Israeli Untouched War Crime Qana 1996

[QuestionEverything]

Okay

The Top Ten differences between the French resistance (FR) and Hezbollah/Hamas (HH):

10. The leaders of the French Resistance never claimed to want to commit genocide, as has the leader of Hezbollah. (Oh, I know, my sources haven't been approved by a committee consisting of Bin Laden, Noam Chomsky, and Nasrallah himself, so they don't count in your little world, but we are trying to deal with REALITY here)

9. The leaders of the French resistance never claimed to want the complete anihilation of any nation, as do both Hezbollah and Hamas.

8. The French resistance never attacked the citizens of neutral nations in their own country, simply because of their race...........as have Hezbollah.

7. The French resistance was fighting against an army that occupied their nation..........Israel withdrew from Lebanon completely in 2000.

6. The French resistance did not launch attacks on German civilians at home. Hamas and Hezbollah regularly target Israeli civilians.

5. The French resistance was supported by the free nations of the world against fascist tyranny. Hamas'/Hezbollah is supported by Islamofascist tyranny against the free nations of the world........

4. The French resistance never used promises of rewards in the next life to coax the children of their own people to destroy themselves in suicide attacks.

3. The French resistance wanted to create a free socialist state in France......HH wants to create a strict, Islamofascist theocracy.

2. The French resistance did not expend the lives of their fellow fFrenchmen by using them as human shields. (not that it would have done much good against Nazis....)

1. The French resistance were our friends. HH are our enemies.

So much of your fiction....so little of my time.

Hezbollah and Hamas are your enemies.....not everyone's. Not everyone sides with the army that comes in and murders 5 unarmed women, and 7 unarmed children, one of whom was 1 year old. But hey, I guess that was a budding terrorist, so it was a good kill, right?

 

[QuestionEverything]

Once again I would like to respectfully ask for proof OBL, planned the attacks from a cave?

As the plans were being hatched, he lived the life of a God in Afghanistan, he was a freedom fighting hereo, from the Russian Afghan war.

Your grasp of history, leaves a little to be desired, even the UN acknowledges the withdrawl from the disputed areas. If you like I can give you links to the facts, I highly doubt you'll ask though. Facts do not seem to agree with you, or you with them.

Your facts, admitted by you to be sourced from pro-Israeli propagandist shills, hardly constitutes anything remotely factual. Next thing you'll tel me is the bible is fact. Sheesh....you been makin' too many tin foil hats for others....it appears that one may have stuck on your head unbeknownst to you, for suite some time now.

All fo you Coincidence Theorists are all the same.....sigh.....not one independent thought among you.

 

[Colpy]

So much of your fiction....so little of my time.

Hezbollah and Hamas are your enemies.....not everyone's. Not everyone sides with the army that comes in and murders 5 unarmed women, and 7 unarmed children, one of whom was 1 year old. But hey, I guess that was a budding terrorist, so it was a good kill, right?

Now, I'm not sure where you live, buut if you live in Canada and are Canadian, you will find that both Hezbollah and Hamas are on our list of terrorist organizations......that makes them the enemy of Canada.......and of Canadians worthy of the name.

 

[CDNBear]

Your facts, admitted by you to be sourced from pro-Israeli propagandist shills, hardly constitutes anything remotely factual. Next thing you'll tel me is the bible is fact. Sheesh....you been makin' too many tin foil hats for others....it appears that one may have stuck on your head unbeknownst to you, for suite some time now.

All fo you Coincidence Theorists are all the same.....sigh.....not one independent thought among you.

Allllrighty then.

I see that you have nothing constructive/intelligent/valuable left to offer, so I'll chalk this one up in the win column.

I can post repremands towards the UN and HRW, from many sources, for their bias. Not all those sources are "pro-Israeli propogandist shills" as you would say. But I find it interesting that the PR sites you frequent seem more unbiased to you, it says a great deal about your character and your apperant bigotry.

I am not a Christian, but I would not have expected you to do any research of any relavence in regards to myself, before leveling accusations like that. Once again, saying volumes about your self. I am Native Canadian and fairly Traditional at that.

