Klein calling for changes in charter of rights! Told you so!

[cyberclark]

The election over, Ralph is saying he wants to change the charter of rights. I would think its all but a done deal but, watch what they want to change!Paul Martin has speculated he would like to know what is in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms that Mr. Stephen Harper would like to get into so much.

I offer this up:

Put limitations on internet use covering items like posts during elections. Open up email for easier access by Government so they can run witch hunts at their leisure.

Open the door to make it illegal to criticize a Government? This happens in the US!

Property rights – sounds good. What kind of property? Guns? Automobiles and their liability? That’s possible. Claw back of mineral rights? Allow Government to easily rip away water rights such as they are?

Canadian citizenship: When is it effective? How it can be cancelled? What hooks the Government can exercise when you are abroad? Choice based on race or color allowed? Choice based on height or health allowed?

I think we all should wonder what Mr. Harper and his Conservatives want when they open the Charter of Rights and Freedoms as they say they are going to!

cyberclark@shaw.ca

 

[the caracal kid]

RE: Klein calling for changes in charter of rights! Told you

Ralphy-boy!?!?

He must be euphoric these days now that there is somebody who will listen to everything he spouts off.

Something is rotten in....

 

[Jay]

RE: Klein calling for changes in charter of rights! Told you

Let's just scrap the Charter.

 

[Tresson]

Re: RE: Klein calling for changes in charter of rights! Told

Let's just scrap the Charter.

Yeah it'sa so much easier to abuse people that we hate without it.

 

[Colpy]

Re: Klein calling for changes in charter of rights! Told you

The election over, Ralph is saying he wants to change the charter of rights. I would think its all but a done deal but, watch what they want to change!Paul Martin has speculated he would like to know what is in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms that Mr. Stephen Harper would like to get into so much.

I offer this up:

Put limitations on internet use covering items like posts during elections. Open up email for easier access by Government so they can run witch hunts at their leisure.

Open the door to make it illegal to criticize a Government? This happens in the US!

Property rights – sounds good. What kind of property? Guns? Automobiles and their liability? That’s possible. Claw back of mineral rights? Allow Government to easily rip away water rights such as they are?

Canadian citizenship: When is it effective? How it can be cancelled? What hooks the Government can exercise when you are abroad? Choice based on race or color allowed? Choice based on height or health allowed?

I think we all should wonder what Mr. Harper and his Conservatives want when they open the Charter of Rights and Freedoms as they say they are going to!

cyberclark@shaw.ca

This is just silly.

Why not wait until the Feds actually talk about some of this stuff before you smear Harper et al with paranoid accusations?

The only thing I have heard suggested in relation to changing the Charter is the addition of the right to property. A good thing. An addition to your rights, not the removal of them.

Geez.

 

[FiveParadox]

Re: Klein calling for changes in charter of rights! Told you

Let's just scrap the Charter.

I vehemently oppose that statement. Our Charter of Rights and Freedoms is perhaps the one legislative measure we have in force today that can protect our rights and freedoms against the potentially oppressive rule of the House of Commons and the Senate.

Because of our Charter, our Supreme Court of Canada can tear up any Act of Parliament — as it should, in my opinion, if one's rights and freedoms are to be infringed upon.

The only thing I have heard suggested in relation to changing the Charter is the addition of the right to property. A good thing. An addition to your rights, not the removal of them.

Is anyone aware of what types of "property" would be covered by such an amendment to the Constitution Acts? "Property rights" could cover any number of measures — the right to bear firearms, for example (which I would oppose), or the right to unilaterally develop your own land (which, incidentally, I would also oppose).

:arrow: Increased RCMP Access to Private Information

We should keep in mind, please, that the measure that would have authorized the RCMP to access our private information over the Internet, Bill C-74, An Act regulating telecommunications facilities to facilitate the lawful interception of information transmitted by means of those facilities and respecting the provision of telecommunications subscriber information, was dropped from the Order Paper upon the dissolution of the House of Commons.

I oppose measures that would infringe upon the privacy of citizens; in my opinion, while there may be some concessions that we should make in the interest of public safety and emergency preparedness, this is not one of them.

:arrow: Amending the Constitution Acts

Let us keep in mind, please, that an amendment to the Constitution Act, 1982, or any other variation, cannot be made solely on the advice of the House of Commons — not only must the Senate consent, but so too must at least seven Legislative Assemblies of the Provinces, representing no less than a majority of the citizens of Canada.

Amending the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is certainly no cakewalk.

 

[Colpy]

Re: Klein calling for changes in charter of rights! Told you

Let's just scrap the Charter.

I vehemently oppose that statement. Our Charter of Rights and Freedoms is perhaps the one legislative measure we have in force today that can protect our rights and freedoms against the potentially oppressive rule of the House of Commons and the Senate.

Because of our Charter, our Supreme Court of Canada can tear up any Act of Parliament — as it should, in my opinion, if one's rights and freedoms are to be infringed upon.

The only thing I have heard suggested in relation to changing the Charter is the addition of the right to property. A good thing. An addition to your rights, not the removal of them.

Is anyone aware of what types of "property" would be covered by such an amendment to the Constitution Acts? "Property rights" could cover any number of measures — the right to bear firearms, for example (which I would oppose), or the right to unilaterally develop your own land (which, incidentally, I would also oppose).

:arrow: Increased RCMP Access to Private Information

We should keep in mind, please, that the measure that would have authorized the RCMP to access our private information over the Internet, Bill C-74, An Act regulating telecommunications facilities to facilitate the lawful interception of information transmitted by means of those facilities and respecting the provision of telecommunications subscriber information, was dropped from the Order Paper upon the dissolution of the House of Commons.

