Le Québec et la domination anglophone

[TabarnakCafe]

Comparing Montreal with Toronto is like comparing apples with oranges. Montreal is nothing like Toronto, as we have a bilingual city here. We have English and French universities, schools, hospitals, TV, radio, newspapers, people ... etc). Both the English and French speaking communities have co-existed within the city for many generations.

Ok then, is Ottawa an orange or an apple? French hospitals and schools are closing in Ontario... By political choice. You wouldn't talk about that.

Also, you say up above "don't you think it's normal to have nurses that speak French in a city where the majority of taxpayers speak French". Sure I do, but which city? The island of Montreal is made up of 15 separate municipalities, including Montreal. Only three of those towns have a majority French speaking population (Montreal, Montreal East and Saint Anne de Bellevue). The other twelve (Hampstead, Cote Saint Luc, Montreal West, Town of Mount Royal, Westmount, Baie D'Urfe, Beaconsfield, D.D.O, Dorval, Kirkland, Pointe Claire and Senneville) all have a majority English speaking population. These towns were all granted bilingual status on the basis that the English speakers outnumbered the French speakers. So what's wrong with these towns having English speaking nurses as they would be catering to a majority of the town residents?

Simply because hospitals are funded by the province and not by the municipal instances. My initial statement should have used the term province instead of city.

 

[John Muff]

Like if Montreal would be: "Quebec"...

Hi there,

It's funny to see how Quebec is seen in "Canada"... We are not Canadians, as your beer slogan say it... On est Quebecois.

Speeking of Montreal: What's the problem with the english access. There is tons of all they need in both official languages, I should repeat one word here, OFFICIAL... Never english Montrealers have ever complained of Montreal. The fact is that all english municipalities, or so, report no problem whatsoever with their neighborhood access to services, in english as well.

I would like to mention that Quebecers, for the ones who didn't know that is one of the few provinces that give such an easy access to english courses. (My daughter, Grade 1, does have english classes) I would say too, that even though we don't recognized our "link/bound/whatever" it's in knowing why. We do have mandatory Canadian history classes in many grades and an optional one dealing with civilisations history.

I am well armed when I tell you that I disaprouve the english Canadians in saying that Quebec's land belongs to them as much as me or my neighbors. Hehe !!! Funny, unless you recognize our differences how can we hope that you "speek" the "same language" as us...

Reading more and more of it make me more and more willing into keeping all of my ministries under provincial(to become national) jurisdictions... The west is so much different culturally and in it's need that divisions are the best for everyones sake.

My own opinion, "shoot" i'm ready for it !!!

Peacefully, (as it dosen't seems possible for many)

John Muff

 

[sanctus]

It's when I ear... The "Bloc Quebecois" doesn't have anything to do in the Federal politics... Ehhhh !!! Peoples actually gave them their votes... I think it's just a "stiff" warning that Quebec may not like being left behind, as in a well known Signature Treaty... f

I'm French-Canadian, and you would hear me say that the Bloc should not have seats in Parliament. No regional party should. Quebec has not been left behind of anything. It is part of one of the best nations on earth, and as PM Trudeau once said(paraphrasing here), why settle for a piece of the country when all of it is yours to have?

 

[sanctus]

Hi there,

It's funny to see how Quebec is seen in "Canada"... We are not Canadians, as your beer slogan say it... On est Quebecois.

I am well armed when I tell you that I disaprouve the english Canadians in saying that Quebec's land belongs to them as much as me or my neighbors. Hehe !!! Funny, unless you recognize our differences how can we hope that you "speek" the "same language" as us...f

It is funny that you write that, and it is inaccurate. You ARE Canadians and that should be sufficient for you. And Quebec certainly belongs to any Canadian citizen just as Ontario does, Manitoba, etc.,etc.

Some people in that province need to get past the small-minded mentality that they are a seperate country. Quebec has never been a seperate country. From its colonial days until now, the province has always been ruled from outside of its borders.,

 

[sanctus]

Speeking of Montreal: What's the problem with the english access. There is tons of all they need in both official languages, I should repeat one word here, OFFICIAL... Never english Montrealers have ff

The entire province should be bi-lingual in its signs and other public areas. That is fair. why does the rest of the country have to have both languages on everything, but not in your province?

 

[John Muff]

Dear "sanctus", keep hope in peace...

Dear sanctus,

I wouldn't want to disappoint you, but referendum on sovereignty isn't a national matter but rather a provincial one so please keep your comments on thoses basis of law.

I can't wait to see what arguments will be brought in the next referendum; will see who was right...

John Muff

 

[Toro]

Could y'all stop speaking Spanish.

This is an English-speaking board.

 

[John Muff]

I'm French-Canadian, and you would hear me say that the Bloc should not have seats in Parliament. No regional party should. Quebec has not been left behind of anything. It is part of one of the best nations on earth, and as PM Trudeau once said(paraphrasing here), why settle for a piece of the country when all of it is yours to have?

Hi sanctus, it's me again,

It's funny when you say provincial political parties, If the west would have been allowed to vote for the Bloc, there would have had so much more votes.

