Israeli Untouched War Crime Qana 1996

[gopher]

appitamy of cowrdly


next time use spell check



If you bothered to look accurately rather than being blinded by your hatred and bigotry you would see that the words "lock step thinking" are not mine. You continue to accuse me of bigotry but you prove nothing. Then you retract your accusations (and have done so twice) only to reiterate your baseless claims thereafter. As for lacking respect, it is you who repeatedly insults me by calling me "goober". I have never made any fun of your name even once because, unlike you, I respect the forum's rules against name calling.

Perhaps what I should do is to put your name on ignore since you obviously belong to an "elk" of hatred and cannot write coherently or make any sense at all.

 

[CDNBear]

appitamy of cowrdly


next time use spell check



If you bothered to look accurately rather than being blinded by your hatred and bigotry you would see that the words "lock step thinking" are not mine. You continue to accuse me of bigotry but you prove nothing. Then you retract your accusations (and have done so twice) only to reiterate your baseless claims thereafter. As for lacking respect, it is you who repeatedly insults me by calling me "goober". I have never made any fun of your name even once because, unlike you, I respect the forum's rules against name calling.

Perhaps what I should do is to put your name on ignore since you obviously belong to an "elk" of hatred and cannot write coherently or make any sense at all.

Once again, the last wails of the lost, pointing out spelling errors, you and your "ELK" are so cowardly and predictable.

You are such a lost cause, you defended QE's post so I showed you what I was referring to, but as I have pointed out so many times, you read everything to slant your way. Grow up. When you reach 13, come back and try to keep up.

 

[gopher]

QE speaks for himself.

... keep trying ...

 

[CDNBear]

QE speaks for himself.

... keep trying ...

Keep watering down your intellect, you might grow up some day.

Oh ya, now that you've decided that you are part Native. Why aren't you down south slaughtering the bad people?

Juevenile Hypocrit!

 

[QuestionEverything]

The IDF continues its war crimes. UN says IDF has killed 116 Palestinian children so far this year. Why are these casualties acceptable to the IDF shills in here?

http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3326618,00.html

 

[gopher]

The IDF continues its war crimes. UN says IDF has killed 116 Palestinian children so far this year. Why are these casualties acceptable to the IDF shills in here?]


The double standards on this forum are just unbelieveable. Somehow to them is it OK to kill Palestinians, Lebanese, and Native Americans. No matter how hard I try, I cannot get them to understand that all human life is entitled to be regarded as having equal worth and respect. Strange, "elk" indeed.


... keep trying ...

http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3326618,00.html

 

[CDNBear]

The IDF continues its war crimes. UN says IDF has killed 116 Palestinian children so far this year. Why are these casualties acceptable to the IDF shills in here?]


The double standards on this forum are just unbelieveable. Somehow to them is it OK to kill Palestinians, Lebanese, and Native Americans. No matter how hard I try, I cannot get them to understand that all human life is entitled to be regarded as having equal worth and respect. Strange, "elk" indeed.


... keep trying ...

Both yours and QE's comments prove yet again, that neither of you can't read. I have stated several times, that IDF Soldiers or commanders should be charged of war crimes if there is evidence of it. period.

The fact that both of you can not read, is not the fault of Colpy or myself, it is the failing of your parents, your school system and yourselves for not trying to better yourself in any way.

Like I said, arguing with either of you is like arguing quantum mechanics with a couple 2 year olds.

 

[CDNBear]

​

BEFORE AMIN AL-HUSSEINI, JEWS AND MUSLIMS LIVED SIDE-BY-SIDE WITH MEMBERS OF OTHER RELIGIONS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST AND NORTH AFRICA FOR CENTURIES.

