitting MP's of crimes they have not been convicted of committing.

How dare he! Harper is lower than low in my opinion and I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

Reform-alliance "conservatives" never have links to anything but hearsay and BS. They're not very bright.

It's called "parliamentary priviledge." Normal tort laws don't apply in "the Commons," which is why the "liberals" kept telling the reform-alliance to say it outside the chamber -- where they can be sued and where they never said a freaking thing.

And they were constantly pushing the limits of "parliamentary priviledge" and had to retract hundreds of statements even with the quite relaxed rules, not laws, of the "Commons" and it would have been slander and defamation in a split second if any of them had dared to say what they did without "parliamentary priviledge."

They wasted more of our time and money abusing "parliamentary priviledge" than the puny $40 million the Quebec Liberal Party, for the most part, misplaced in the first place, with a few missing invoices and who gives a rat's ass, we had a much better scandal at Toronto city hall; if even puny $40 million (the number changed almost every time it came out of the mouths of not just the Stampede Town Party but the Bloc and NDP as well), $1,000 here, $5,000 there, petticash over years -- and when Chretien falls on the sword if anyone in the Executive does. That little thing was certianly not run by the federal Ministry of Finance. They have real money and issues to deal with and a very large pile of departments under them who they have to trust or bust; which is why we have the Dept of the Auditor General around, which turned it up and which Martin immediately called the RCMP over then appointed an inquiry with everything at its disposal.

But all any of the "conservatives" or anyone else had to do was state outside the Chamber what they did inside it, where they do not have "parliamentary priviledge" to the waiting newz media or anyone/anything else; and none of them ever did or they would have been busted in seconds.

Waste of time cowards.

 

[S-Ranger]

Re: Agreed Entirely

There have been plenty of specific accusations and allegations. What there has not been are any real investigations outside of the sponsorship scandal, any real charges laid or any trials. Justice is about due process but you cannot find justice if there are no checks and balances to ensure there is accountability and transperancy.

What happened to the missing billion at HRDC? Why is the auditor general reporting that there are 5 million more SIN's than their are individuals in the over 20 age group? Why are the accounting problems at HRDC never fixed? Where is the missing money? Where are the investigations? Yes these are allegations. And yes these allegations are of political relevance because there is very obvious accounting fraud that was never investigated. And no one will go to prison without a trial.

No kidding, Einstein. So get on the horn to the RCMP asking them why they're not doing their jobs and see where that gets you. Or would you prefer that lynch mobs be organized instead?

A first. I may actually be able to respond to an entire thread.

 

[S-Ranger]

Re: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

Harper has also concentrated far more on policy than on attacks against the liberals, almost every morning he has made new policy anouncements while Martin spouts off.

True. Martin didn't have to spout off. The budgets are, or were already in place. The "promises" were already passed legislation and the Martin election circus act marketing "campaign" should have used that more.

Saying Harper does not share the same values as Canadians and that he has a hidden agenda....must be well hidden cause nobodies heard of it yet except of coarse all of the things he said he will do.

Google +"tom flanagan" +harper" for starters then go on from there.

I for one do not share Paul Martin's values or those of the Liberal party,

What values would those be? Not supporting the cities, economic backbone of the Canadas, with more of their own revenues back and a direct say at the confederate level?

if that makes me uncanadian then this country is headed for a lot division and trouble because a lot of Canadians feel the same way.

No it's not. There is this:

Windsor-Québec City Corridor, 2001

Ontario Section
10,706,513 93% of Ontario's population

Québec Section
6,327,354 87% of Quebec's population

Total Population
17,033,867 57% of Canada's population

Source: Statistics Canada 2001 Census

There is this:

The Lower Mainland and southern Vancouver Island

___________________________________________________________
                                     % of     % of    % of
        Population            %    Province Province Canada
   1996           2001     Change   (1996)   (2001)  (2001)
 2,523,734     2,706,873    7.3      67.8     69.3     9.0
___________________________________________________________

And there is this:

Population and percentage of population by jurisdiction/regions, 1996 and 2001 Censuses

________________________________________________________________________
                                                              Population
JURISDICTION              1996 Pop   %Pop    2001 Pop   %Pop    Growth
________________________________________________________________________
Ontario                  10,753,573  37.28  11,410,046  38.02    656,473
Québec                    7,138,795  24.75   7,237,479  24.12     98,684
British Columbia          3,724,500  12.91   3,907,738  13.02    183,238

Alberta                   2,696,826   9.35   2,974,807   9.91    277,981

Manitoba                  1,113,898   3.86   1,119,583   3.73      5,685
Saskatchewan                990,237   3.43     978,933   3.26    -11,304

Nova Scotia                 909,282   3.15     908,007   3.03     -1,275
New Brunswick               738,133   2.56     729,498   2.43     -8,635
Newfoundland & Labrador     551,792   1.91     512,930   1.71    -38,862
Prince Edward Island        134,557   0.47     135,294   0.45        737

Northwest Territories        39,672   0.14      37,360   0.12     -2,312
Yukon Territory              30,766   0.11      28,674   0.10     -2,092
Nunavut Territory            24,730   0.09      26,745   0.09      2,015
________________________________________________________________________
TOTAL                    28,846,761 100.00  30,007,094 100.00  1,160,333
________________________________________________________________________
                                                              Population
SUMMARY                   1996 Pop   %Pop    2001 Pop   %Pop    Growth
________________________________________________________________________
(ON+QC) Total            17,892,368  62.03  18,647,525  62.14    755,157
(ON+QC+BC) Total         21,616,868  74.94  22,555,263  75.17    938,395

