Let’s leave the EU and join Germany

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An argument you sometimes hear from those sitting on the Brence (the Brexit fence) is that it’s a pity the EU couldn’t have stayed the same as it was when we first joined it in 1973. Back then, say the Brence-sitters, it was a trading bloc with only nine members, which made sense. Greece wasn’t a member, nor were Spain and Portugal, never mind Lithuania, Latvia and all those other countries ending in vowels.

But if we could go back to that better arrangement — play fantasy politics, as it were — would we, with hindsight, want it to include France and Italy, two of the original nine? Their economies are both now looking pretty rackety.

In fact, isn’t there only one country in Europe with which we would want to be BFF (Best Friends Forever)? You know the one I’m talking about. The Big G. Not only are we temperamentally similar to our German friends, we also have more in common with them than we do with our neighbours the French, or even our cousins the Americans...

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Let’s leave the EU and join Germany

It’s the only part of the whole deal that’s really worth our while


A union between the world's fourth and fifth largest economies would be a full-on superpower


Nigel Farndale
16 April 2016
The Spectator

An argument you sometimes hear from those sitting on the Brence (the Brexit fence) is that it’s a pity the EU couldn’t have stayed the same as it was when we first joined it in 1973. Back then, say the Brence-sitters, it was a trading bloc with only nine members, which made sense. Greece wasn’t a member, nor were Spain and Portugal, never mind Lithuania, Latvia and all those other countries ending in vowels.

But if we could go back to that better arrangement — play fantasy politics, as it were — would we, with hindsight, want it to include France and Italy, two of the original nine? Their economies are both now looking pretty rackety.

In fact, isn’t there only one country in Europe with which we would want to be BFF (Best Friends Forever)? You know the one I’m talking about. The Big G. Not only are we temperamentally similar to our German friends, we also have more in common with them than we do with our neighbours the French, or even our cousins the Americans (who, with Trump on the rampage, are looking increasingly foreign).

We have the same Protestant work ethic as the Germans. We enjoy the same things, such as brass bands, rambling and driving German cars. We both consider the sausage the height of culinary sophistication. We prefer beer to wine. And guess which country has taken over from Germany as having the worst reputation for reserving sun loungers with towels? That’s right, us, according to a survey for Travel Supermarket. Imitation? Flattery?

We both love rules, prudence, and ironic, self-deprecating humour of the kind personified by Henning Wehn, the darling of Radio 4 comedy, who wears a stopwatch to time his routines. (A typical German joke goes: ‘How many Germans does it take to change a lightbulb? One.’)

Even our traditional folk dances look similar, the Morris and the schuhplattler. And our taste in music is compatible — they gave us the Beatles, or rather gave them back to us once they had polished them up in Hamburg, and one of the most popular bands in Germany is Depeche Mode, who sound French but are British.

Not only do we import more goods from Germany than any other country, but they gave us our town planning, our Christmas rituals and even our welfare system (it was Bismarck’s idea originally). In return we gave them some of our words, such as schadenfreude, angst and zeitgeist. And to my astonishment, on my most recent visit to Berlin — I can’t get enough of the place — I watched a cricket match played in the grounds of the Olympic stadium, between two German sides wearing whites.

Above all, we are Anglo-Saxons. The Germanic tribes were here way before the Normans. And geneticists from UCL have analysed tooth enamel and bones in Anglo-Saxon cemeteries and concluded that half of us have German forebears. Half. No wonder 400,000 Germans live here. They feel at home.

Even our royal family has traditionally been German, dating back to George I, who couldn’t speak English. And with the exception of George VI, every monarch since has taken a German consort. And if you are thinking: but isn’t the Duke of Edinburgh known as ‘Phil the Greek’? Well, yes he is, but Phil Schleswig-Holstein–Sonderburg-Glücksburg would be a more accurate nickname. And let us not forget that the Royal family retained the surname von Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha until 1917, when it was changed to Vindsor.