I can also say without a doubt, that if you had any research skills at all, you could have found that I am no a "Consperacy Theorist" of any kind, easier then you could have found out that I'm not Christian. In fact, I like facts, I have visited all your links. Most are suspect at best. The others offer no follow through, no proof of their sources, as it were.

It's great that you feel this passionate about your cause, but I highly doubt you have thought your position through fully nor clearly. We're dealing with an organization that lives in septerfuge and uses the media to over sensatioalize events and atrocities. I'm not negating the acts of the IDF, but the events that transpire in the retrobution or defence from guerilla tactics, like firing missiles and rockets from highly populised areas and along side UN compounds. Is hardly fully the responsiblity of the IDF or all of Israel's population. Some onous most fall on those that perpitrate these acts as well.

If this is all that drives you, you should really consider joining a peace corp. or an aid agency and lending your body to your vioce. Instead of fighting an unwinnable internet war with people, who by all accounts seem a tad more ratioal and apt to research then you.

Just some thoughts for you to chew, have a hap hap happy day.

 

[thomaska]

So much of your fiction....so little of my time.

Hezbollah and Hamas are your enemies.....not everyone's. Not everyone sides with the army that comes in and murders 5 unarmed women, and 7 unarmed children, one of whom was 1 year old. But hey, I guess that was a budding terrorist, so it was a good kill, right?

Qana..this Qana?

 

[QuestionEverything]

Now, I'm not sure where you live, buut if you live in Canada and are Canadian, you will find that both Hezbollah and Hamas are on our list of terrorist organizations......that makes them the enemy of Canada.......and of Canadians worthy of the name.

The mechanism for putting organization's names on the list is purely political, and has no basis in reality. If it were based on true actions and crimes, then the Israeli Defense Forces would be on there, as well as parts, or all, of the US administration and its armed forces, not to mention UK forces, all of whom participated in an illegal invasion and subjected civilian populations to real terrorism.

But history dictates that the winner gets to tell the story and make the rules. So far, Israel, the US and UK are writing the rules and Canada just keeps on bending over and asks "where would you like our kids to die for you today, sir?"

 

[QuestionEverything]

Allllrighty then.

I see that you have nothing constructive/intelligent/valuable left to offer, so I'll chalk this one up in the win column.

Whatever gets you through your day, CDNBeer, no problem with me. I have no intentions of altering your preceived reality, as you seem quite set in your way.

I can post repremands towards the UN and HRW, from many sources, for their bias. Not all those sources are "pro-Israeli propogandist shills" as you would say. But I find it interesting that the PR sites you frequent seem more unbiased to you, it says a great deal about your character and your apperant bigotry.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda....but all you did was post from pro-Israeli shills. I cannot discuss what your hypothetical actions.

And the bigotry that is not only apparent, but is readily obvious, is yours, and not mine. Your lock-step thinking and support for the IDF, against Hamas and Hezbollah, is mind-numbing in its consitency, in light of the deathly toll on unarmed women and children. I just cannot fathom how you can condone such actions, tacitly, or overtly, in any way whatsoever.

The bigotry is not with those that side with the downtrodden and the oppressed (Palestinians, Lebanese) in this case, but with those that support Israel, a country whose armed forces and destructive capability are in the top 6 worldwide.

I am not a Christian, but I would not have expected you to do any research of any relavence in regards to myself, before leveling accusations like that. Once again, saying volumes about your self. I am Native Canadian and fairly Traditional at that.

I have no need to do any research on you. This is an anonymous forum, to some extent. the Research would be pointless. Is it my fault that you come across like a right-wing, neo-con? I didn't know that I was supposed to think that right-wing neo-cons were only from a certain segment of the population. I guess Colin Powell, Alberto Gonzales, and Condoleeza Rice would be surprised to hear that too.

I can also say without a doubt, that if you had any research skills at all, you could have found that I am no a "Consperacy Theorist" of any kind, easier then you could have found out that I'm not Christian. In fact, I like facts, I have visited all your links. Most are suspect at best. The others offer no follow through, no proof of their sources, as it were.

You have set yourself up as a Coincidence Theorist. Of that, I doubt not many in here have any doubt whatsoever.

