Our media dosn't inform us about the Israeli violations because they're solidly behind the Zionist plan.It's impossible to be criticle of Israel without massive denunciation by the Zionist supporters. Being labeled anti-semetic is expensive.:wave:
Israel's regular ceasefire violations of Lebanese airspace
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Purim Special
From Esther to AIPAC
by Gilad Atzmon
www.dissidentvoice.org
March 5, 2007
http://www.referralblast.com/rblast.asp?sid=7227
From Esther to AIPAC
by Gilad Atzmon
www.dissidentvoice.org
March 5, 2007
http://www.referralblast.com/rblast.asp?sid=7227
www.dissidentvoice.org/mar07/atzmon05.htm “In certain contexts, memory can be subversive; in others, memory can shield the status quo. When individuals and communities become vested with memory as a form of identity and specialness, then other suffering threatens to displace the centrality of our experience. Instead of a bridge of solidarity to others who are suffering in the present, suffering in the past can become a badge of honour, protecting us from the challenges that are before us. Then our witness, originally powerful, opening questions about God and power, becomes diluted, can be seen as fake, contrived, even wilfully so. An industry grows up around you, honours you, and at the same time uses your witness for other reasons. In the end a confusion results, externally and internally, until the witness himself can no longer differentiate between the world of interpretation he helped articulate and the world that now speaks in his name. Is this what happened to Wiesel, or is Finkelstein's more acerbic analysis accurate?” [1]
Jewishness is a rather broad term. It refers to a culture with many faces, varied distinctive groups, different beliefs, opposing political camps, different classes and diversified ethnicity. Nevertheless, the connection between those very many people who happen to identify themselves as Jews is rather intriguing. In the paragraphs that follow, I will try to further the search into the notion of Jewishness. I will make an attempt to trace the intellectual, spiritual and mythological collective bond that makes Jewishness into a powerful identity.
Clearly, Jewishness is neither a racial nor an ethnic category. Though Jewish identity is racially and ethnically orientated, the Jewish people do not form a homogenous group. There is no racial or ethnic continuum. Jewishness may be seen by some as a continuation of Judaism. I would maintain that this is not necessarily the case either. Though Jewishness borrows some fundamental Judaic elements, Jewishness is not Judaism and it is even categorically different from Judaism. Furthermore, as we know, more than a few of those who proudly define themselves as Jews have very little knowledge of Judaism, many of them are atheists, non-religious and even overtly oppose Judaism or any other religion. Many of those Jews who happen to oppose Judaism happen to maintain their Jewish identity and to be extremely proud about it. [2] This opposition to Judaism obviously includes Zionism (at least the early version) but it also is the basis of much of Jewish socialist anti-Zionism.
Though Jewishness is different from Judaism one may still wonder just what constitutes Jewishness: whether it is a new form of religion an ideology or if it is just a ‘state of mind.’
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If you guys just want to flame each other please start another thread. But if you want a serious debate, then please be respectful of each other and stick to the topic.
The topic is Israel's regular violations of the Israel/Lebanon ceasefire agreement. That agreement is also a UN security Council Resolution.
I would be interested in the opinions of people who support Israel, regarding Israel's daily ceasefire violations and why these violations aren't newsworthy?
Sean D, commented that a missile hitting an Israeli light post would generate more commentary than this subject. I agree. Would anyone care to speculate why our news doesn't inform us about Israel's ongoing violations of Lebanese airspace?
As detailed above, Israel's violations of Lebanese airspace include mock bombing runs, low altitude supersonic flight at all hours of the day and night, as well as unmanned surveillance drones.
Are the above violations of the Israel/Lebanon ceasefire agreement? Yes or no.
Are Israeli military flights into Lebanese airspace justified? Why or why not?
Would Lebanon be in violation of the ceasefire agreement if they shot down an Israeli aircraft while it was violating Lebanese airspace or as it was re-entering Israeli airspace? How about after it returned to Israeli airspace?
Would Lebanon be in violation of the agreement if they flew military aircraft into Israel's airspace? Would Israel be justified in shooting down such aircraft? Why or why not?
Have Lebanon's and UNIFIL's complaints to the UN regarding Israel's violation of Lebanese airspace been effective in stopping Israel from continuing to violate Lebanese airspace?
What should Lebanon do about Israel's military aircraft in their airspace?
What should the UN or the UNSC do about Israeli warplanes in Lebanese airspace?
Should the Lebanese military have the equipment required to prevent Israeli military flights in their airspace?
Let's have a civil debate please.
The topic is Israel's regular violations of the Israel/Lebanon ceasefire agreement. That agreement is also a UN security Council Resolution.
I would be interested in the opinions of people who support Israel, regarding Israel's daily ceasefire violations and why these violations aren't newsworthy?