All these ties apart, the reason we would be better off ditching the rest of Europe and forming an alliance with Germany is that it is an economic powerhouse, the fourth strongest economy in the world. And as we are the fifth, that would make a union between our countries a full-on superpower.


The British and Germans have so much in common


Obviously this idea might need a little finessing. Germany will probably need a good lawyer to get it out of the eurozone, for example. But you take my point. And did you know Britain and Germany already share an embassy? It’s in Reykjavik and the commemorative plaque in the building, dated 1996, records that it is ‘the first purpose–built co-located British-German chancery building in Europe’.

Even the Scots might be on board with this idea, given that the Westminster leader of the SNP, Angus Robertson, is half German and speaks the language fluently. He could be our go-between.

The question is, what should this new union be called? We can’t have anything with the words ‘Anglo-German’ in it because of the Anglo-German Fellowship of the 1930s. That was mostly made up of British and German aristocrats and came at a time when Hitler — who loved Shakespeare so much he tried to claim the bard was ‘Germanic’ — had a big crush on the British empire, as well as on Unity Mitford.

And now I’ve gone and mentioned the war, and I was trying not to. But since I have, I will leave you with these two poignant stories about mutual respect between enemies. In 1940 a Spitfire pilot, Michael Lister Robinson, threw a packet of cigarettes at a Messerschmitt pilot he had just forced to land, and got a grateful wave in return. Another ME 109 pilot, Hauptmann Hahn, while in a duel with a Spitfire, realised he and his enemy had run out of ammunition at the same moment. As the RAF pilot spread his hands philosophically, Hahn did the same and both then flew away laughing.


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Curious Cdn

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Most of you are already German, anyway. Besides, then you'll be able to get a better lager to drink.
 

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The writer of that article was wrong when he said that half (not most, he said, but half) of Britons have German ancestry. Most Britons are "Celtic" in origin (and I say "Celtic" in inverted commas because there is some debate as to whether the British "Celts" were indeed actual Celts and not just a mere invention of 18th century Scottish, Welsh and Irish nationalists). Only a minority of Britons are Anglo-Saxon in origin.
 

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So are the British people not paying attention to what's going on in Germany with Merkel and her immigration plans along with her embrace of Muslim dictators?

You make it sound as though the British people are clamouring to be in a union with the Hun.

No one accused the British of being very bright so you get what you deserve.....
Is that the same British people who came up with almost every major invention, all the world's most popular sports, have the ninth-highest number of Nobel laureates in the world on a per capita basis (behind only Saint Lucia, Luxembourg, Sweden, Iceland, Switzerland, Norway, Denmark and Austria) and built and ran the largest empire the world has ever known?
 

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Is that the same British people who came up with almost every major invention, all the world's most popular sports, have the ninth-highest number of Nobel laureates in the world on a per capita basis (behind only Saint Lucia, Luxembourg, Sweden, Iceland, Switzerland, Norway, Denmark and Austria) and built and ran the largest empire the world has ever known?

Yep, that's the one, although I'm sure he meant you're all thieves.
 

Blackleaf

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Yep, that's the one, although I'm sure he meant you're all thieves.

That's coming from someone who's using the English language and whilst using other great British inventions to get that message across - the computer, the computer mouse and the World Wide Web.
 

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That's coming from someone who's using the English language and whilst using other great British inventions to get that message across - the computer, the computer mouse and the World Wide Web.

The English language isn't all that great and the computer and mouse would be a clunk of plastic and circuits without American software and that WWW runs on an American invention called the Internet.
 

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The English language isn't all that great

It's the most successful language in the world - the lingua franca of science, technology, travel, entertainment, sport and business; the language one needs to speak in order to be a citizen of the world.

and the computer and mouse would be a clunk of plastic and circuits without American software and that WWW runs on an American invention called the Internet.

Computer software is a British invention, too. Alan Turing is credited with being the first person to come up with a theory for software.