It's great that you feel this passionate about your cause, but I highly doubt you have thought your position through fully nor clearly. We're dealing with an organization that lives in septerfuge and uses the media to over sensatioalize events and atrocities. I'm not negating the acts of the IDF, but the events that transpire in the retrobution or defence from guerilla tactics, like firing missiles and rockets from highly populised areas and along side UN compounds. Is hardly fully the responsiblity of the IDF or all of Israel's population. Some onous most fall on those that perpitrate these acts as well.

Of course, re: onus. The onus must always fall upon the perpetrators of any given act. But how is it we can make light of thousands of civilians dead by the IDF's targeted civilian attacks, yet hold Hezbollah to a higher standard for their handful of civilian deaths as a result of random rocket fire?

Let's get this out of the way, yet again. Nasrallah has always maintained that Hezbollah will only retaliate against Israeli attacks and incursions, and he has kept to his word. But whenever this point comes up, the date keeps moving further back, as if trying to regain the moral high ground for Israel....even going back so far as '49 or so. No matter how far you go back, Israel is in the wrong.

But the Arab people are willing to strive for peace. They have said, collectively, that if Israel moves back to the '67 borders, each and ever country in the region will sign a peace treaty with Israel. But Israel chooses not to do so. It chooses to keep attacking and murdering Palestinians, playing with Lebanon, threatening Iran, Syria, and so on.

The threat to the region is Israel. The rest are merely patriots defending their country from the Israeli aggressors.

If this is all that drives you, you should really consider joining a peace corp. or an aid agency and lending your body to your vioce. Instead of fighting an unwinnable internet war with people, who by all accounts seem a tad more ratioal and apt to research then you.

There has been no difinitive, unbiased research by you or anyone else in here for Israel's benefit. All you do is peddly pro-Israeli shills and propagandists. Wishing it were otherwise, does not alter anyone's reality except maybe your own and a couple of other gullible folks.

 

[gopher]

It's amazing how certain Canadians concern themselves with historical civilian deaths in the ME but conveniently overlook worse examples of inhumane genocide among Ixils and other Native Americans in the Western hemisphere.

Here's just one example: http://www.nativeweb.org/papers/statements/human_rts/qullasuyu1.php

Many more people Native Americans have died as a result of brutal repression throughout all of Latin America (repression that is often financed with USA tax dollars). Yet, for some reason people on this forum choose to concern themselves with what goes on in the Middle East.

Amazing.

 

[CDNBear]

Whatever gets you through your day, CDNBeer, no problem with me. I have no intentions of altering your preceived reality, as you seem quite set in your way.

Nice switch in my nik, but I don't drink. Another easily researchable fact.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda....but all you did was post from pro-Israeli shills. I cannot discuss what your hypothetical actions.

And the bigotry that is not only apparent, but is readily obvious, is yours, and not mine. Your lock-step thinking and support for the IDF, against Hamas and Hezbollah, is mind-numbing in its consitency, in light of the deathly toll on unarmed women and children. I just cannot fathom how you can condone such actions, tacitly, or overtly, in any way whatsoever.

The bigotry is not with those that side with the downtrodden and the oppressed (Palestinians, Lebanese) in this case, but with those that support Israel, a country whose armed forces and destructive capability are in the top 6 worldwide.

I'm a nazi now am I? Another nice squack out from the lost cause factory of insults, when all else is lost.
Hmmm, oppression. I guess you missed the plight of the Jews prior to 48?

I have no need to do any research on you. This is an anonymous forum, to some extent. the Research would be pointless. Is it my fault that you come across like a right-wing, neo-con? I didn't know that I was supposed to think that right-wing neo-cons were only from a certain segment of the population. I guess Colin Powell, Alberto Gonzales, and Condoleeza Rice would be surprised to hear that too.

Right wing neo con? LOL, you and only the loony left think so. But then again you guys buy anything posted on Islam-o-fascist websites.

You have set yourself up as a Coincidence Theorist. Of that, I doubt not many in here have any doubt whatsoever.

I'ld like proof of that. Not just, "read back and see what you wrote", but some real proof. You won't find it in this thread, that's for sure.

Of course, re: onus. The onus must always fall upon the perpetrators of any given act. But how is it we can make light of thousands of civilians dead by the IDF's targeted civilian attacks, yet hold Hezbollah to a higher standard for their handful of civilian deaths as a result of random rocket fire?

