Kerry's Freudian Slip

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I'll spend a bit looking up SwiftBoat Veterans - they were the guys who actually served in VietNam while Kerry sucked up to people....

There is discussion about his Purple Heart - that his wound was self-inflicted - so he could be sent home stateside... but I don't know if this is on the internet or not... it certainly was discussed during the campaigns.

When he was running for president in 2004 - they mounted a campaign and disclosed his pandering to anything that would promote him reputation as a "military man".....and then his 180 when he returned
and became a vocal dissenter against the war.

I have yet to see him stick to any one issue and stay the course.
That's most politicians, isn't it?

As much as i dislike Harper and his biblical mandate to re-educate the homosexual community. I must say i was impressed with his about face on income trusts. From what I can tell, and I do not claim to know much on the subject, he did what was good for Canada, not big business.
 

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I Google'd and found a few but Google isn't the place to go - they were behind Kerry's campaign....I know where I can find archival material but I don't have time right now - flu shot at 11am - ick....

My Canadian uncle was at Cam Ranh Bay with Kerry and when he heard he was going to run for president he went out and tied one on....which is unusual for him these days.... he could not believe it.

Here's one link to get you going:http://www.swiftvets.com/index.php

Here is one of the chapters (there are many)...



John Kerry in Vietnam .
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John Kerry's service in Vietnam lasted 4 months and 12 days, beginning in November 1968 when he reported to Cam Ranh Bay for a month of training. His abbreviated combat tour ended shortly after he requested a transfer out of Vietnam on March 17, 1969, citing Navy instruction 1300.39 permitting personnel with three Purple Hearts to request reassignment. So far as we are able to determine, Kerry was the only Swift sailor ever to leave Vietnam without completing the standard one-year tour of duty, other than those who were seriously wounded or killed.
It is clear that at least one of Kerry's Purple Heart awards was the result of his own negligence, not enemy fire, and that Kerry went to unusual lengths to obtain the award after being turned down by his own commanding officer.
John Kerry has long insisted that using the three-injury loophole to leave combat early was his own idea, but Kerry's fellow Swift officer Thomas Wright, who served on occasion as the OIC (Officer in Charge) of Kerry's boat group, contradicts that claim. Wright reports that he "had a lot of trouble getting Kerry to follow orders," and that those who worked with Kerry found him "oriented towards his personal, rather than unit goals and objectives." He therefore requested that Kerry be removed from his boat group. After John Kerry qualified for his third Purple Heart, Thomas Wright and two fellow officers informed him of the obscure regulation, and told him to go home. Wright concluded, "We knew how the system worked and we didn’t want him in Coastal Division 11."
Constructing a complete picture of Kerry's service is difficult due to gaps in the Naval records provided by the Kerry campaign. These gaps include missing and incomplete fitness reports, missing medical records and missing records related to his medal awards.
For this reason we call upon Senator Kerry to authorize complete access to all his military records by filing a standard Form 180, a simple two-page release form.
Swift Vets and POWs for Truth is in the process of researching John Kerry's time in Vietnam by conducting interviews with eyewitnesses to his activities, and we plan to add material to this section over the next several weeks as it becomes available. We will report the true circumstances of Kerry's medal awards and injuries, describe other controversial missions, and provide in-depth analysis of his fitness reports.
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Kerry's Medals
1st Purple Heart: December 2, 1968
2nd Purple Heart: February 20, 1969
Silver Star: February 28, 1969
Bronze Star / 3rd Purple Heart: March 13, 1969
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It is clear that at least one of Kerry's Purple Heart awards was the result of his own negligence, not enemy fire, and that Kerry went to unusual lengths to obtain the award after being turned down by his own commanding officer.
John Kerry has long insisted that using the three-injury loophole to leave combat early was his own idea, but Kerry's fellow Swift officer Thomas Wright, who served on occasion as the OIC (Officer in Charge) of Kerry's boat group. Wright reports that he "had a lot of trouble getting Kerry to follow orders," and that those who worked with Kerry found him "oriented towards his personal, rather than unit goals and objectives." He therefore requested that Kerry be removed from his boat group. After John Kerry qualified for his third Purple Heart, Thomas Wright and two fellow officers informed him of the obscure regulation, and told him to go home. Wright concluded, "We knew how the system worked and we didn’t want him in Coastal Division 11."
Constructing a complete picture of Kerry's service is difficult due to gaps in the rovided by the Kerry campaign. These gaps include missing and incomplete fitness
 
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I can get you a picture of General Perone, he's got losta pretty ribbons too. So do alot of Canadian Commanding Officers, most have never seen serious service either. So your point was?
 

