Just give me that old-time atheism
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Re: RE: Just give me that old
I find the whole peace and love message of Jesus to be somewhat spurious...
His words ring rather hollow, don't you think?
media said:
I find the whole peace and love message of Jesus to be somewhat spurious...
His words ring rather hollow, don't you think?
Said1 said:
They were probably fairly serious Christians; most people were at the time. But that's irrelevant. What's relevant is what the founding documents actually say and how the Supreme Court has interpreted them.
media said:The definition of religion isA collection of beliefs) It is not therefore possible to have any government anywhere that does not practice religion. (Atheism is also a religion because it is a collection of beliefs)
If you're going to redefine words to mean whatever you want them to mean to suit your arguments, you can hardly lose, can you? That's not what religion is, that's only a tiny part of it, and neither is atheism a religion. Your ignorance is massive, your logic is sloppy, and I don't think you're worth talking to on this subject.
Dexter Sinister said:
No it's not irrelevant, it's a legitimate question.
This is an interesting link pertaing to the founding fathers and deism.
http://www.deism.org/foundingfathers.htm
8O Sorry you feel that way Dex.
I will always stand firm on my beliefs because of personal experience and faith. It is not my place to judge you, argue with you, or dislike you for the way you feel.
I am sure that both views on this subject (although I am a little confused on what the subject even is now) can come up with numerous arguments. I just know in my heart what is true. And that is not meant to be condescending or superior. It is what it is. Anyone who is open-minded on this subject again can go to and meanwhile I will just keep loving the world.
Eternity is too long to be wrong
I will always stand firm on my beliefs because of personal experience and faith. It is not my place to judge you, argue with you, or dislike you for the way you feel.
I am sure that both views on this subject (although I am a little confused on what the subject even is now) can come up with numerous arguments. I just know in my heart what is true. And that is not meant to be condescending or superior. It is what it is. Anyone who is open-minded on this subject again can go to and meanwhile I will just keep loving the world.
Eternity is too long to be wrong
Said1 said:
Sure it's a legitimate question, in other contexts. It's irrelevant to arguments about the doctrine of separation of church and state in the United States. That's as clear as it could possibly be, in the constitutional documents themselves, in other writings of various of the founders--on which I commend Thomas Jefferson to your attention--and in the judgements of the United States Supreme Court since.
only IF eternity is tied up with something in this life and assumes there is life after demise...... or a carryover of consciousness into another realm.
but in another way......this carries value as "dead" is a very long time........so why not make the best of what one has in the life of here and now.??? "we can't recapture yesterday, and have no clue as to "tomorrow".......so in the final analysis...... the current moment in time is all that truly matters. (IMHO)
media said:
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but your heart is a muscle that pumps blood to and from vital organs and the extremities of the body. It's function is not, nor has it ever been to provide cognisant thought or awareness.
The brain provides that function through a myriad network of neurons and neurotransmitters that emit bioelectric charges to a series of receptors.
So you see, there is no possible way that you could know anything in your heart, but that is the trap that most Christians fall into. They're too damn stupid to differentiate between what's real, and that which is imagined because they've been told that it's so.
Bingo. :thumbleft: Such phrases are metaphors ......and metaphors are the "substance" of believers. Brainwashing into such belief systems starts early ......IF one is born into a "religious " family......and become very hard to shake/dispell as adults without some serious rethink on the whole situation. For many "beliefs" such as the religious variety are a "comfort zone". Straying from this comfort zone is too' "threatening"..... ( yet is liberating beyond comprehension.......as it is only then that one starts to THINK as opposed to "believe" /follow. In fact each "religion " has its own type of conditioning/ er...."brainwashing" and uses fear (of hell or some such nonsense) to keep the followers in a guilt ridden mode......and controlled within a certain mindset.
Most then use words like " I BELIEVE" as opposed to I THINK.... which is a whole different frame of reference. (IMHO)
:? Still loving the world...
But how strange it is that the words diversity and tolerance include every belief and lifestyle except for Christianity.
Thank you for opening my eyes. I had no idea that there was such annimosity (I am sure I spelled that wrong) towards God.
Even though you call me stupid, I still love you and your country.
But how strange it is that the words diversity and tolerance include every belief and lifestyle except for Christianity.
Thank you for opening my eyes. I had no idea that there was such annimosity (I am sure I spelled that wrong) towards God.
Even though you call me stupid, I still love you and your country.
Bulldog, Oh ya :roll: :roll: :roll: reverend blair again! the story of jesus is most certainly a myth...unless you gots something that can prove otherwise.....perhaps you should try giving your message to naked brown people in a hot steamy jungle...oh ya...bets you could find lots wrong in a hot steamy jungle with naked brown people. :? :?
peapod said:
I''m sorry, but I feel you owe media the same courtesy as Rev.