I'm not holding the Hezbollah to a higher standard, that would be impossible. They are a criminal organization. The IDF is not, that's not to say that they have not committed crimes, bur hey, the Hezbollah set out the rules, you can't cry like gopher when those rules come back to haunt you.

Let's get this out of the way, yet again. Nasrallah has always maintained that Hezbollah will only retaliate against Israeli attacks and incursions, and he has kept to his word. But whenever this point comes up, the date keeps moving further back, as if trying to regain the moral high ground for Israel....even going back so far as '49 or so. No matter how far you go back, Israel is in the wrong.

No Nasrallah has always maintianed that he wants to rid the world of Jews, period. A completely provable fact that you have avoided answering several times. He said it, you can not argue it now that the genocidal bigot is out of the bag.
I haven't pushed the date back, even according to the UN, Israel has withdrawn from the disbuted region, onle holding now a secuirty buffer zone. If the Hezbollah would stop firing rockets in to Israel, they would pull out of there to.

But the Arab people are willing to strive for peace. They have said, collectively, that if Israel moves back to the '67 borders, each and ever country in the region will sign a peace treaty with Israel. But Israel chooses not to do so. It chooses to keep attacking and murdering Palestinians, playing with Lebanon, threatening Iran, Syria, and so on.

And Israel has no problem, but everytime they pull back, Hezbollah moves in closer to Irael and launches rockets deeper into Israel.

The threat to the region is Israel. The rest are merely patriots defending their country from the Israeli aggressors.

Now I know you are not worthy of my time.

There has been no difinitive, unbiased research by you or anyone else in here for Israel's benefit. All you do is peddly pro-Israeli shills and propagandists. Wishing it were otherwise, does not alter anyone's reality except maybe your own and a couple of other gullible folks.

Yes ther has been, just because you can not read or chose to ignore facts in evidence, does not negate the validity of what Colpy and I have posted. All our material is backed up to its sources that include the UN on many of the issues. If your inablity to accept fact is impair, I suggest the issue is at your end. That is further stressed by your gullible acceptence of anything scratched out by a pro Islam-o-fascist website that remotely bends to your train of thought.

When proven and checkable facts are dismissed with prejudice by the likes of yourself and goober, the bigotry is yours. I have no hate for the people of Palestain or Lebanon. I have hate for people who peddle half truths and lies like yours and goobers on the unsuspecting public. I can only hope and thank the GS, that niether you nor goober are in a position to unload your convaluded thoughts on anyone suseptable to your infection.

 

[CDNBear]

It's amazing how certain Canadians concern themselves with historical civilian deaths in the ME but conveniently overlook worse examples of inhumane genocide among Ixils and other Native Americans in the Western hemisphere.

Here's just one example: http://www.nativeweb.org/papers/statements/human_rts/qullasuyu1.php

Many more people Native Americans have died as a result of brutal repression throughout all of Latin America (repression that is often financed with USA tax dollars). Yet, for some reason people on this forum choose to concern themselves with what goes on in the Middle East.

Amazing.

I'm guessing you missed the title of the thread or your proven track record of only being able to read what ever supports what you pass off as thought.

This thread is not about Natives. I have alerted the mods to you continued referrence to Native peoples when engaging in threads I am posting in. You are using it as a tool for harrassment. I have asked you to stop, you seem unwilling. so I can only sumise that your are intentionally centering out my heritage. That is racism in its purest form. I will not tolerate it.

 

[QuestionEverything]

Whatever gets you through your day, CDNBeer, no problem with me. I have no intentions of altering your preceived reality, as you seem quite set in your way.

Nice switch in my nik, but I don't drink. Another easily researchable fact.

Wasn't a switch at all, merely w typo. You guys see non-existent stuff everywhere, don't you?

I'm a nazi now am I? Another nice squack out from the lost cause factory of insults, when all else is lost.
Hmmm, oppression. I guess you missed the plight of the Jews prior to 48?

I've never called you a nazi. Comer to think of it, I don't think I've called you any name at all. That's appears to be the modus operandi of people like you, Colpy, and others that like to believe in fiction.