The very first time a stored-program computer held a piece of software in an electronic memory, and executed it successfully, was 11am, 21 June 1948, at the University of Manchester, on the Small Scale Experimental Machine, also known as the "Baby" computer. It was written by Tom Kilburn, and calculated the highest factor of the integer 2^18 = 262,144. Starting with a large trial divisor, it performed division of 262,144 by repeated subtraction then checked if the remainder was zero. If not, it decremented the trial divisor by one and repeated the process. Google released a tribute to the Manchester Baby, celebrating it as the "birth of software".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histo..._of_computer_software_.281948.E2.80.931979.29


And the internet would never have been invented had the British not invented the computer beforehand.
 

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It's the most successful language in the world - the lingua franca of science, technology, travel, entertainment, sport and business; the language one needs to speak in order to be a citizen of the world.

I didn't say it wasn't successful, I said it isn't that great of a language. For starters there aren't any gendered nouns. You can be referencing your cousin in a conversation and until you specifically mention it's a male or female, you haven't a clue.


Computer software is a British invention, too. Alan Turing is credited with being the first person to come up with a theory for software.

You don't seem to have a problem with that homosexual, eh? You would be correct, while you are typing your response on your computer see if Alan Turings invention is operational.

The very first time a stored-program computer held a piece of software in an electronic memory, and executed it successfully, was 11am, 21 June 1948, at the University of Manchester, on the Small Scale Experimental Machine, also known as the "Baby" computer. It was written by Tom Kilburn, and calculated the highest factor of the integer 2^18 = 262,144. Starting with a large trial divisor, it performed division of 262,144 by repeated subtraction then checked if the remainder was zero. If not, it decremented the trial divisor by one and repeated the process. Google released a tribute to the Manchester Baby, celebrating it as the "birth of software".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histo..._of_computer_software_.281948.E2.80.931979.29


And the internet would never have been invented had the British not invented the computer beforehand.

And the British would never have invented the computer if three Americans hadn't invented the integrated circuit.
 

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I didn't say it wasn't successful, I said it isn't that great of a language. For starters there aren't any gendered nouns. You can be referencing your cousin in a conversation and until you specifically mention it's a male or female, you haven't a clue.




You don't seem to have a problem with that homosexual, eh? You would be correct, while you are typing your response on your computer see if Alan Turings invention is operational.



And the British would never have invented the computer if three Americans hadn't invented the integrated circuit.
Oh ffs who cares.
 

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I didn't say it wasn't successful, I said it isn't that great of a language. For starters there aren't any gendered nouns. You can be referencing your cousin in a conversation and until you specifically mention it's a male or female, you haven't a clue.

Finnish, Hungarian, Estonian, Armenian, Crimean Tatar, Greenlandic, Kyrgyz, Indonesian, Mongolian, Samoan, Georgian, Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Turkish, Bengali and Tahitian have no grammatical genders but I can't see any of their speakers moaning about it.

English, however, does have some gendered nouns: sister, brother, aunt, uncle, father, mother, prince, princess, lion, lioness are a few good examples. The fact that most nouns in English don't have a gender is what makes English superior to other European languages - unlike the French, Germans, Italians and Dutch, young English speakers at school don't have to go through their fretful puberty wondering whether "dog" is feminine, masculine, neuter or common gender and what definite and indefinite article it takes.

You don't seem to have a problem with that homosexual, eh? You would be correct, while you are typing your response on your computer see if Alan Turings invention is operational.
I've got no problem with stating Mr Turing's immense contribution to computer science and AI.

And the British would never have invented the computer if three Americans hadn't invented the integrated circuit.
Sorry, but the integrated circuit was also invented by the ingenious Brits - and it came AFTER the computer.

The idea of the integrated circuit was conceived by Geoffrey W.A. Dummer (1909–2002), a radar scientist working for the Royal Radar Establishment of the British Ministry of Defence. Dummer presented the idea to the public at the Symposium on Progress in Quality Electronic Components in Washington, D.C. on 7 May 1952. He gave many symposia publicly to propagate his ideas, and unsuccessfully attempted to build such a circuit in 1956.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_circuit#Invention
 
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