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My point is, that this whole topic is completely political. An earlier post called for Kerry's military records. To make it fair, let's have G.W. Bush's records and medals.
 

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My point is, that this whole topic is completely political. An earlier post called for Kerry's military records. To make it fair, let's have G.W. Bush's records and medals.
I would have no doubt that someone somewhere has pictures of his medals, but I would laugh even harder at them, then I did at Kerry's. I thought Kerry was a real Vet. But he didn't do a complete tour and escaped it by using a loophole. How truely politician like.

Ummm, Juan. This is a political forum. I kind of thought the point of the threads here, was to be political. No?
 

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Yes it is a political forum, but I get the feeling that some here are trying a little too hard because they are "agin" the Democrats. Republicans would have us believe that all Kerry's Purple Heart injuries could have been fixed with a band aid. He does have a Silver Star and a Bronze Star. Somebody must have thought he did something right.
 

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Yes it is a political forum, but I get the feeling that some here are trying a little too hard because they are "agin" the Democrats. Republicans would have us believe that all Kerry's Purple Heart injuries could have been fixed with a band aid. He does have a Silver Star and a Bronze Star. Somebody must have thought he did something right.
Hey I was impressed by his service, I thought he saw extensive action, we all know how I feel about Soldiers. But I also know that it is common place to have sons of rich and powerful people do limited service in combat theaters to boost the image, with no real threat to them.

Perhaps my first remark was a bit flippant, in reguards to his medals. But I do not believe Bush has any credible military service under his belt, but more and more Kerry's is looking slim. You say this looks like Dem vs. Rep. Well you fueled those fires with your tone towards Kerry as much as anyone here has poured water on it from the rep side.
 

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My point is, that this whole topic is completely political. An earlier post called for Kerry's military records. To make it fair, let's have G.W. Bush's records and medals.

And to make it fair the original quoted writer should document Bush's "freudian slips", however that would be a life long project.
 

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I am certain Juan - you realize that the U.S. military give out medals for just landing into a battle whether you are the Kitchen Ops or active fighting unit.

Kerry was lousy military material - no matter how you want to change the truth.
 

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Sorry Bear....


I got bored there are too many articles about Kerry's "military service". It isn't important here as few of you have any say in the matter so I'll check out now....and you can continue with your tinfoil commentary or other illusionary data you wish to log on with... I'll be happy if Masschusetts stop sending failures to the election podiums.

Here is another writer - not of fame but a good essayist....

http://www.politicalopinion.com/po_essay_0111042006.htm


www.PoliticalOpinion.com



Halping Private Carry




by [URL="http://www.politicalopinion.com/aboutme.htm"]Edward Wronka



[/URL]Typically its not wise for political parties to dwell on the gaffes of their opponents, as a gaffe by its very nature doesn’t typically contain much in the way of substance in the more important battle of ideas that really make a difference between two political parties competing for votes in our democracy.



But the recent "botched joke" of Senator John Kerry may deserve an even deeper inspection, especially in light of the fact that this was the opposition party’s top choice to replace the President two short years ago.



That’s right! This was the number one guy that the Democrats all across the country chose to become the new Commander of Chief, in charge of the very people who, whether they can bring himself to admit it or not, are the punch line of the very joke he botched. He even received 48% of the popular vote in his bid to unseat President Bush, only a few ACORN voter registration scams away from paydirt.



The first important point that needs to be made is about whether the joke was actually botched. There are many people like myself who are quite skeptical to believe that the version of the joke that was said to be intended by John Kerry’s aides, that named President Bush as the explicit punchline, is nothing more than post mortem political damage control alibi. But regardless, even if those intended words came out of the Senator’s mouth, there would’ve still been a moment prior to the punchline where the audience would’ve had to assume he was talking about the military---one moment too long for a candidate already perceived to have contempt for our military (despite whatever time he may have spent being a part of it).


