Judge decides to sentence convicted rapist to do 250 hours of community service

[damngrumpy]

Re: Rapist gets probation because girl 'wasn't the victim she claimed to be'

As the great liberated society based on justice and freedom and a lot of other things we
go half way round the world to condemn India, Pakistan and dozens of other countries
about the way women are treated and judged. Then right in our own back yard of North
America we behave the same way. The Judge is a nut case of course in the Excited
States anything is possible. Didn't they also come up with the idea that some criminals
are not really guilty of their crimes because they were too wealthy or something of that
nature.
I am not saying things are better in Canada we have the same Neanderthals we just
haven't presented the same verdict yet This is disgusting reprehensible and just plain nuts.

 

[Locutus]

*threads merged

 

[PoliticalNick]

Re: Rapist gets probation because girl 'wasn't the victim she claimed to be'

I'm a little torn on this one. I believe 'no means no' and both men and women need to have self-control yet I have an issue with somebody going to the courts presenting themselves as something they are not. She was obviously promiscuous and there is quite a strong chance that at 14 she was giving the wrong signals to another immature person. That doesn't excuse him from not stopping when she said no but then again how do we know she did say no given her past history. It leaves one with many more questions than answers and that is a good reason to not toss the book at some kid.

The sentence to work at a rape crisis center is actually good in my mind. This guy is not your stereo-typical violent rapist. I believe he was immature and presented with a partner known to be promiscuous and did not have the requisite maturity to understand or control his urges. I am not presented with a picture of a boy who will become a serial rapist but one who made a mistake and he may learn a great deal from spending time around victims of rape. As long as he is supervised and educated this may be a very good thing in the end.

Overall this is a tough situation. I hate to see someone spend their lives classed as a sex-offender for the wrong reasons yet still believe all people need to understand no means no at all times. I hope they both are able to learn and grow from this experience.

 

[gerryh]

Re: Rapist gets probation because girl 'wasn't the victim she claimed to be'

Overall this is a tough situation. I hate to see someone spend their lives classed as a sex-offender for the wrong reasons yet still believe all people need to understand no means no at all times. I hope they both are able to learn and grow from this experience.

Ya, she is learning that the judicial system still blames the victim and he is learning that society still takes a females past as being mitigating circumstances.

 

[MHz]

I don't think we have enough information. I can see how this could be reasonable.

Jail wouldn't have been any help in the rehabilitation dept. (unless the inmates beat the crap out of him daily) Having to be around many other rape victims may have a result that allows empathy to enter his addled mind. That may work for some college aged person who didn't stop when he should have rather than it being a serial rapist and this was his 10th victim.

 

[Twila]

This young man did admit to it being rape

In a police interview, Sir Young admitted that he had raped a 14-year-old girl in 2011 at Booker T. Washington High School for the Performing and Visual Arts when he was 18.

“I hate to have that on my plate. But that’s rape,” he told police.

He has admitted to what he did and has recognized his behavior as being heinous. He has the potential to be rehabilitated and that IS what we should want for him.

His taking responsibility will go a long way to helping the young woman come to terms with what has happened too.

He should receive punishment AND therapy. He will be released and will need to navigate society again. It would serve no one's best interest if he is treated no better then scum and then released.

 

[gerryh]

This young man did admit to it being rape



He has admitted to what he did and has recognized his behavior as being heinous. He has the potential to be rehabilitated and that IS what we should want for him.

His taking responsibility will go a long way to helping the young woman come to terms with what has happened too.

He should receive punishment AND therapy. He will be released and will need to navigate society again. It would serve no one's best interest if he is treated no better then scum and then released.

He is no better than scum, and I question the job his parents did.

 

[damngrumpy]

Anyone who assaults a fourteen year old girl cannot be trusted for rehabilitation
period no matter how much conniving and weaseling this guy does should qualify
him for even the slightest break

 

[PoliticalNick]

Seems Loc merged another thread with this on as I was posting so to address all the earlier posts with their 'send him to hell' sentiments.....

I stand by my analysis that this isn't the standard violent rape situation. We have an 18 year old boy presented with a 14 year old girl known as promiscuous who had discussed having sex with him and was engaged in foreplay. While I agree this is a situation of rape by definition there are many factors to consider when sentencing including the likelihood of re-offending and the recognition and remorse of the offender. Given that he admitted what he did and recognized his actions were wrong I do not have an issue with giving this young man a chance to get his life in order and be productive in society. Isn't the first goal of the justice system supposed to be rehabilitation?

