It takes 23 years to save for a down payment in Metro Vancouver!

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My kids have managed to buy. My 32 yr old daughter, bought in Vancouver 2 years ago. My 25 yr old son, bought a condo in Calgary a year ago (he works for Best Buy), my youngest (21) will be buying his condo within the next year ( he also works for Best Buy). We have not helped any of them financially with the purchase.

Plus, my wife and I bought our first house ever, just 2 years ago. To state, or even imply, that it's not possible to buy these days is out and out bullshyte.
At current rates a 300,000.00 mortgage costs about 10,000.00 per year to service . Not that hard and not much more than rent .
 

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Are you suggesting salaries have kept up with inflation?

Are you suggesting we have the lowest unemployment rate in the last 60 years?
Interest is the biggest factor in any mortgage , and those are at the lowest point in my life .
 

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So, live in Abbotsford, Chilliwack, Vedder, or even Hope, and that's only one side of the river. There's a commuter train that runs from Mission into Vancouver. Working in the city is not an excuse to having to live in the city. Priorities.


It's a balancing act Gerry, somewhere in the calculations - gas + auto insurance + vehicle maintenances costs + parking costs + bus/train fares + dead time etc. etc. equates to X amount of mortgage payments. 2-3 hours of travel time each day might be worth a lot of money or perhaps a cost to your health. It's different for everyone.
 

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I never really considered myself to be a vulture, Lud!
Get a set of plans on some cabinets for a new home. Then get three estimates on them. Whichever proposal you choose I'll guaranfukkintee the final cost of those cabinets will be at least doubled after all the mark ups. that applies to every other trade as well. . .We don't want to make a living anymore we want to be rich.
 

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It's a balancing act Gerry, somewhere in the calculations - gas + auto insurance + vehicle maintenances costs + parking costs + bus/train fares + dead time etc. etc. equates to X amount of mortgage payments. 2-3 hours of travel time each day might be worth a lot of money or perhaps a cost to your health. It's different for everyone.


Like I said, priorities.
 

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Are you suggesting salaries have kept up with inflation?

Are you suggesting we have the lowest unemployment rate in the last 60 years?


It's a hard call to make and depends a lot on who you are. Our living costs 60 years ago were pretty minimal- there was shelter, groceries, basic transportation, some clothing, electrical costs for a few light bulbs and a radio, some of us had a phone, some didn't & a few luxuries like tooth paste (we often used salt to clean teeth) I was in a family of 6 and my Dad earned $2000 - $3000 a year, we never went hungry but we didn't attend very many operas either! So the cost of living between then and now are two entirely different things. The cost of living keeps increasing as new gadgets are invented and pay raises just feed inflation. If you get a $100 raise, the rent goes up $50, the groceries go up $40 and everyone & his dog are after the other $10. And then there's the tax man!

Get a set of plans on some cabinets for a new home. Then get three estimates on them. Whichever proposal you choose I'll guaranfukkintee the final cost of those cabinets will be at least doubled after all the mark ups. that applies to every other trade as well. . .We don't want to make a living anymore we want to be rich.


You probably realize this Ludlow, but the cost of cabinets for a house today are more expensive than the cost of a house when I was a kid. In 1950 - $5000 would buy you a palace and $3000 would buy you a limosine.
 

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The problem with the real estate market is that housing isn't used as homes for people, but as investments for the wealthy. Occupancy is not required, but people still need places to live. That pushes people with moderate incomes looking for a place to live into cooler markets, putting pressure and competition on those markets driving up prices and attracting investors.

What is the underlying benefit of owning real estate that entices investors? They'll want to cash in eventually. Right now they can rely on other investors but at some point it's the desirability of living space that underpins it all. Who's going to be willing to buy when a huge return isn't guaranteed?

The city of Vancouver is hollowing out. The provincial government is cutting funding to schools in Vancouver because there aren't enough children. Meanwhile they can't build schools fast enough in Surrey. To put an optimistic spin on it, Vancouver is simply losing it's economic and demographic centrality. Suburbs that were once distance and quiet bedroom communities and growing fast and those other municipalities are becoming their own city centres. While Vancouver faces a demographic collapse, Surrey, Coquitlam, Langley and soon once small towns out in the valley cash in.
 

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To put an optimistic spin on it, Vancouver is simply losing it's economic and demographic centrality. Suburbs that were once distance and quiet bedroom communities and growing fast and those other municipalities are becoming their own city centres. While Vancouver faces a demographic collapse, Surrey, Coquitlam, Langley and soon once small towns out in the valley cash in.


To put an optimistic spin on it, if you aren't living east/north of Hope, move there! :) :)