Latest Poll: Conservatives Lead
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Funny link.
lol, even as a staunch supporter of the Liberal Party of Canada, I find that odd as well. They definitely should've put some more ... um, "thought" into that one.
But while we're talking about campaign promises, remember when Conservative Leader Stephen Harper said that he wouldn't use a negative ad campaign? Well, has anyone seen the Conservative ad on television? The one with the guys in the bar, or café, whatever it is, watching television, where they don't say anything good about the Conservatives, and rather spend thirty seconds bashing the Liberals?
lol, even as a staunch supporter of the Liberal Party of Canada, I find that odd as well. They definitely should've put some more ... um, "thought" into that one.
But while we're talking about campaign promises, remember when Conservative Leader Stephen Harper said that he wouldn't use a negative ad campaign? Well, has anyone seen the Conservative ad on television? The one with the guys in the bar, or café, whatever it is, watching television, where they don't say anything good about the Conservatives, and rather spend thirty seconds bashing the Liberals?
if you want some negativity towards the libs look at this:
http://www.proudtobecanadian.ca/blog/
warning: notice the names of columnists at the top of the page.....
http://www.proudtobecanadian.ca/blog/
warning: notice the names of columnists at the top of the page.....
by "staunch supporter of the Liberal Party of Canada" do you mean. Harper scares the sh^t outa me so I'll vote Liberal just to keep them out. Or do you mean you actually support this horrible corrupted government?
Corruption Issues
Heh, a little from Column A, and a little from Column B?
Seriously though, I do actively support the standing Liberal Government. Despite the problems that have arisen around accountability and alleged corruption, I am in favour of their social policies, as well as their economic performance and budgetary practices, moreso than is true with any other mainstream party.
Heh, a little from Column A, and a little from Column B?
Seriously though, I do actively support the standing Liberal Government. Despite the problems that have arisen around accountability and alleged corruption, I am in favour of their social policies, as well as their economic performance and budgetary practices, moreso than is true with any other mainstream party.
Re: Corruption Issues
Uh, Five, the "alleged corruption" was confirmed by Gomery. That means it now is fact, not alleged. My question is, when does someone actually go to jail for any of this? And their budetary practices are simply smoke and mirrors, involving over taxation at numerous levels, and downloading costs to provinces and municipalities, while still demanding the same "standards".
FiveParadox said:
Uh, Five, the "alleged corruption" was confirmed by Gomery. That means it now is fact, not alleged. My question is, when does someone actually go to jail for any of this? And their budetary practices are simply smoke and mirrors, involving over taxation at numerous levels, and downloading costs to provinces and municipalities, while still demanding the same "standards".
However...
However, one must keep in mind the the Hon. Justice Gomery also exaunerated the Rt. Hon. Paul Martin in relation to the Sponsorship Scandal; personally, I choose to believe his assertion. I cannot believe that simply because one is a Minister of the Crown, even one as notable as the Minister of Finance, that one would be aware of all activities taking place within the party, most notably those were apparently attempted to have been conducted outside of the public eye.
However, one must keep in mind the the Hon. Justice Gomery also exaunerated the Rt. Hon. Paul Martin in relation to the Sponsorship Scandal; personally, I choose to believe his assertion. I cannot believe that simply because one is a Minister of the Crown, even one as notable as the Minister of Finance, that one would be aware of all activities taking place within the party, most notably those were apparently attempted to have been conducted outside of the public eye.
Re: However...
Gomery does not have the right to exonerate Martin... only the Canadian taxpayer can do that - it was their money that was stolen. No one is saying he was actively aware of what was going on, or 'in the loop'. But as the senior Quebec Minister and high ranking member of the party, it is inconceivable that he didn't know there was a 'loop'. It is a case of being willfully ignorant. Nothing more, nothing less.
FiveParadox said:
Gomery does not have the right to exonerate Martin... only the Canadian taxpayer can do that - it was their money that was stolen. No one is saying he was actively aware of what was going on, or 'in the loop'. But as the senior Quebec Minister and high ranking member of the party, it is inconceivable that he didn't know there was a 'loop'. It is a case of being willfully ignorant. Nothing more, nothing less.
Gomery's Mandate
The Hon. Justice Gomery had a mandate to determine who was responsible for the Sponsorship Scandal having occurred. Keeping this in mind, he determined that the Rt. Hon. Paul Martin was not responsible for the corruption-related components of the Sponsorship program. The Government gave him a mandate to do his job impartially, and that he did.
The Hon. Justice Gomery had a mandate to determine who was responsible for the Sponsorship Scandal having occurred. Keeping this in mind, he determined that the Rt. Hon. Paul Martin was not responsible for the corruption-related components of the Sponsorship program. The Government gave him a mandate to do his job impartially, and that he did.
Everybody seems to forget the mess that was handed over to Martin when Cretin had left. I was glad to see that one go, and it would suck for anyone to take over the leadership of that party after all that has occurred. It could've been Mother Friken Theresa taking over the liberal leadership, and people would still get out the tar and feathers for her because of the previous leaders corruption/incompetance.
Lest not ye forget that It takes longer to weed a political party than a garden.
Lest not ye forget that It takes longer to weed a political party than a garden.
The question that needs to be asked of the Libs is Who's going to jail ? :x Answer No one will be going to jail for theft and fraud of our money :evil:
MMMike said:
Supposedly the Liberal Party has paid back, or promised to pay back, the one point something million dollars that has been officially identified as winding up in their hands.