If you chastise her for stating her beliefs (which you disagree with), then you should restrain Rev from stating his. I thought the group would be more courteous to a new member. I am not interesting in brown naked people in the jungle. Rather, I am concerned with equal consideration for members of this group.
Bull Dog
media said:
Hang in there, kid. Cosmo asked why I thought some of the group had been unpleasant to you. Do you feel they have been unpleasant to you?
I am not a popular member of this group either, although I am not usually discussing religion. I like to examine both sides of a story and try to be fair. A judge does that in order to make a legal decision. Right? FYI, I love Canada and the US too.
Bull Dog
RE: Just give me that old
Well the dusty old book is so full of contridictions it aint funny. It can't even get the order of "creation" right. Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 contridict each other.
There is absolutly no proof "god" or any of the other 100's of "gods" ever existed. They have all had a lot of opportunity to present themselves but they must be too busy to drop in.
The primary goal of the Christ-psychotics to reproduce their mental illness. They corrupt children during their imprinting period and beyond. If their brains are genetically propense to religious-psychosis, then they'll have more proselytes to pass on their neurological anomaly, screwing up the world with their intellectual drag, ignorance and neurological retardation.
Funny how before travel or travel by ship was popular diferent regions of the world had diferent beliefs. Funny no one came up with same god or gods or beliefs.
God is just a form of brain washing. Your pumped that into your head all your growing up life. When you die you go to heaven or hell (some religions do not believe in hell) or purgatory if you are catholic.
To me God is just a mythical cult leader.
When I was 14 for some crazy reason my mothers friend brainwashed her into joinging that catholic church (cult). She wanted all us to join up as well. She forced everyone but me, but she tried. She thought I was "lost" and would embarass her if I went to Catacism. (I told her I would embarass her and tell the truth) I went to that church once on a sunday and grilled the priest afterwards and I never went back and not even asked to go (or told to).
Now none of my siblings go to that church and two are "recovering Catholics". All 3 are now "athiests" as they say. (None of their children go to church as well nor is religion promoted in the house holds.)
They saw the light, or my light, as when its all explained, and explained over time the real truth comes out. Not to mention all the contridictions, I felt proud of myself. I guess thats one of the reasons I hardly ever see my mother and never get along with her.
I used to believe in Fairy Tales(Santa, easter bunny, tooth fairy)until 7 or 8, but I don't believe I ever believed in "god" though(I used to read any book or encylopedia I could get my hands on growing up) but after much thought and questions to adults, no one had any answers to my questions. I was usually told to stop asking. Religious people hate the tough questions from my expierence.
Well the dusty old book is so full of contridictions it aint funny. It can't even get the order of "creation" right. Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 contridict each other.
There is absolutly no proof "god" or any of the other 100's of "gods" ever existed. They have all had a lot of opportunity to present themselves but they must be too busy to drop in.
The primary goal of the Christ-psychotics to reproduce their mental illness. They corrupt children during their imprinting period and beyond. If their brains are genetically propense to religious-psychosis, then they'll have more proselytes to pass on their neurological anomaly, screwing up the world with their intellectual drag, ignorance and neurological retardation.
Funny how before travel or travel by ship was popular diferent regions of the world had diferent beliefs. Funny no one came up with same god or gods or beliefs.
God is just a form of brain washing. Your pumped that into your head all your growing up life. When you die you go to heaven or hell (some religions do not believe in hell) or purgatory if you are catholic.
To me God is just a mythical cult leader.
When I was 14 for some crazy reason my mothers friend brainwashed her into joinging that catholic church (cult). She wanted all us to join up as well. She forced everyone but me, but she tried. She thought I was "lost" and would embarass her if I went to Catacism. (I told her I would embarass her and tell the truth) I went to that church once on a sunday and grilled the priest afterwards and I never went back and not even asked to go (or told to).
Now none of my siblings go to that church and two are "recovering Catholics". All 3 are now "athiests" as they say. (None of their children go to church as well nor is religion promoted in the house holds.)
They saw the light, or my light, as when its all explained, and explained over time the real truth comes out. Not to mention all the contridictions, I felt proud of myself. I guess thats one of the reasons I hardly ever see my mother and never get along with her.
I used to believe in Fairy Tales(Santa, easter bunny, tooth fairy)until 7 or 8, but I don't believe I ever believed in "god" though(I used to read any book or encylopedia I could get my hands on growing up) but after much thought and questions to adults, no one had any answers to my questions. I was usually told to stop asking. Religious people hate the tough questions from my expierence.