We are a country that believe in strong provincial powers within a supportive federal alliance. And so far, only Québec as shown that it is in it's best interest to have a voice speaking our language in the House.

It's up to all provinces to speak up for themselves and stop complaining that negotiation is hard. Canadians will one day have to recognized that Québec as sovereign values and that we are not to follow groups of individuals that doesn't support what we believe in... There is thousands of exemples.

We want to decide if "The Kirpan", the knife believers must wear at any time, would be allowed in schools... The Québec S. Court had ruled it illegal, while your "Canadian (minus Québec) Constitution ruled it against the Charter.

Do you believe sanctus that school children should possess weapon in classroom. If you are a tru "French-Canadian" as you like the designation, you'll hate this idea, for sure. Basically, we are different on many matter and should have the POWER to get things done. Not as the present central government, way to centralized to see clear.

Have a good one there, and, peace on earth, stop the war.

John Muff

 

[sanctus]

Dear sanctus,

I wouldn't want to disappoint you, but referendum on sovereignty isn't a national matter but rather a provincial one so please keep your comments on thoses basis of law.

I can't wait to see what arguments will be brought in the next referendum; will see who was right...

John Muff

Obviously. My point is this idea you propose that somehow what happens in Quebec is none of our business outside of Quebec. Quebec needs to get rid of that notion. We are one country, and what happens in one province is as much my business as it is yours. It is very small-minded to focus all attention on sections when you have the whole. I am again paraphrasing Trudeau when he commented that all of Canada belong equally to us all. Why limit yourself to a small chunck when you can belong to all of it?

 

[sanctus]

We are a country that believe in strong provincial powers within a supportive federal alliance. And so far, only Québec as shown that it is in it's best interest to have a voice speaking our language in the House.

That is Quebecs ideology. Many of us do not agree. Odd that you suggest that, for that was pretty much the Clark governments take on the country, way back when. His idea didn't fly with the country as a whole. We are not an association of seperate pieces with a central advisory board. We have a strong federal government trying to keep various pieces of the country from dominating the rest.

 

[sanctus]

If you are a tru "French-Canadian" as you like the designation, you'll hate this idea, for sure. Basically, we are different on many matter and should have the POWER to get things done.John Muff

Don't assume to inform me that I must accept a certain point of view to be a "true" French-Canadian. My grandparents came from Quebec to Ontario, and 3/4 of my family live in Quebec still. I am French-Canadian by descent, but that is all. I am first and foremost a Canadian. that is what I am prouder of.

 

[sanctus]

We want to decide if "The Kirpan", the knife believers must wear at any time, would be allowed in schools... The Québec S. Court had ruled it illegal, while your "Canadian (minus Québec) Constitution ruled it against the Charter.

Do you believe sanctus that school children should possess weapon in classroom. If you are a tru "French-Canadian" as you like the designation, you'll hate this idea, for sure. f

This is a totally separate issue from Quebec becoming independant. And my attitude on this matter has nothing to do with my racial heritage. I don't have to think any particularway based on my ancestry. As A CANADIAN, I personally don't think we should allow immigrants into the country that are not Christian, or at least European or Asian in descent. Certainly we should close the borders to everyone from the Middle East.But that is, as I said, not the issue at hand here.

 

[McDonald]

We can argue about the sovereignty question all we want, bu the fact of the matter is that the Quebec parliament (L'assemblé national) does not have the right to take Québec out of Canada. It will not happen, and it is not negotiable. No one can break Canada apart. Québec belongs to all quebeckers, anglo and franco, and to all Canadians. Québec belongs to Canada, it IS Canada, and it is NOT a country and it never will be. It does not have the right to negotiate for independence, and it does not have the force to fight for it militarily. Franco-Quebeckers can call themselves Québécois, and deny their Canadian nationality all they want to until they are blue in the face... Québec is a part of Canada. There is no room for argument about it.

 

[TabarnakCafe]

We can argue about the sovereignty question all we want, bu the fact of the matter is that the Quebec parliament (L'assemblé national) does not have the right to take Québec out of Canada. It will not happen, and it is not negotiable. No one can break Canada apart. Québec belongs to all quebeckers, anglo and franco, and to all Canadians. Québec belongs to Canada, it IS Canada, and it is NOT a country and it never will be. It does not have the right to negotiate for independence, and it does not have the force to fight for it militarily. Franco-Quebeckers can call themselves Québécois, and deny their Canadian nationality all they want to until they are blue in the face... Québec is a part of Canada. There is no room for argument about it.