I am not sure about the service at a rape center. I can see much benefit to him if he is open to learning and seeing the results of other instances of rape would most certainly open his eyes to the suffering his actions may have caused. I can also see benefit to some victims to see that it is possible for the rapist to have remorse and be rehabilitated and possibly even become an advocate for future victims. We constantly see drunk drivers and such giving lectures at schools on the error of their ways and why should this young man be any different if he embraces the opportunity to make positive change in his life and the lives of others.

To just toss him into jail for 20 years does not do anyone any good. It would make him worse, not better as a person and one being so young can still easily learn from his mistakes and change his ways and attitude. I think the 'throw away the key' attitude is quite uncalled for in this situation. It would be different if he was a repeat offender and had no remorse or understanding of his error.

 

[QuebecCanadian]

Re: Rapist gets probation because girl 'wasn't the victim she claimed to be'

She needs to be taken off rape cases!"The girl wasn't the victim she claims because she wasn't a virgin" What?? What year is this? Does no only really mean no if you've never had sex??? Grrrrrrrrr

 

[gerryh]

Seems Loc merged another thread with this on as I was posting so to address all the earlier posts with their 'send him to hell' sentiments.....

I stand by my analysis that this isn't the standard violent rape situation. We have an 18 year old boy presented with a 14 year old girl known as promiscuous who had discussed having sex with him and was engaged in foreplay. While I agree this is a situation of rape by definition there are many factors to consider when sentencing including the likelihood of re-offending and the recognition and remorse of the offender. Given that he admitted what he did and recognized his actions were wrong I do not have an issue with giving this young man a chance to get his life in order and be productive in society. Isn't the first goal of the justice system supposed to be rehabilitation?

I am not sure about the service at a rape center. I can see much benefit to him if he is open to learning and seeing the results of other instances of rape would most certainly open his eyes to the suffering his actions may have caused. I can also see benefit to some victims to see that it is possible for the rapist to have remorse and be rehabilitated and possibly even become an advocate for future victims. We constantly see drunk drivers and such giving lectures at schools on the error of their ways and why should this young man be any different if he embraces the opportunity to make positive change in his life and the lives of others.

To just toss him into jail for 20 years does not do anyone any good. It would make him worse, not better as a person and one being so young can still easily learn from his mistakes and change his ways and attitude. I think the 'throw away the key' attitude is quite uncalled for in this situation. It would be different if he was a repeat offender and had no remorse or understanding of his error.

Disgusting.

Rape is rape and there is no mitigating factors.


As I've said before and told my boys. No is no, and I don't care if she is laying spread eagle and naked on the bed. If she says no, you put it away or I Castrate ya.

 

[QuebecCanadian]

Re: Rapist gets probation because girl 'wasn't the victim she claimed to be'

I'm a little torn on this one. I believe 'no means no' and both men and women need to have self-control yet I have an issue with somebody going to the courts presenting themselves as something they are not. She was obviously promiscuous and there is quite a strong chance that at 14 she was giving the wrong signals to another immature person. That doesn't excuse him from not stopping when she said no but then again how do we know she did say no given her past history. It leaves one with many more questions than answers and that is a good reason to not toss the book at some kid.

The sentence to work at a rape crisis center is actually good in my mind. This guy is not your stereo-typical violent rapist. I believe he was immature and presented with a partner known to be promiscuous and did not have the requisite maturity to understand or control his urges. I am not presented with a picture of a boy who will become a serial rapist but one who made a mistake and he may learn a great deal from spending time around victims of rape. As long as he is supervised and educated this may be a very good thing in the end.

Overall this is a tough situation. I hate to see someone spend their lives classed as a sex-offender for the wrong reasons yet still believe all people need to understand no means no at all times. I hope they both are able to learn and grow from this experience.

"...she was obviously promiscuous...". And how do you come to that "obvious" knowledge?

 

[PoliticalNick]

Disgusting.

Rape is rape and there is no mitigating factors.


As I've said before and told my boys. No is no, and I don't care if she is laying spread eagle and naked on the bed. If she says no, you put it away or I Castrate ya.

I see your closed-mindedness is in full swing today G. Rape is rape for sure. That is what he was charged with and convicted of by his own confession. He could have easily turned this into a he said-she said case and probably got off but he didn't. He is young and made a mistake and is taking responsibility for it. If we only had more people do that in life things might be better. I am certainly not advocating a free pass but I believe this is a person who can be rehabilitated and possibly become a positive influence and productive member of society. If we take away the chance for restitution and rehabilitation for everyone's first mistake we might as well close the jails and courts and just start shooting everyone. I understand you have strong views on the topic of rape as do I. What I don't understand is someone who professes strong christian values to have such a mentality of retribution over compassion and rehabilitation. Good thing you aren't involved in the legal system and stick to HVAC where you can't really hurt anyone.