Read on.​

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/From The Armenian Genocide to the Hijacking of the Muslim World​

Building Blocks​

1914-1933​

1893​

Amin Al-Husseini. Born in Jerusalem under Ottoman rule

1914-1917​

Husseini’s First Taste of Jihad​

Allegiance to Ottoman Empire

Amin Al Husseini: Ottoman Empire Officer ​

Amin Al-Husseini swears allegiance to the Ottoman Empire during the Armenian genocidehttp://forums.canadiancontent.net/ http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/amin_en.html#_edn1 .http://forums.canadiancontent.net/ [ii] He is an officer stationed in Smyrna and participates first-hand in the Armenian genocide. One and a half million Christians are slaughtered under the sword of Islamic Jihad by the Ottoman Army. Allegiance to Ottoman Empire and Islamic world take-over will be echoed by Osama Bin Laden in his post-September 11th declarationhttp://forums.canadiancontent.net/ [iii]
.

From The Armenian Genocide (1914-1924) to the Arab Genocide (1917-today)​

1917​

Pan-Islamic Vision Comes to Palestine​

Amin Al-Husseini returns to Palestine. He brings with him lessons of genocide and the vision of leading a Pan-Islamic empire, where Jews and Christians are not acceptable.
Amin Al-Husseini : Root of Today’s Palestinian Tragedy

1920​

The Violence Begins​

1920/1921. Riots. Amin Al-Husseini becomes lead figure in organizing riots against locals. Amin Al-Husseini begins life-long campaign of inciting hate between Jews and Muslims under British Mandate of Palestine. He begins rule of terror over local Muslim leaders, who denounce him as an ignorant thug. [iv] http://forums.canadiancontent.net/

1921​

Grand Mufti Against
The Will of The People​

The British, against the local Muslim vote, appoint Amin Al-Husseini as Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. Amin Al-Husseini came in a poor fourth place in the votehttp://forums.canadiancontent.net/ [v] . The Muslim community rejected his candidacy because he had not received any credible Islamic education. He was neither a Sheikh (religiously accredited leader) nor an Alim (Islamic scholar). He becomes the pre-eminent Arab power in Palestine. His brutality becomes notorious and is rejected by local Muslim leadership.

1922​

Head of Supreme Muslim Council​

Amin Al-Husseini is appointed Head of Supreme Muslim Council (1922-1937)http://forums.canadiancontent.net/ [vi] . He is hugely disappointed by the end of the Ottoman Empire under Ataturk. Husseini becomes fanaticized by the idea that he must restore the lost Islamic Empire. He vows to fight all Muslim seculars.

1922​

Jerusalem Capital​

Amin Al-Husseini implements restoration of Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalemhttp://forums.canadiancontent.net/ [vii] . He has the Dome gold-plated for the first time. Thereafter, Jerusalem takes on more importance as Holy Muslim site in the eyes of the Arab World.

1928​

Husseini Joins Muslim Brotherhood​

Muslim Brotherhood established in Egypt by Hassan El Bannahttp://forums.canadiancontent.net/ [viii] in 1928. Amin Al-Husseini becomes a central member and ideological inspirationhttp://forums.canadiancontent.net/ [ix] for the Muslim Brotherhood. Mother organization for today’s Egyptian Islamic Jihad and Hamashttp://forums.canadiancontent.net/ [x] . The Muslim Brotherhood preaches Wahhabi Islamhttp://forums.canadiancontent.net/ [xi] , which justifies violent means to rid the ‘Muslim world’ of its non-Islamic element. It envisions a Pan-Islamic Empire, where strict Islamic law rules over all.

1929​

Hebron Massacre​

Amin Al-Husseini organizes more riots in Palestine. He spreads false rumors to further turn the local Muslims against the Jews. Random murdering of Hebron Jews begins. Hebron Jewish community was over 2,000 years old.

1931​

Founder of
World Islamic Congress​

Amin Al-Husseini starts to build his own political base. He preaches Islamic unity and creates the World Islamic Congress in 1931http://forums.canadiancontent.net/ [xii] .

So who's a nazi?

 

[CDNBear]

"Spokesman McCormack said the way to achieve Israeli-Palestinian peace is through a political horizon but said that is not possible now because the Hamas-led Palestinian government does not accept international terms for dialogue with Israel."

Yep they want peace alrighty.

 

[gopher]

Bush said he was inspired by the Christian God to invade Iraq. 655,000 Iraqis killed because of Christianity. Doesn't sound like peace loving to me.