Right wing neo con? LOL, you and only the loony left think so. But then again you guys buy anything posted on Islam-o-fascist websites.

First of all, it was you that said I would be surprised to find out that you were a Native. It was I that had to correct you, with the fact, that I did not presume your heritage to be of any particular people/nation, etc. I just commented on your neo-con musings in here. If you thought, that I thought, that you were white, then the presumption is yours, and not mine.

What is an Islam-o-fascist website? Are you copping Bushisms in here, or did you just take a head first tumble down the stairs? No matter, the end result is the same: a distinct lack of independent, critical thought.

I'm not holding the Hezbollah to a higher standard, that would be impossible. They are a criminal organization. The IDF is not, that's not to say that they have not committed crimes, bur hey, the Hezbollah set out the rules, you can't cry like gopher when those rules come back to haunt you.

Of course you are holding Hezbollah (and Hamas) to a different, and higher standard. When you do mention IDF war crimes, it is always in a way to lessen their superior might and wilful intent to wreak havoc on innocent civilians. Even the UN said the IDF targeted civilians in Lebanon (before Hezbollah handed their asses back to them).

The Israelis have been doing this in Palestine for decades now, and getting away with it, partially because of apologists such as yourself.

No Nasrallah has always maintianed that he wants to rid the world of Jews, period. A completely provable fact that you have avoided answering several times. He said it, you can not argue it now that the genocidal bigot is out of the bag.
I haven't pushed the date back, even according to the UN, Israel has withdrawn from the disbuted region, onle holding now a secuirty buffer zone. If the Hezbollah would stop firing rockets in to Israel, they would pull out of there to.

You used a quote from a pro-Israeli propagandist shill for the Nasrallah quote. That is not an unbiased source, so it calls her entire piece into question, especially in light of it being a propaganda piece. Using your kind of logic and support for that shill would mean that others could look to Goebbels to find "facts" about the Jewish people. Sheesh, that kind of logic is just plain evil.

And Israel has no problem, but everytime they pull back, Hezbollah moves in closer to Irael and launches rockets deeper into Israel.

Israel has yet to pull back, and stay back. It always creates a pretext for coming back in. It always has, it always will. The Hezbollah patriots hand them their cowardly just desserts, but the unarmed Palestinian women and infants do not stand a chance against the brave IDF soldiers.


How on earth can you stand by these murderers, as they invade other territories/nations, and yet you say they have withdrawn? You have established your belief, as has Colpy, that it is quite right to murder unarmed women and infants. For whatever reasons you have, you both declare your unwavering support in favour of the IDF's war crimes. End of story. You cannot sugarcoat that, no matter how you try to deflect the issue back onto me by labelling me in some juvenile fashion.

You and Colpy support war crimes.

 

[gopher]

This thread is not about Natives. I have alerted the mods to you continued referrence to Native peoples when engaging in threads I am posting in. You are using it as a tool for harrassment. I have asked you to stop, you seem unwilling. so I can only sumise that your are intentionally centering out my heritage. That is racism in its purest form. I will not tolerate it.

Perhaps this is a good time to let you know that I am partly Native American {Taino - Arawak}. This is why I am so concerned about Ixils. Therefore, it is not about your heritage - it is about mine {in part}.

Therfore, you are WRONG again.

BTW, where are those 100 posts in which you said I attacked Christianity? You never provided proofs of that claim, as usual.

 

[gopher]

I've never called you a nazi. Comer to think of it, I don't think I've called you any name at all. That's appears to be the modus operandi of people like you, Colpy, and others that like to believe in fiction.


Bingo. 100 % correct.

These geniuses continually ascribe name calling to everybody else but never show even one post in which any of us patriots direct any such words to them.

I'm still waiting for "proof" from CDNBear that I attacked Christianity on at least 100 occasions on this forum.

And it's a good bet I will continue to wait for a real long time.

 

[Colpy]

This, coming from the guy that says Israel is out of Gaza and Lebanon, and quite likely believes that the US is out of Iraq in much the same fashion.

I'll bet you that you're the type that also believes that that a cave dweller in Afghanistan and 19 Arabs with box cutters could defeat the multi-billion dollar, state-of-the-art, U.S. Air Force and national defense establishment, not just once, but four times on a single day.