It's not because you think so that it is your way my friend. Countries are not eternal. Political geography has changed many time thorough history. More than often driven by blood and violence. But we are now proud to live a state of law. A Canada choking to this principle would loose all its credibility in the eyes of the whole western world. No need to say that it is the most valuable thing it is somewhat respected for. With the bill C20 and the 1998 Supreme Court judgement, the Quebec secession is now authorized by the law and by the constitution. It just has to happen according to the rules. Anglo-Canadians will be happier whitout this problem anyway.

http://www.pco-bcp.gc.ca/aia/default.asp?Language=E&page=consfile&sub=clarityact

 

[kellystone]

english is better than esperanto

 

[CanadienA1]

:quebec: Ce que je veux faire savoir, c'est qu'en tant que seule province francophone au Canada, le Québec veut et a besoin d'indépendence. Ce qui va arriver, c'est que l'influence du reste du pays, qui est anglophone, va faire en sorte que, petit à petit, le Québec va devenir lui aussi anglophone. Prenez Montréal comme exemple: les montréalais remettent en question la loi qui faisait que les panneaux soient français-anglais. Montréal va finir par être une ville strictement anglophone, et le reste de la province va suivre par après. La question est: est-ce que nous voulons, en tant que Québécois, devenir anglophones?? Ou voulons-nous continuer à nous démarquer en parlant français? Il ne faut pas se laisser faire, SOUVENEZ VOUS-EN!!!!! :quebec:

Vous parlez pour le Québec?
Le Québec ne veut rien de ce que vous dites, sa fait deux fois qu'ils disent non à votre cher question.

Oui le Français est en perte de vitesse au Québec et au Canada, c'est désolant, mais vous savez qui je blame? Vous les séparatiste!!! C'est vous la cause de toute nos problèmes. C'est vous qui fait que beacoup de Canadien anglais ont de la haine contre le Français. Revenez au 21ièm siècle et arrêtez vos vielle haine qui date de l'empire britanique.

Anyway, the only thing the PQ want and hide is their leftist agenda, nothing more.

 

[McDonald]

It's not because you think so that it is your way my friend. Countries are not eternal. Political geography has changed many time thorough history. More than often driven by blood and violence. But we are now proud to live a state of law. A Canada choking to this principle would loose all its credibility in the eyes of the whole western world. No need to say that it is the most valuable thing it is somewhat respected for. With the bill C20 and the 1998 Supreme Court judgement, the Quebec secession is now authorized by the law and by the constitution. It just has to happen according to the rules. Anglo-Canadians will be happier whitout this problem anyway.

http://www.pco-bcp.gc.ca/aia/default.asp?Language=E&page=consfile&sub=clarityact

Moi, je connais bien la loi sur la clarté référendaire. Je suis son meilleur fan. C'est la raison pour laquelle les Québécois ne choisiront jamais se séparer du Canada. Une majorité de ceux et celles qui a voté <<OUI>> pendant le dernier référendum ont pensé que le Québec continuerait d'utiliser le dollar canadien, que les Québécois continueriont d'utiliser le passeport canadien, etc... La question posée a été évidement absurdement obscure.

Avec une question claire sur la définition de la <<souverainété>>, les futurs référendums vont certainement échouer.

 

[CDNBear]

N'est aucune base pour le Québec au seperate dans la loi d'interational.

 

[El Barto]

C'est le même argument que les séparatistes nous servent depuis 50 ans; nous dire qu'on va disparaître si on reste dans le Canada.

Ce qui est étrange, c'est que le pourcentage de francophones aux Québec est resté sensiblement le même, il a peut-être même augmenté depuis les années 60 alors pour moi, cet argument ne tient pas la route.

YES SIR le séparatiste c'est un idée de dinosaure!

 

[El Barto]

The law 101, in my French lovely province gave me access to public services in a way that if it wouldn't have been a great as that I would have hope to separate so we could collectively share values with peace that our french lovely province would be kept safe.

There is realistically fact to say that we may separate from canadian "values" because, they (Les vrais Englais, comme on les appellent...), sometime for some peoples, dont respect our diversity, INCLUDING THE FRENCH WIDE MAJORITY IN #, sorry for the "CAPS"...

It's when I ear... The "Bloc Quebecois" doesn't have anything to do in the Federal politics... Ehhhh !!! Peoples actually gave them their votes... I think it's just a "stiff" warning that Quebec may not like being left behind, as in a well known Signature Treaty...

We have been underfunded, or refunded should I say... Hehe. We may not always love to see funding goes to Toronto, Ottawa, not to mention Calgary, Vancouver...

Have you ever been to Montreal lately... Bridges are falling from underfunded systems. The highway to get there is so dangerous that I advise any young undertrained fella, Not to take highways...

Back to 101... Mon français yé sauvé... I have learn English SOLELY at school... I have a good french and I thank 101 for it...

We sadly have to keep an eye on our neighbors so we can be recognized as a nation. We are still far from getting known and recognized for our uniqness... Hehe...

I love a Canada that can speek for itself and for it's citizens...

Peace.

Muff

Its funny here in quebec we are way over taxed and we still don't have enough money. but its the french thing to do is to blame the federal gouvernment which the majority of its prime ministers come from Quebec! The problem with this provence is not the English but the french it's self. oh and I'm french by the way:wave: How come there's more french descendants from this provence that live elsewhere. that I believe would round off to 9 times this population. Even if we seperated we would have to shove our head up our own ass as to block out the fact that we are surounded by anglophones!
The protection of this language starts at home. Not with this YO generation will we ever save this language! If the PQ party was ever serious they wouldn't of indebted this provence further! How can anyone be sovereign with an accumulating debt over our head, Oh thanks for the extra 2.4 billion that wasn't counted for in your last two budgets MR Landry!