 

[CDNBear]

Bush said he was inspired by the Christian God to invade Iraq. 655,000 Iraqis killed because of Christianity. Doesn't sound like peace loving to me.

Seeing as you fail to answer anything, and you change the direction of the thread whenever you can not rebuttle the post with facts, try doing this if you really want peace in the ME...

http://www.unwatch.org/c.bdKKISNqEmG/b.1288071/siteapps/advocacy/ActionItem.aspx?aid=5730

 

[gopher]

Oh yeah, Christian Bush "loves" peace so much that he lost the election last week.

 

[CDNBear]

Once agian you still afil to see the big picture.

gopher you will not convince those of us that have ALL the facts and read EVERYTHING, objectively.

Your support of the "Party of no Peace" is as ridiculous as the proof you post trying to prove your failed point.

My only concern and the reason I continue to face off against the likes of you and QE, is that it is scary that your warped vision and persistant defence of aggression to one side of the arguement, may infect others.

That is the only reason I continue to address the garbage you post. If you posted anything objective it would be a miracle. If you read anything at all that was posted, including eveything I have posted else where with my contempt of Bush and the invasion of Iraq or the imperialist globalization of American corperate and theological greed, would be a miracle of Cannonizational preportions.

Your bigotry, blinds you to anything that does not support your agenda, including my positions on Iraq, American Globalization, war crimes by Israel and religion. All of which I have been critical of, yet you ignore that fact and attack my posts, continuously insinuating that Bush is my hero and that I support the Iraq war. These issues I have been critical of, in more then one thread and you have posted in those threads affirming your simular beliefs, yet when you go on the attack else where, you claim/assert the opposite of me.

This only proves my point and assertion that your blinded by bigotry. A point that can easily be proven by your continues referrences.

 