Rest - (ON+QC) Total     10,954,393  37.97  11,359,569  37.86    405,176
Rest - (ON+QC+BC) Total   7,229,893  25.06   7,451,831  24.83    221,938

Prairie (AB+SK+MB) Total  4,800,961  16.64   5,073,323  16.91    272,362
(SK+MB) Total ^ to AB     2,104,135   7.29   2,098,516   6.99     -5,619

Atlantic Canadas Total    2,333,764   8.09   2,285,729   7.62    -48,035
Territories Total            92,779   0.31      95,168   0.33     -2,389
________________________________________________________________________

Sources: Statistics Canada (all) - many pages: Tables - Canada Population and Dwelling Counts (by just about any way you wish to view them) Home Page is probably the best overall ... typical StatsCan't mess. But useful once you get past their insane interfaces without going insane.
A Profile of the Canadian Population: Where We Live (Index)
Growth concentrated in four large urban areas

"The rest."

 

[sanch]

Re: Agreed Entirely

No kidding, Einstein. So get on the horn to the RCMP asking them why they're not doing their jobs and see where that gets you. Or would you prefer that lynch mobs be organized instead?

A first. I may actually be able to respond to an entire thread.

Your simply acting as an apologist for corruption. You don't really respond to anything so I wouldn't recommend patting yourself on the back for intelligent commentary. You have a particular viewpoint but it is largely irrelevant now.

A more insightful view might be to ask where do we go now once there is an accountability act? How can we be sure that the conservatives act on it? In the end will this make the federal government more accountable and improve programs? Will putting more constraints and eliminating nepotism in the civil service improve administrative productivity and in the end save money?

 

[nitzomoe]

Re: Agreed Entirely

Oops, I almost forgot to tell you that the link you posted (in your sig; sounds moderately interesting) is out of service. Maybe it's the weather; somewhere.

its fixed now.

 

[Hank C]

RE: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

Looking back at the election.....everyone remembers the Liberal ads, especially the ones attacking Americans. Well what do you suppose would of happend if the Tories released this ad? would there be a double standard?

"Canadians may elect the most pro-gay leader in the western world. A Martin victory would put a smile on every queer's face."

 

[FiveParadox]

RE: Liberal supporters should wear paper bag over their head

What does your quote have to do with that question?

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Just when I thought the Liberals could not stoop any lower. Is there any depth these vile people will not lower themselves? They are a disgrace of a party that deserves to be decimated on Monday. Vote CPC, vote NDP, vote Green, vote for your dog, but for the love of this country, do NOT vote Liberal. PATHETIC!!!!!

Liberal Campaign Caught Falsely Accusing Conservative Candidate of Sexual Abuse

By John-Henry Westen

OTTAWA, January 19, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Liberal Campaign in the Saskatoon-Wanuskewin riding of Saskatchewan has reached a boiling point after the campaign office was caught calling in to a television show falsely accusing the Co
nservative candidate of sexual abuse. Tuesday night on Shaw Cable, a caller phoned in falsely accusing front-runner Conservative incumbent MP Maurice Vellacott of sexually assaulting his church secretary at North Park Church.

Vellacott has never been accused by any woman of sexual assault and was never a Pastor at North Park Church. Bishop Jerold Gliege former long-term Pastor of North Park Church and now of Holy Covenant Orthodox Church, confirms that Vellacott never served there. Gliege says, "Vellacott is an upstanding, honourable man who has served this Saskatoon-Wanuskewin constituency very diligently." Bishop Gliege suggests that Vellacott is being targeted with slander due to his pro-life and family views. "Because he is an articulate defender of life, marriage and family, he is the target of attacks by those who have differing views," he said.

Vellacott responded quickly to the televised accusation by looking directly into the camera, stating to the technicians that he needed to get the name and phone number of that caller for defamation proceedings.

After the cable show ended, Vellacott was handed the requested phone number by Shaw Cable producer Gracie Field. Upon arrival back at his campaign office he was told that a person had reported in and was confident that the accusers voice was that of a friend of Liberal candidate Chris Axworthy. When the (306) 956-2570 number provided by the Shaw Cable staff member was dialed, it was found to be Chris Axworthy's campaign office phone number. The same number is also listed as the main campaign office number on the website of the Liberal Party of Canada here: http://www.liberal.ca/bio_e.aspx?id=47011&type=can

Vellacott says this is typical of nation-wide sleazy Liberal tactics in the dying days of their desperate campaign. After this kind of "evil" tactic, Vellacott predicts that Axworthy will be damaged irreparably and unable to pursue public office again in this province.

Vellacott challenges Paul Martin to distance himself "from Axworthy and such sleazy, corrupt, dishonest actions so typical of the Liberal Party across the country over the last number of years".

Axworthy's campaign office would not comment to LifeSiteNews.com for this story , but noted that Mr. Axworthy would call back with a comment. No call from Axworthy was received.

Shaw Cable Program Manager Jim Mattern said that the station would not release video or audio of the incident but did say that Mr. Vellacott was given a tape and could release it if he wished. Mr. Vellacott is considering releasing the tape but is concerned about the impact it may have on a defamation suit he intends to pursue.

Developing . . .

HARPER WILL REFORM YOU IF YOU VOTE FOR HIM........................REFORM............IS HARPER'S SECRET CARD........................
REMEMBER BRIAN MULRONEY? HE GAVE CANADA WHAT THEY DID NOT ASK FOR...................$40Billion of red ink, and on top of that he did not pay tax on time for the grease job with the Germans......................... Torie should walk around with a bag on their heads......they are closet bigots, and the gaffs the Cons have been caught with makes the liberals look like angels..........................