Sean D, commented that a missile hitting an Israeli light post would generate more commentary than this subject. I agree. Would anyone care to speculate why our news doesn't inform us about Israel's ongoing violations of Lebanese airspace?
As detailed above, Israel's violations of Lebanese airspace include mock bombing runs, low altitude supersonic flight at all hours of the day and night, as well as unmanned surveillance drones.
Are the above violations of the Israel/Lebanon ceasefire agreement? Yes or no.
Are Israeli military flights into Lebanese airspace justified? Why or why not?
Would Lebanon be in violation of the ceasefire agreement if they shot down an Israeli aircraft while it was violating Lebanese airspace or as it was re-entering Israeli airspace? How about after it returned to Israeli airspace?
Would Lebanon be in violation of the agreement if they flew military aircraft into Israel's airspace? Would Israel be justified in shooting down such aircraft? Why or why not?
Have Lebanon's and UNIFIL's complaints to the UN regarding Israel's violation of Lebanese airspace been effective in stopping Israel from continuing to violate Lebanese airspace?
What should Lebanon do about Israel's military aircraft in their airspace?
What should the UN or the UNSC do about Israeli warplanes in Lebanese airspace?
Should the Lebanese military have the equipment required to prevent Israeli military flights in their airspace?
Let's have a civil debate please.
No you're not. You're looking for people to agree with you. According to you, anyone that sides with Israel, is uninformed.
If the Hezbollah wasn't funneling arms into the area, then launching them into Israel, the IDf would have no need to waste the money on expensive jet fuel.
Either you get that, or you don't.
You must know something I don't. Can you cite examples of Hezbollah launching rockets at Israel since the ceasefire?
Hezbollah isn't a country nor a military, so it can't be part of a ceasefire. Read the rules of war, non-uniformed combatants aren't protected. They are actually worse off than if there was no rules of war at all.
@Darkbeaver, no it is not a smile an a wave. Its somone bonking their head to imply its empty. Its a way of stating you think the other person must have an empty skull.
Its not a violation of Lebanese airspace if Lebanon doesn't live up to the treaty.
Lebanon is a soveriegn country, meaning if either has to admit it no longer is in charge of its country (and cede soveriegnty) or take responsibility for the actions of those within its borders.
Even one peron from lebanon throwing a stone, stepping over the border, or firing a bullet is all the ground Israel needs to bomb the country to the stone age.
You may not like the way it works out, but don't piss of the rabid dog if you don't wanna get bit. The world isn't fair, get used to it, everyone past toddlers tend to.
@Darkbeaver, no it is not a smile an a wave. Its somone bonking their head to imply its empty. Its a way of stating you think the other person must have an empty skull.
Its not a violation of Lebanese airspace if Lebanon doesn't live up to the treaty.
Lebanon is a soveriegn country, meaning if either has to admit it no longer is in charge of its country (and cede soveriegnty) or take responsibility for the actions of those within its borders.
Even one peron from lebanon throwing a stone, stepping over the border, or firing a bullet is all the ground Israel needs to bomb the country to the stone age.
You may not like the way it works out, but don't piss of the rabid dog if you don't wanna get bit. The world isn't fair, get used to it, everyone past toddlers tend to.
In otherwords the ceasefire terms are not being respected by either side. From what I've read, I'm inclined to agree.
While Hezbollah statements about rearming in violation of the ceasefire came 6 months after the agreement, whereas Israel never respected the terms of the ceasefire from the very beginning.
Therefore it can be argued that Hezbollah violations were in response to Israeli violations rather than the other way around.
Why should Hezbollah disarm while Israeli warplanes and surveillance drones continuously violated Lebanese airspace?
Now that Hezbollah has rearmed, they are ready to take on Israel again. I predict within three months something will trigger the fighting and it will be a hot war again. But this time, Israel will have to fight past Lebanese army and UNIFIL positions to get to Hezbollah. I wonder how countries with soldiers in UNIFIL will feel about that?
Looks to me like Hezbollah outfoxed Israel yet again.
While Hezbollah statements about rearming in violation of the ceasefire came 6 months after the agreement, whereas Israel never respected the terms of the ceasefire from the very beginning.
Therefore it can be argued that Hezbollah violations were in response to Israeli violations rather than the other way around.
Why should Hezbollah disarm while Israeli warplanes and surveillance drones continuously violated Lebanese airspace?
Now that Hezbollah has rearmed, they are ready to take on Israel again. I predict within three months something will trigger the fighting and it will be a hot war again. But this time, Israel will have to fight past Lebanese army and UNIFIL positions to get to Hezbollah. I wonder how countries with soldiers in UNIFIL will feel about that?
Looks to me like Hezbollah outfoxed Israel yet again.
No you don't.
And that's my proof.
What were you saying about no proof the Hezbollah uses human shields?
rotflmffao! The fact that you believe that, only proves my point that you really don't want to discuss anything. You just want to convert people or get your kudos, from the usual suspects.