Could you imagine for a moment if Senator Trent Lott had made a joke that in any way could be thought of to be disparaging to African-Americans? His already marred career would be over.

There’s a second important point that needs to be made too. Even if Senator Kerry sincerely held the opinion that our military’s composition draws too much from our nation’s failing education system, how could there be any justification of a statement like that by any politician? Consider for a moment if instead of "stuck in Iraq", Mr. Kerry said, "stuck in McDonalds" or "stuck in janitorial careers" or "stuck collecting garbage". While such professions are sometimes stereotyped to be composed of people who didn’t do well in school, they are very honest and hard-working contributors to our nation, not to be looked down upon by our nation’s leader’s. Thus no politician would ever be allowed to make such a joke---botched or not---without having considered to commit political suicide.

Yet John Kerry made his joke---as it was originally stated---about our military. It was immediately followed, not by an important clarification that he misspoke, but rather a defiant "I apologize to no one". Eventually he said he was sorry---but sorry that people ‘misunderstood’ him. He to this very moment refuses to personally admit that he regrets the words that came out of his mouth. He can’t bring himself to admit HIS mistake, but somehow manages to blame the very people he gaffed claiming they are so dumb as to misunderstand what he meant! Perhaps this is a new level of audacity, even for him.

There is one final point that needs to be shouted from the top of the highest mountain, "The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth were right!"

John Kerry has too long gotten away with simultaneously disparaging the military to the joy of the Cindy Sheehan crowds (formerly known as the Jane Fonda crowds), while maintaining a rather thin façade of claim to be a leader from rank and file military. It has never been true, and it is the raison d’etre of the Swift Boat political group. The Swift Boat group, composed of many actual military men who served with John Kerry, had spent their energy getting out the message that John Kerry had a long record of contempt towards the military. Though their media attack on John Kerry has often been characterized as being unfair by many major media figures, the underlying truth to their message has never been more apparent.

It’ll be interesting to see what political futures lie ahead for John Kerry. If he still decided to run for the Presidency again, my own guess is that he’ll never poll beyond single digits, even in his own party’s primary. Unfortunately, I cannot make any such prediction for any future campaigns for the Senate seat that he now holds, given his state’s horrendous reputation for awarding the other Senate seat against all common sense, logic, or decency to Ted Kennedy. Long live our democracy!





















 
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An exchange of e-mails to and from Senator Kerry - sums up most American feelings of both parties.


[SIZE=+1]Letter of Response - Kerry Email to SoldierDad[/SIZE]
11/3/06 | SoldierDad

Subject: Thank you for your message
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 14:51:34 -0700
From: info@johnkerry.com
To: info@johnkerry.com



Thank you very much for your comments. As a combat veteran, I want to make it clear to anyone in uniform and to their loved ones: my poorly stated joke at a rally was not about, and never intended to refer to any troop.

This is the finest military that we've ever had. I have fought a lifetime on behalf of veterans. We have the finest young men and women serving us in the United States military that we've ever had, and I’m proud of that. As a combat veteran, I know the dedication, integrity, and commitment of American troops. I've lived it. Had George Bush and Dick Cheney lived it one minute of their comfortable lives in combat they would never have sent American troops to war without body armor or without a plan to win the peace and they wouldn't be exploiting our troops today.

The White House's attempt to distort my true statement is a remarkable testament to their failure in making America safe. It is a stunning statement about their willingness to reduce anything in America to raw politics. It is textbook Republican campaign tactic. Try to change the topic; try to make someone else the issue; not the policy, not their responsibility.

I apologize to no one for my criticism of the President and of his broken policy. If anyone owes our troops in the fields an apology, it is the President. It's their willingness to distort, their willingness to mislead Americans, their willingness to exploit the troops, as they have so many times at backdrops, at so many speeches at which they have not told the American people the truth. It’s George Bush's broken policy that kills and maims our heroes in Iraq every single day. His pathetic attempt to distort a botched joke about President Bush is a shameful effort to distract from a botched war.

President Bush owes an apology to our troops and to their families for mistake after mistake in Iraq. George Bush didn't do his homework when he ran from sound intelligence about Iraq. Dick Cheney didn't learn from the lessons of the Gulf War when he forgot his own advice not to get bogged down in Iraq. George Bush didn't do his homework when he ignored General Shinseki's advice to go to war with enough troops to maintain order. This entire administration didn't learn anything about telling the truth; otherwise they would have leveled with the American people that we are stuck in a civil war in Iraq today.