I oppose measures that would infringe upon the privacy of citizens; in my opinion, while there may be some concessions that we should make in the interest of public safety and emergency preparedness, this is not one of them.

:arrow: Amending the Constitution Acts

Let us keep in mind, please, that an amendment to the Constitution Act, 1982, or any other variation, cannot be made solely on the advice of the House of Commons — not only must the Senate consent, but so too must at least seven Legislative Assemblies of the Provinces, representing no less than a majority of the citizens of Canada.

Amending the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is certainly no cakewalk.

I would agree with most of your post, Five.

However, property rights are one of our ancient rights under English Common Law (see william Blackstone), and it is a disgrace they are not included in the Charter.

I'm not sure how property rights would affect the right to keep arms, except the gov't could not seize legally purchased arms without compensation, which they have been doing for 30 years.

 

[Jersay]

Re: Klein calling for changes in charter of rights! Told you

I would agree with most of your post, Five.

However, property rights are one of our ancient rights under English Common Law (see william Blackstone), and it is a disgrace they are not included in the Charter.

I'm not sure how property rights would affect the right to keep arms, except the gov't could not seize legally purchased arms without compensation, which they have been doing for 30 years.

With the gun hand ban, that what the Liberals were going to do, wasn't it, wouldn't they pay for the handguns and give compensation for it.

So why do you need to instill it in the Charter?

 

[Semperfi_dani]

RE: Klein calling for cha

Have I mentioned enough times on this board how much i DESPISE Ralph? Like its not even a slight hatred. It's the boiling in your belly hatred. Gah...freaking retire already you fat bastard.

 

[Jersay]

Re: Klein calling for changes in charter of rights! Told you

:lol:

King Ralph will have to die before he retires.

 

[Semperfi_dani]

RE: Klein calling for cha

Well allegedly he is going to retire. But he won't even allow his members to start vying for the position. Gah. hate him. It's not even a hatred out of rationality anymore. I mean, he could send me a million dollars in a royalty cheque, and I would give him the finger, than cash the cheque. hahahah.

 

[Jersay]

Re: Klein calling for changes in charter of rights! Told you

That's some hate.

Maybe you should go to a Witch, woops, I mean Wiccan and have them cast a potion on him or something. :wink:

 

[the caracal kid]

RE: Klein calling for changes in charter of rights! Told you

now jersay,

you should know that witches do not cast negative spells because what you cast comes back on one.

 

[Colpy]

Re: Klein calling for changes in charter of rights! Told you

I would agree with most of your post, Five.

However, property rights are one of our ancient rights under English Common Law (see william Blackstone), and it is a disgrace they are not included in the Charter.

I'm not sure how property rights would affect the right to keep arms, except the gov't could not seize legally purchased arms without compensation, which they have been doing for 30 years.

With the gun hand ban, that what the Liberals were going to do, wasn't it, wouldn't they pay for the handguns and give compensation for it.

So why do you need to instill it in the Charter?

The right to property needs to be instilled in the Charter because it is an ancient right under English Common Law, and I do not like to see rights removed. The Charter actually removed our right to property, if you consider the Charter to be the beginning and end of our rights.

The proposed handgun ban would have been the first time compensation was paid for guns seized and destroyed. And yes, the government seized and destroyed many types of legally purchased firearms after both the 1993 and the 1995 laws were passed.

 

[the caracal kid]

RE: Klein calling for changes in charter of rights! Told you

colpy,

simply because something existed under "english common law" does not necessitate our adoption or enshrining of it.

 

[Jersay]

Re: Klein calling for changes in charter of rights! Told you

now jersay,

you should know that witches do not cast negative spells because what you cast comes back on one.

Damn. To bad.

 

[FiveParadox]

RE: Klein calling for changes in charter of rights! Told you

Colpy, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms may be the beginning of rights, but it is certainly not the end of the same.

The Right Honourable Beverly McLachlin, Chief Justice of Canada and Privy Councillor, has determined that the Charter is only the bare minimum of which rights are to be afforded to citizens; the Charter serves as a base of rights that cannot be violated, whereas the House of Commons and the Senate are authorized to expand upon those rights.

 

[Jersay]

Re: Klein calling for changes in charter of rights! Told you

So the charter is to ensure that rights of someone is not violated right?

 

[FiveParadox]

RE: Klein calling for changes in charter of rights! Told you

Any Act of Parliament that would violate the Constitution Acts, including the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms thereof, is to be deemed unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of Canada (or the relevent Supreme or Superior Court of a Province), and hence disallowed.

 

[cyberclark]

Re: Klein calling for changes in charter of rights! Told you

I have been right in my predictions about 99.5 percent of the time.

I do not see the urgency of property rights as it applies to your house and home. The court system is working good in that regard. Expropriations were turned over in Edmonton a few years back and the guy came out with 30 times more than offered by the city while the city picked up the costs of the court. That was about a Gravel pit.

Getting a reason to open an act is an old political ploy. It is my feeling that the property rights is just a key to do that. Once open the politcals don't have to vote on anything to get the changes put in.

Like in Alberta: Klein and company put up a rash of BS about moving the Red Deer River to Drumheller. This got every one upset and concerned about the Red River.

Meanwhile they have a fully engineered water project "Weatherford Engineering" sitting on the shelf and all they need to pull it off is the act open.

It would play out like this:
Open the act on the pretense of moving the Red Deer River. Reconsider publicly that you have "listened" to the people and get some brownie points. The act now open, put in the interbasin transferes needed to move the Peace River.

I see the charter of rights debate one of the same scams.