Let`s Rant

Twila

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Remember back in the old days when people would be more then willing to tell your misbehaving kids to behave? When we took responsibility for our actions and understood that the parents are in control and not the kids?
Remember when you could choose to go to a restaurant that was either family or not? And if you chose a restaurant that didn't specifically say family restaurant you were guaranteed to not be subjected to screaming kids? Now if you open a restaurant geered for adults you have people complain about it (I.E. Sammy J Peppers)
Back in the day when People ruled the world not snot nosed little kids running amok over their so called parents...ah, those were good times.
 

DurkaDurka

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I generally avoid any resaurant that will have children present or I will choose one that has a bar section where 19 is the youngest to be seen.
 

folcar

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The kids issue has been getting out of hand, doesn't anybody believe in discipline anymore? Two most recent incidents were sitting at a restaurant only to have the 4-5 year beside us throw a handfull of food all over us, the parents didn't even care! And sorry if this ruins your trips to a bulk goods store, but my wife and i went to our local one to get spices and few other things. Only to see a kid walking along sticking the tongs used to pick up the food in his nose, again the parent was oblivious to the actions of there kid. When i was young such a misbehaviour would have seen my butt red and raw, which is consequently why i never did those things and have manners today.

The worst part with the gas prices is the government is raking in all this cash, spending only 36% of it on the roads. And the prices are driving up costs everywhere else in society.
 

DurkaDurka

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Just bought a Versa today! 2007 Blue Hatchback........

Anyway, people butting into line make me want to really cause a scene......but I never do.

I hold my tongue when people butt into line, it pisses me off like nothing else but I figure it will accomplish nothing if I make a scene about it.
 

Kreskin

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I hate it when I butt into a line and someone gives me a dirty look.
 

Bluerocks

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The kids issue has been getting out of hand, doesn't anybody believe in discipline anymore? Two most recent incidents were sitting at a restaurant only to have the 4-5 year beside us throw a handfull of food all over us, the parents didn't even care! And sorry if this ruins your trips to a bulk goods store, but my wife and i went to our local one to get spices and few other things. Only to see a kid walking along sticking the tongs used to pick up the food in his nose, again the parent was oblivious to the actions of there kid. When i was young such a misbehaviour would have seen my butt red and raw, which is consequently why i never did those things and have manners today.

It seems like kids nowadays might not be as disciplined. There used to be a time when kids would get a spanking (not abusive) but to keep 'em straight.

Surely it is annoying upon going to a restaurant or anywhere else and you got kids screaming. Kids will be kids... Ok. But there comes a time when it is appropriate to behave in a good manner.
 

MikeyDB

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As someone who’s worked for over thirty years in the mental health field, some of the criticism leveled at narcissistic children and evidence of poor parenting skills belongs to me.

Children have been ‘owned’, or at least regarded as chattels by parents and the community for a very long time. There was an old saying that children “should be seen and not heard”, a chestnut of sorts that suggested that children, because they lack the wealth of experience, social and emotional skills of adults, were unable to contribute insight or values to an adult world.

Children were expected to be noisy and rambunctious, exhibiting limited or poor impulse controls regarded as manifesting the confusion, insecurity and trepidation expected of a developing human being…

Kids after all….were kids..

This translated in the adult world, the idealized orderly linear cause-effect perception of the mature human being, as evidence that children were best regarded as more similar in many respects to primitives. Undeveloped and prone to barbarism and perhaps from time to time anti-social behavior that emerged as “sass” as “skipping school” and sometimes juvenile delinquency.

Delinquency was a broad brush that could be applied to everything from complaining about the beans or carrots that were served with a meal to intentionally breaking windows or defacing someone’s property. If the “acting-out” of younger children failed to be successfully addressed through disciplinary measures, the assumption was developed that a child was victim to some unseen and never-before-encountered psychological or behavioral dysfunction. Ritalin and special education pigeonholes were the band-aid cure for a possibly maladjusted or disturbed child. The age of ADD and ADHD gloriously bloomed upon the social landscape relieving parents of the responsibility to parent….

Social dynamics, influences of the larger zeitgeist were credited as having a significant albeit largely hidden effect on children’s behavior. If a child lacked the new stylish clothing (fads) or brand name running shoes, there was the danger that the child would find only rejection among his or her peer group. Children bereft of the calming influence of color TV and the familiarity with television programming enjoyed by their wealthier school friends would find themselves ostracized and distanced from their colleagues. Concomitant with the trappings of a social plane defined ever-more absolutely by the objects of accumulation, the subtle statements of disposable wealth and aspiration to power and control that come with “success” and “popularity”, children became the focus of the engine of greed that was invited into the family living room. No child could be reasonably expected to develop “normally” if they weren’t afforded the equality of consumption that certainly parents of these times embraced as their entitlement…

Families’ needed both adults to work…to afford that entryway access to the new car, the vacation weekend, the exercise of that right to visit Sea World and Disneyland. No adult could be reasonably expected to suffer the ignominy of last years aging automobile, become the butt of jokes leveled at cocktail parties, because their house had no central air-conditioning….