[gopher]

```blinded by bigotry```

Yeah, like your "love" for Muslims has been manifestly evident on this forum.

As for Bush and his criminal war, it's time for him to endure a Nuremburg Trial:


http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Bush_Gang/Bush_War_Criminal?.html

Could Bush Be Prosecuted for War Crimes?

A Nuremberg chief prosecutor says there is a case for trying Bush for the 'supreme crime against humanity, an illegal war of aggression against a sovereign nation.'

by Jan Frel

AlterNet, July 10, 2006

The extent to which American exceptionalism is embedded in the national psyche is awesome to behold.

While the United States is a country like any other, its citizens no more special than any others on the planet, Americans still react with surprise at the suggestion that their country could be held responsible for something as heinous as a war crime.

From the massacre of more than 100,000 people in the Philippines to the first nuclear attack ever at Hiroshima to the unprovoked invasion of Baghdad, U.S.-sponsored violence doesn't feel as wrong and worthy of prosecution in internationally sanctioned criminal courts as the gory, bload-soaked atrocities of Congo, Darfur, Rwanda, and most certainly not the Nazis -- most certainly not. Howard Zinn recently described this as our "inability to think outside the boundaries of nationalism. We are penned in by the arrogant idea that this country is the center of the universe, exceptionally virtuous, admirable, superior."

Most Americans firmly believe there is nothing the United States or its political leadership could possibly do that could equate to the crimes of Hitler's Third Reich. The Nazis are our "gold standard of evil," as author John Dolan once put it.

But the truth is that we can, and we have -- most recently and significantly in Iraq. Perhaps no person on the planet is better equipped to identify and describe our crimes in Iraq than Benjamin Ferenccz, a former chief prosecutor of the Nuremberg Trials who successfully convicted 22 Nazi officers for their work in orchestrating death squads that killed more than one million people in the famous Einsatzgruppen Case. Ferencz, now 87, has gone on to become a founding father of the basis behind international law regarding war crimes, and his essays and legal work drawing from the Nuremberg trials and later the commission that established the International Criminal Court remain a lasting influence in that realm.

Ferencz's biggest contribution to the war crimes field is his assertion that an unprovoked or "aggressive" war is the highest crime against mankind. It was the decision to invade Iraq in 2003 that made possible the horrors of Abu Ghraib, the destruction of Fallouja and Ramadi, the tens of thousands of Iraqi deaths, civilian massacres like Haditha, and on and on. Ferencz believes that a "prima facie case can be made that the United States is guilty of the supreme crime against humanity, that being an illegal war of aggression against a sovereign nation."

Interviewed from his home in New York, Ferencz laid out a simple summary of the case:

"The United Nations charter has a provision which was agreed to by the United States formulated by the United States in fact, after World War II. Its says that from now on, no nation can use armed force without the permission of the U.N. Security Council. They can use force in connection with self-defense, but a country can't use force in anticipation of self-defense. Regarding Iraq, the last Security Council resolution essentially said, 'Look, send the weapons inspectors out to Iraq, have them come back and tell us what they've found -- then we'll figure out what we're going to do. The U.S. was impatient, and decided to invade Iraq -- which was all pre-arranged of course. So, the United States went to war, in violation of the charter."

It's that simple. Ferencz called the invasion a "clear breach of law," and dismissed the Bush administration's legal defense that previous U.N. Security Council resolutions dating back to the first Gulf War justified an invasion in 2003. Ferencz notes that the first Bush president believed that the United States didn't have a U.N. mandate to go into Iraq and take out Saddam Hussein; that authorization was simply to eject Hussein from Kuwait. Ferencz asked, "So how do we get authorization more than a decade later to finish the job? The arguments made to defend this are not persuasive."

Writing for the United Kingdom's Guardian, shortly before the 2003 invasion, international law expert Mark Littman echoed Ferencz: "The threatened war against Iraq will be a breach of the United Nations Charter and hence of international law unless it is authorized by a new and unambiguous resolution of the Security Council. The Charter is clear. No such war is permitted unless it is in self-defense or authorized by the Security Council."

Challenges to the legality of this war can also be found at the ground level. First Lt. Ehren Watada, the first U.S. commissioned officer to refuse to serve in Iraq, cites the rules of the U.N. Charter as a principle reason for his dissent.

Ferencz isn't using the invasion of Iraq as a convenient prop to exercise his longstanding American hatred: he has a decades-old paper trail of calls for every suspect of war crimes to be brought to international justice. When the United States captured Saddam Hussein in December 2003, Ferencz wrote that Hussein's offenses included "the supreme international crime of aggression, to a wide variety of crimes against humanity, and a long list of atrocities condemned by both international and national laws."

Ferencz isn't the first to make the suggestion that the United States has committed state-sponsored war crimes against another nation -- not only have leading war critics made this argument, but so had legal experts in the British government before the 2003 invasion. In a short essay in 2005, Ferencz lays out the inner deliberations of British and American officials as the preparations for the war were made:

U.K. military leaders had been calling for clear assurances that the war was legal under international law. They were very mindful that the treaty creating a new International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague had entered into force on July 1, 2002, with full support of the British government. Gen. Sir Mike Jackson, chief of the defense staff, was quoted as saying "I spent a good deal of time recently in the Balkans making sure Milosevic was put behind bars. I have no intention of ending up in the next cell to him in The Hague."