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Letter from Solder Dad to Senator Kerry

The following is my email response to Mr. Kerry's email to me:

First, let me state emphatically, our President owes no one an apology, and he has not "botched" anything regarding the war in Iraq. It is the liberals in this country who keep "botching" things with their partisan, politically motivated attempts to regain power in Congress, while at the same time rendering aid and comfort to our enemies. Liberals should be ashamed of their behavior during this time of war.

Second, you have made a political career out of belittling and bashing our military, Mr. Kerry. You claim to be a combat veteran, but my son has now more time in combat than you ever did, and he is not attempting to wound himself in order to be sent home after a brief stint. Further, your bashing of the President and Vice President rings hollow in light of the fact that you have shown complete support of Mr. Clinton, who not only never served in uniform (as did President Bush), but is known to have gone to foreign countries while we were at war and belittled his own country. Stop this partisan one-sided bashing of convenience, Mr. Kerry.

Third, you do owe all of our troops, as well as President Bush and his administration a huge apology for your hurtful and callous remarks. If you cannot bring yourself to issue a REAL apology, then Americans have no alternative but to know you as the pompous, narcissistic, egomaniacal, self-aggrandizing fool that you've shown yourself to be. Our military is not "stuck" in Iraq, and we are not engaged in a civil war in Iraq. Perhaps you should spend some time over there and ask the people of Iraq if they wish to have our troops there, and if they want to have a peaceful country. Our military and the Iraqi people are fighting insurgents (many from other countries) and terrorists who are trying to move Iraq into a civil war. I'd think that someone who claims to have intelligence would be able to tell the difference. But, perhaps I'm wrong. You don't have any intelligence. My family has four members serving in our armed forces, and all of them are intelligent. They enlisted in order to defend our nation and help the Iraqi people. They were/are full aware of what is at stake, unlike you who seem to think you are above all that. As far as intelligence goes, I'll stack up my B.A. (Suma cum laude, with Honors) and my M.A. against your bought and paid for education from Yale any day.

With going on 3000 troops having sacrificed their lives for people like you to be free to make stupid comments, making your "botched" joke (as you call it) is completely inappropriate. Our nation being at war is not a "joke" Mr. Kerry, and you have no business trying to make "jokes" during this time of war. When I think of people like you being in the positions you are in, I think about what might have been had you, Pelosi, Murtha, Kennedy, Reid, Reed, Schumer, et al had been in Congress during WWII. I can only surmise that we would probably have lost that war.

You need to step down from your Senate seat Mr. Kerry. You are not fit to be a political leader in this nation, and your continued bashing of our military is just providing fodder for our enemies. This is a sad state of affairs when our enemies are rooting for the Liberals in this country to take control of Congress so that they can defeat American. You are an embarrassment and a liability to our nation. Resign now while we still have a chance to win this war.

Sincerely,

Richard L. Pinnell
Proud Father of an American Hero (10th Mountain - Climb to Glory) Proud Uncle of Three American Heroes.
 

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I am certain Juan - you realize that the U.S. military give out medals for just landing into a battle whether you are the Kitchen Ops or active fighting unit.

Kerry was lousy military material - no matter how you want to change the truth.

I notice you like Bush. He was just grand "military material....Right?
 

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I'm a big believer in the Freudian slip. I think that the tongue rarely goes off on its own course and says something that is not rooted in actual reason, or actual thought.


You may have a point there, especially when you consider Bush's remark about,

Our enemies of innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking of new ways to harm our country, and neither do we.
 

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I notice you like Bush. He was just grand "military material....Right?

Given to making things up are we Juan?

Show me - if there are any comparisons - Clinton sucked more than big time - Kerry was a liar - Bush was an unknown.

I don't vote - my husband voted for McCain over Bush. He wasn't alive for the second time around but he sure wouldn't have voted for Kerry. NOthing more disappointing than a military guy who uses his service for self promotion especially when he embellishes it.
 

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I think questionning John Kerry's service during Vietnam is just wrong.

I also think what he said was wrong and stupid to boot. Why the dems ever chose him to run for president is beyond me.