Talk about conspiracy theorists. You guys take the cake.

Don't be obtuse.

as you well know, Israel withdrew from Lebanon in 2000, and from Gaza last fall. Israel only re-entered those places in reply to, or to prevent attacks from people sworn to Israel's destruction.

It is called self-defense.

 

[gopher]

correction - as per the innumerable links posted here previously, it was Israel that has repeatedly violated the blue line without provocation:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3309474,00.html

 

[Colpy]

What, did some teenaged Israeli soldier put his toe across an imaginary line, inspiring jihad for years to come?

Do you guys think the Israelis have nothing better to do than spend billions of dollars, to say nothing of the lives of young Israelis, starting fights with those that surround them?

Explain, PLEASE, I BEG you, what Israel's motives are, if not self-defense. Convince me.

Remember, Israel is at peace with Egypt and Jordan, and there are few problems.............Israelis don't invade their territory.

WHAT IS THE MOTIVATION FOR ISRAEL TO STIR UP HEZBOLLAH AND HAMAS?

 

[gopher]

WHAT IS THE MOTIVATION FOR ISRAEL TO STIR UP HEZBOLLAH AND HAMAS?



Did you read my earlier posts re Ostrovsky's By Way of Deception ? Also, an article from Uri Avnery was posted regarding Israel's determination to have a Quisling government imposed both in Lebanon and in Palestine. Israel knows that it can always rely on the USA to defend it and remains determined to get its way no matter what.

 

[CDNBear]

Perhaps this is a good time to let you know that I am partly Native American {Taino - Arawak}. This is why I am so concerned about Ixils. Therefore, it is not about your heritage - it is about mine {in part}.

Therfore, you are WRONG again.

BTW, where are those 100 posts in which you said I attacked Christianity? You never provided proofs of that claim, as usual.

You are a fraud and a bigot, several people have pointed that out to you in the past. It is also the reason that very few here still disciuss things with you.

I have reported it, the mods have said they'll watch it, enough said.

You have ever will go on my ignore list. I have no wish to debate or discuss anything with someone so void of moral character and debase of human thought.

Goober, there are a 100 claims you made that proof was never offered, news flash, you will never see the proof, you are void of a thought process that would allow you to read anything openly.

 

[CDNBear]

QE said.

(before Hezbollah handed their asses back to them).

Well, you seem to be going down fast and still have not actually disproven Colpy and my sources, all you do is say they are biased. Colpy and I can prove your sources faults and have.

Arguing this with you QE and goober is like arguing quatum mechanics with a 2 year old. You have not got he proofg or skills to argue it, but damned if you got the notion you do.

It's cute but futile.

Just keep telling yourself that the proof ofered by Colpy and myself is junk. Colpy and I have a list of nations on our side. You, a list or criminal organizations. Have you ever heard the saying, guilt by association?

Once again, I thank the GS, and hope that you and goober only have this avenue to propogate your insiduous loathing and anti-semetic garbage.

You and goober are the appitamy of cowrdly bigots.

 

[CDNBear]

I've never called you a nazi. Comer to think of it, I don't think I've called you any name at all. That's appears to be the modus operandi of people like you, Colpy, and others that like to believe in fiction.


Bingo. 100 % correct.

These geniuses continually ascribe name calling to everybody else but never show even one post in which any of us patriots direct any such words to them.

I'm still waiting for "proof" from CDNBear that I attacked Christianity on at least 100 occasions on this forum.

And it's a good bet I will continue to wait for a real long time.

What exactly does this mean goober?
"Your lock-step thinking"

I am fully of awar of what the lock step is. And it is a cowards way of referring to someone as a nazi.

Perhaps if you had one once of self respect you would be able to give some to others, but allas, that will not likely occure anytime soon either.

I gave you proof, two whole threads of it. So stop your crying, you got it, now deal with it.

Biuld a bridge and get over it.


You say you are Native now goober, then that would make you my brother. Therefore you and I should not fight, and you should help me fight these liers. Oh wait you are a lier. Keep up the lies goob, next you'll tell us your a tonka truck, vrooom vrooooooom.

Give it up goober. You lost twice before, do you really need to loose again?