"...she was obviously promiscuous...". And how do you come to that "obvious" knowledge?

She had a baby already at 14. She had discussed having sex with him by her own admission. She was engaged in foreplay with an 18 year old. Might not be obvious to you she was open to sex and had engaged in sexual activity prior to this event but it is to me.

 

[QuebecCanadian]

I see your closed-mindedness is in full swing today G. Rape is rape for sure. That is what he was charged with and convicted of by his own confession. He could have easily turned this into a he said-she said case and probably got off but he didn't. He is young and made a mistake and is taking responsibility for it. If we only had more people do that in life things might be better. I am certainly not advocating a free pass but I believe this is a person who can be rehabilitated and possibly become a positive influence and productive member of society. If we take away the chance for restitution and rehabilitation for everyone's first mistake we might as well close the jails and courts and just start shooting everyone. I understand you have strong views on the topic of rape as do I. What I don't understand is someone who professes strong christian values to have such a mentality of retribution over compassion and rehabilitation. Good thing you aren't involved in the legal system and stick to HVAC where you can't really hurt anyone.


She had a baby already at 14. She had discussed having sex with him by her own admission. She was engaged in foreplay with an 18 year old. Might not be obvious to you she was open to sex and had engaged in sexual activity prior to this event but it is to me.

She was kissing him and then said "No" to anything else. As was acknowledged by him.


I don't think the circumstances of that pregnancy were discussed... anywhere I've see anyway. Maybe a naïve 14 year old does something regrettable? Not necessarily the stuff of promiscuity. I think I read she had discussed sex....not necessarily with him... or having it with him at that time. I'll have to go back and see if I missed that part.


But even if she said "Hey sailor, I want you!" and then said "No". It's still "NO!" Past completely irrelevant.


AND He was 18, she 14. The days of "..but Baby, I'll explode and it will really hurt" are behind him.

 

[MHz]

He is no better than scum, and I question the job his parents did.

I could say the same for your parents but I put most of your faults squarely on your shoulders.

 

[Twila]

Re: Rapist gets probation because girl 'wasn't the victim she claimed to be'

"...she was obviously promiscuous...". And how do you come to that "obvious" knowledge?

Not only is the judge assuming and passing moral judgement, but she is perpetrating a sexist moral value on this girl and all women. Why are women NOT allowed to enjoy sex?, or flirt? or interact in a sexual way?. Why morally label it. Men are rarely labelled.

 

[gerryh]

She had a baby already at 14. She had discussed having sex with him by her own admission. She was engaged in foreplay with an 18 year old. Might not be obvious to you she was open to sex and had engaged in sexual activity prior to this event but it is to me.

and none of that has anything to do with anything. You and the judge bringing up is just as disgusting as the kid raping her.

I could say the same for your parents but I put most of your faults squarely on your shoulders.

You don't know me, therefore have no idea what my faults are.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Maybe they should jail her for "being promiscuous."

Poor guy, victim of an evil seductress, and now being persecuted by The Man.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Re: Rapist gets probation because girl 'wasn't the victim she claimed to be'

Overall this is a tough situation. I hate to see someone spend their lives classed as a sex-offender for the wrong reasons yet still believe all people need to understand no means no at all times. I hope they both are able to learn and grow from this experience.

Wrong reasons? He committed rape. You don't get to rape some body because they sleep around or are a hooker or they smile at you. No means no. This guy IS a rapist. He SHOULD have it on his record for the rest of his life. He should also be enjoying the company of Bubba in a cell and learning what it is like to be raped rather than community service.

 

[MHz]

You don't know me, therefore have no idea what my faults are.

Everytime you post something I know you better. In thgis case your phobia means you were either raped or you raped somebody and didn't get caught. Really you solution is to castrate your own children rather than installing some morals that would allow them to walk away from a 'spread eagle woman' laying on their bed if she said no. Knowing you better doesn't mean I like you any better, I want to make sure that point is perfectly clear.

Wrong reasons? He committed rape. You don't get to rape some body because they sleep around or are a hooker or they smile at you. No means no. This guy IS a rapist. He SHOULD have it on his record for the rest of his life. He should also be enjoying the company of Bubba in a cell and learning what it is like to be raped rather than community service.

For somebody that 18 and a first time offender?? If he was dangerous (to other women) there would be previous incidents and none have happened since.

To have a child at 14 (legal age if the boy is within a certain age) means she had sex with somebody when she was a minor which is a crime of the same magnitude that doesn't care if she was willing or not.