They have not coughed up any of the 40 million bucks that are still missing.
They refuse to identify the candidates in previous elections that recieved stolen money as illegal election cash. Some of these would be sitting MPs.
This is like a gang robs a bank of 40 million dollars, and when caught, agrees to pay back the 1.7 million they spent, keeps the 38.3 million they have yet to spend, and refuses to identify many of the members involved in the robbery............and expects the respect and thanks of the people for acting so fairly.
My God, we have to get this scum out of office.
And Harper scares people? It is to laugh.
parties don't sue parties. it is similar to "honour amungst thieves". when the cons don't want to go over the line because then they will have to worry about retribution later (should they ever have enough power to pillage).
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"My God, we have to get this scum out of office.
And Harper scares people? It is to laugh."
and be equally vigilant in keeping other scum out of office!
Harper does not scare me. I know what he is.
What scares me is a populace being misled by him. Anybody remember the story of the Pied Piper?
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"My God, we have to get this scum out of office.
And Harper scares people? It is to laugh."
and be equally vigilant in keeping other scum out of office!
Harper does not scare me. I know what he is.
What scares me is a populace being misled by him. Anybody remember the story of the Pied Piper?
To me, the worst part of the entire exercise is Martin sanctimoniously claiming to have cleaned up the mess......while carefully protecting the identity of MPs that broke election rules and took stolen money.
Outrageous!
To defend Liberal corruption by saying the CPC might turn out to be corrupt is disingenuous, to say the least.
If the CPC turns out to be corrupt, we will turn them out in turn. But it is their turn, if you get my drift.
That's how a democracy is supposed to work.
Outrageous!
To defend Liberal corruption by saying the CPC might turn out to be corrupt is disingenuous, to say the least.
If the CPC turns out to be corrupt, we will turn them out in turn. But it is their turn, if you get my drift.
That's how a democracy is supposed to work.
colpy,
that is to say let each of two piggies their turn at the trough so each can be equally well nourished.
no thanks, i have never eaten pig in my life so i have no taste for piggies.
i am being fair in identifying harper and the CPC as opportunists.
now you see how we don't have democracy in canada. we have a game of "pin the leadership on the donkey", or "pick your dictator". Blah. (good thing there are ways around them)
that is to say let each of two piggies their turn at the trough so each can be equally well nourished.
no thanks, i have never eaten pig in my life so i have no taste for piggies.
i am being fair in identifying harper and the CPC as opportunists.
now you see how we don't have democracy in canada. we have a game of "pin the leadership on the donkey", or "pick your dictator". Blah. (good thing there are ways around them)
Re: RE: Latest Poll: Conservatives Lead
You are right that Harper et al are opportunists.....what politician is not?
However, this comes down to a matter of degree, and a weighing of options.
To me, the NDP are completely out. They are the antithesis of what I believe to be right in policy matters, especially in foreign affairs. On the corruption front, they are clean, and would probably be reasonably clean in gov't.....but that is not everything.
So, I am left with two choices. (the Greens are right out......I know the candidate here well, and he is a NUT) The Liberals and the CPC are very close policy-wise, despite all crys to the contrary. As well, the Liberals are determined to steal my guns. So....the CPC gets the nod, as they are NOT corrupt yet anyway.
What I can not understand is NDP supporters voting Liberal. To me, that is just crazy.
the caracal kid said:
You are right that Harper et al are opportunists.....what politician is not?
However, this comes down to a matter of degree, and a weighing of options.
To me, the NDP are completely out. They are the antithesis of what I believe to be right in policy matters, especially in foreign affairs. On the corruption front, they are clean, and would probably be reasonably clean in gov't.....but that is not everything.
So, I am left with two choices. (the Greens are right out......I know the candidate here well, and he is a NUT) The Liberals and the CPC are very close policy-wise, despite all crys to the contrary. As well, the Liberals are determined to steal my guns. So....the CPC gets the nod, as they are NOT corrupt yet anyway.
What I can not understand is NDP supporters voting Liberal. To me, that is just crazy.
Re: RE: Latest Poll: Conservatives Lead
Got to love it!
I said I was not going to pay any attention to the polls until after the New Year.....and the news is good!
Happy New Year!
Now, the Conservatives have to keep gaining.....to be able to govern effectively they need a majority government......possible with as little as 40%, if some Liberal voters stay home, and the NDP/Liberals split the remaining vote.
Not a fair system, one would hope in future for some reform of the FPTP electoral system, but you must admit a Conservative majority over a split left wing vote would be ironic justice, considering the Liberals ruled that way for 10 years.
As well, I trust only the CPC to reform the electoral system.
Texas1 said:
Got to love it!
I said I was not going to pay any attention to the polls until after the New Year.....and the news is good!
Happy New Year!
Now, the Conservatives have to keep gaining.....to be able to govern effectively they need a majority government......possible with as little as 40%, if some Liberal voters stay home, and the NDP/Liberals split the remaining vote.
Not a fair system, one would hope in future for some reform of the FPTP electoral system, but you must admit a Conservative majority over a split left wing vote would be ironic justice, considering the Liberals ruled that way for 10 years.
As well, I trust only the CPC to reform the electoral system.
Yep it’s great, on the 24th Bush will meet with PMSH then in the afternoon the CPC will abolish abortion, the gun registry, SSM, then make private clinics the only options for health care oh and slam the door on immigrants. Then on the 25th there will be a concealed carry law put on the books.
Just stating what some will post here this afternoon
Just stating what some will post here this afternoon