A benchmark of “success” was the display and demonstration of wealth with the casual, off-hand flourishing of the American Express Card, of the Visa and Master Card that magically provided the better (more expensive) golf clubs that meant that mom and dad could better compete with their clubhouse friends. Children weren’t provided the explanation that the growing necessity of still more income was directly related to the wads of “bill-due” notices from charge-card companies and credit agencies. Cable TV and the accoutrements of the “modern home” simply appeared and after performing their function until one day after the guarantee ran out (planned obsolescence) were set by the curb with the accumulated junk of the disposable era to be whisked off to be buried, while celebrating the new digital toaster and the scientific/technological advances of the “clapper” to turn the lights on and off…

America was informed that a child’s self-esteem would suffer if adult expectations to perform academically or in sporting events brought with it a “consequence”….a burden of emotional and psychological damage that would surely result in self-mutilation or suicide….

But I apologize for my long-windedness, that isn’t what anyone here at Can Con likes or wants…it’s the quick and easy answer the “I have a problem now give me the answer to that problem”…kind of thinking that’s welcomed here….

Reflection on the complexities of the social dynamic aren’t appropriate unless we can identify and target some individual, some precise element of the cause-effect formula that must surely be more responsible for the mess we find ourselves in….more responsible at least than anyone here at Can Con is prepared to entertain….




 

Twila

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But I apologize for my long-windedness, that isn’t what anyone here at Can Con likes or wants…it’s the quick and easy answer the “I have a problem now give me the answer to that problem”…kind of thinking that’s welcomed here


I for one really enjoyed your post. But since this is titled "Let's Rant" it does not imply answers wanted, needed, or expected. It's simply an avenue to express anger or frustration. Sometimes people want to vent WITHOUT somebody trying to fix the problem.
Back to your post...I may have misread or misinterpreted what you were trying to say but I got the impression that you believe parents aren't to blame? Or that kids should be allowed to run amok?


 

MikeyDB

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Twila

Our children ceased to be children during the sixties. Adults became children. And do I think children should be permitted to run amok..? Certainly not, but they are however products of the times and experiences they've experienced. Postmodernism heralded the death of childhood.
 

Nikki

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So, I have to rant a few times a day to stay sane.

It really pisses me off when I am grocery shopping and a mother with 7 kids is in my way. I was in the cheese section and 3 of her kids were sitting in the fridge thing. Totally gross.
Why can`t parents control their kids?

I can't stand people and their damn kids. They never seem to be able to control them.... or maybe they just don't want to. The other day I went into Co-Op to buy some eggs and this kid ran up to me grabbed the carton out of my hand and threw it on the ground. WTF??? And the parents Actually got angry at me because I Told them to control their kids and that the grocery store wasn't a play ground. :angry3: I hate people.
 

Nikki

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The kids issue has been getting out of hand, doesn't anybody believe in discipline anymore?
Because they are scared to do anything thanks to society.
Two most recent incidents were sitting at a restaurant only to have the 4-5 year beside us throw a handfull of food all over us, the parents didn't even care!
Which is exactly why when we go out we tend to go late when hopefully there aren't any kids. But that seems to not matter anymore either. LRG and I went out Wed night to eat at 11 pm and there were kids in the restuant not more then 4. WTF!??? Anyone else notice this lately?

And sorry if this ruins your trips to a bulk goods store, but my wife and i went to our local one to get spices and few other things. Only to see a kid walking along sticking the tongs used to pick up the food in his nose, again the parent was oblivious to the actions of there kid. When i was young such a misbehaviour would have seen my butt red and raw, which is consequently why i never did those things and have manners today.

which is just another reason why I don't buy Bulk. :puke: Parents piss me off!
 

Nikki

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As someone who’s worked for over thirty years in the mental health field, some of the criticism leveled at narcissistic children and evidence of poor parenting skills belongs to me.

Children have been ‘owned’, or at least regarded as chattels by parents and the community for a very long time. There was an old saying that children “should be seen and not heard”, a chestnut of sorts that suggested that children, because they lack the wealth of experience, social and emotional skills of adults, were unable to contribute insight or values to an adult world.


Children were expected to be noisy and rambunctious, exhibiting limited or poor impulse controls regarded as manifesting the confusion, insecurity and trepidation expected of a developing human being…

Kids after all….were kids..

I don't think anyone is saying that kids should be seen and not herd. Kids will be kids. They will run around, scream and be annoying. Which is why parents are needed. Parents need to keep their children in line when neccessary. IE) In a grocery store, or in a nice resturant that is not a family resturant. Out of respect to others.

Parents should also control their kids when it becomes hygenitc issues. Ie) when kids are stickign their finguers in to bulk foods.
 

MikeyDB

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Yeah I get it...

Once they've got their fingers in the bulk food...well...how much longer could it possibly be until they're whispering gangsta rap while they relieve you of your wallet....at the point of a nine-milly...

Prison and hard labor for all children and the parents of children who get rowdy at restaurants!

Pass this petition around and see how many signatures you can collect...:)
 

Nikki

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Yeah I get it...

Once they've got their fingers in the bulk food...well...how much longer could it possibly be until they're whispering gangsta rap while they relieve you of your wallet....at the point of a nine-milly...

Prison and hard labor for all children and the parents of children who get rowdy at restaurants!

Pass this petition around and see how many signatures you can collect...:)


:roll:

The point is that some things are unacceptable, rude and plain disgusting.
 

MikeyDB

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:roll:

The point is that some things are unacceptable, rude and plain disgusting.

Now now not everyone watches CPAC....

Grown children pretending to be managers and executives behaving in a manner that no mother or father would tolerate from their children....

Disgusting and adult....say.....