Ferencz quotes the British deputy legal adviser to the Foreign Ministry who, in the lead-up to the invasion, quit abruptly and wrote in her resignation letter: "I regret that I cannot agree that it is lawful to use force against Iraq without a second Security Council resolution [A]n unlawful use of force on such a scale amounts to the crime of aggression; nor can I agree with such action in circumstances that are so detrimental to the international order and the rule of law."

While the United Kingdom is a signatory of the ICC, and therefore under jurisdiction of that court, the United States is not, thanks to a Republican majority in Congress that has "attacks on America's sovereignty" and "manipulation by the United Nations" in its pantheon of knee-jerk neuroses. Ferencz concedes that even though Britain and its leadership could be prosecuted, the international legal climate isn't at a place where justice is blind enough to try it -- or as Ferencz put it, humanity isn't yet "civilized enough to prevent this type of illegal behavior." And Ferencz said that while he believes the United States is guilty of war crimes, "the international community is not sufficiently organized to prosecute such a case. There is no court at the moment that is competent to try that crime."

As Ferencz said, the world is still a long way away from establishing norms that put all nations under the rule of law, but the battle to do so is a worthy one: "There's no such thing as a war without atrocities, but war-making is the biggest atrocity of all."

The suggestion that the Bush administration's conduct in the "war on terror" amounts to a string of war crimes and human rights abuses is gaining credence in even the most ossified establishment circles of Washington. Justice Anthony Kennedy's opinion in the recent Hamdan v. Rumsfeld ruling by the Supreme Court suggests that Bush's attempt to ignore the Geneva Conventions in his approved treatment of terror suspects may leave him open to prosecution for war crimes. As Sidney Blumenthal points out, the court rejected Bush's attempt to ignore Common Article 3, which bans "cruel treatment and torture [and] outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment."

And since Congress enacted the Geneva Conventions, making them the law of the United States, any violations that Bush or any other American commits "are considered 'war crimes' punishable as federal offenses," as Justice Kennedy wrote.

George W. Bush in the dock facing a charge of war crimes? That's well beyond the scope of possibility or is it?



Jan Frel is an AlterNet staff writer.

 

[CDNBear]

Actually one of the first threads I started was to counter the hype about Islam calling to kill all none believers. I have posted many counter points to people who generalise the religion. I have Muslim friends and a Muslim employee. Great welder, he's from Sri lanka. Small guy, got his start welding ribs in between the holds of ships at 10 years of age.

But anyways, you can not play that card with me, I have defended Islam and Christianity. I have no religious or racial prejudice. I distrust either of their fundamentalist factions equally.

Your beleiving that I do, is your prejudice against me. You have consistantly accused me of supporting Bush and the war in Iraq because of it.

 

[CDNBear]

The wife and I were just discussing how the Hezollah fires rockets into Israel and then runs from the position. Then generaly within 5 minutes, the IDF retaliates against that position, indiscriminantly, usually ending with the sad loss of life amongst the civilian population.

She posed this question to me. "If they see these people firing rockets into Israel, why do they hang around after, if they know Israel is going to retaliate?"

I explained to her that there are reports of the Hezbollah keeping people in areas they have fired from, just to have more dead on the evening news.

She then asked me, "Really?"

So I showed her the proof from a credited site, complete with links to the originating source, that made the original claim. I then told her, "But don't let that fool ya, if you believe the likes of some of the people at this site, you'ld believe that these people voluntarily hung around knowing that the IDF would retaliate in around 5 minutes, with indiscriminant fire."

"No way, no one is going to hang around some place they know the IDF is going to bomb, no one sane anyways. These people don't actually belive that do they?" She then asked.

"Yes dear they do." I answered.

She then told me to tell those that believe that, sane people with the ability to run and the knowledge that hell is about to break loose, actually sit and wait to be killed. "Here's your sign!"

rotflmffao.

 

[Curiosity]

Bear

That's a BINGO!!! Kinda like I was wondering....

 

[Kreskin]

Being the cynic I am I wonder how many of these stories are fictional. They're probably the exception, not the norm. The war machine has been creating monsters out of everybody. Like 'every mother cries for joy at the birth of a child as it is one more suicide bomber'. Most of it is nonsense, but good for propoganda. What would we do without evil-doers?

 

[QuestionEverything]

Don't be obtuse.

as you well know, Israel withdrew from Lebanon in 2000, and from Gaza last fall. Israel only re-entered those places in reply to, or to prevent attacks from people sworn to Israel's destruction.

It is called self-defense.

If any other country did what Israel is doing, it would be called by it's other name.....genocide.

 

[QuestionEverything]

WHAT IS THE MOTIVATION FOR ISRAEL TO STIR UP HEZBOLLAH AND HAMAS?



Did you read my earlier posts re Ostrovsky's By Way of Deception ? Also, an article from Uri Avnery was posted regarding Israel's determination to have a Quisling government imposed both in Lebanon and in Palestine. Israel knows that it can always rely on the USA to defend it and remains determined to get its way no matter what.

Gopher, I see, with 100% certainty, that Colpy and CDNBear (aka the easily duped), do not want any facts to intrude into their reality. A good conscience just might confuse them no end.