Israeli Untouched War Crime Qana 1996
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Lebanon has elections, yes, over the last couple of years, but they have until very recently been a puppet regime of Syria, one of the worst human rights offenders on earth. AND Lebanon has no control over the south, which is run by Hezbollah. Iran has elections, and you can even run in them, but only if you are approved by the Mullahs. I'm not sure about Egypt, they may have elections that reasonably represent democracy. They are also at peace with Israel.
The Israelis that fired at the women were trying to prevent the escape of Hamas militants who were hiding among them. Personally, I don't think they fired enough, as the militants escaped. When you voluntarily shield my enemy, you become my enemy. BTW, at least one of the militants was dressed as a woman.
It seems from your reaction to my post on Hezbollah that you are not interested in facts, but ever hpefull, here you go:http://www.americansephardifederation.org/sub/sources/jewish_refugees.asp or http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_independence_refugees_jews_why.php or http://www.jafi.org.il/education/100/maps/refs.html
What, Hezbollah was firing tomatoes into Israel?
The missing Israeli soldiers were invited to a party in Lebanon, and went willingly?
Hamas is also chucking rotten vegetables at Israel, and the explosions therein are the result of excessive flatulence?
Israel abandoned Gaza to the Palestinians, as it abandoned southern Lebanon to Hezbollah, only to have both places turn into launch pads for attacks on Israel.........that is reality that can't be denied.......
LEBANESE PATRIOTS!!!!!!!!!!! Pul-lease!
These tools of the lunatic Mullahs of Iran and the murderer running Syria couldn't care LESS about Lebanon......Israel LEFT Lebanon in 2000, and retired behind borders set up by the United Nations........
Hezbollah is determined to at least destroy Israel, and would prefer to kill every Jew on earth......something you refuse to address.
If Hezbollah gave a damn about Lebanon or the Lebanese it would cease attacks from Lebanese territory, or would AT LEAST stop hidiing behind Lebanese civilians..........
AND you never addressed the FACT that Israel restrained itself very much in last summer's confict........I'll say it again, ghad Israel NOT cared about the death of civilians, they would have killed 10 or 100 THOUSAND Lebanese, not 16 or 17 hundred.
Hang on, you wait right there, I'm folding up a tin foil hat for you right now.
Bull****.
She has FOOTNOTED the piece. To counter it, you have to show where she lies. I could say "everything you read is Arab propaganda" That means nothing. Intellectual laziness. Either do the work, or shut up.
As I've already said, there are no unbiased sources.............as for ignorance, I sit in awe of your mastery of ignorance.
Speaking of ignorance.........Israel is fighting Hezbollah and Hamas......both of which refuse to recognize Israel's right to EXIST, both of which have actively worked to undermine any peace process........there IS no peace initiative from these organizations.
I really don't know where you get this stuff.
Unfortunately, these forums are not democracies. That's not bad, or good, just a fact. Every forum has a different reason for its existence. Soem are for debate, some of for disinformation, and many other reasons.
There are always people that will be in favour, and fall out of favour, with different moderators. All one can do is put forth the truth, and if it is not appreciated in a certain forum, then you are out.
Colpy has already hinted that I am on my way out. Perhaps a disinformation specialist like Colpy is indeed tight with this forum and has some say in booting truthtellers....maybe not. Maybe he just thinks he's a big man in a small pond. I replied to a long post of his with detailed facts refuting his stated fantasies. That reply of mine is not yet been released. I have emailed this forum asking if it will be released. No answer as of yet. Perhaps the moderator is very busy doing other things. These things happen.
You can only hope to tell the truth, but if it is not wanted, then there isn't much one can do. You just have to keep trying to get the truth out, because you sure as hell are not going to get it form the likes of Colpy, Sassylassie, the National Post, or any mainstream media outlet.
To them, as long as people of a different colour can be labelled terrorists, well, then we can just bomb the crap out of them and we all become "heroes" for it. Quite sad, indeed.
Ok, so by your own admission, Israel is not a rule-of-law democracy in the region. So make up your mind. First you say it is, now you say it isn't. Methinks you are mightily confused, by waffling all over the map with your assertions.
A beautiful statement that gives away your racist tendencies. The IDF did not fire ENOUGH upon unarmed Arab women. Are you even smart enough to feel embarassed about such a statement? Hell, I'd bet that you are brave enough to go over there and fire on some elderly unarmed women yourself, huh? No point letting someone else have all the fun, eh?
They were captured in Lebanon. It was an act of war, and the Lebanese patriots were well within their rights to capture the moronic invaders. The they gave the IDF a resounding defeat. Quite embarassing for the IDF, really. Good thing they returned to shooting unarmed women, where they fare better.
Reality? Oh man, what colour is the sky in your world? Israel, as we speak remains in Gaza attacking the unarmed population. Remember the unarmed women? Yeah, that was in Palestine. And the IDF attacked Lebanon. So much for leaving the areas.
By that logic then you would also state, in an equally delusional state, that the US has left Iraq.
Colpy, at this point I am feeling very sorry for you. I am now not at all certain about your capacity to comprehend simple facts. Perhaps you are on the IDF payroll to hit the blogs to keep the propaganda flowing in a pro-Israel manner. Is it good pay, Colpy?
I have already address this piece of fiction of yours. Nasrallah has stated that he only attacks Israel in response to an Israeli act of aggression. He has been true to his word. He has never initiated anything towards Israel.
Oh, it cared so much that it only killed....what, is up to 1800 now? We should all be thankful Israel didn't unleash a nuke on them, is that what you are saying. Because the number of unarmed civilians TARGETED by Israel was far less than its capacity, we should all somehow be happy? Sp even if they killed only 90% of all Lebanese, we should still be happy that they didn't kill 100% of them?
What kind of sick thinking are you perpetuating, Colpy? Why don't you go over there, pick up a gun, and do the same thing? Pretty brave of you to sit behind a computer screen and cheer on the murder of unarmed women and children, isn't it? So brave of you, in a right-wing kind of way.
10 times they pleaded with the Israeli's to stop bombing....only to get a lser-guided bomb in their exact location. These were unarmed UN observers. One of them was Canadian.
http://www.mpacuk.org/content/view/2406/34/
Make sure you make that tin foil cap snug and tight....it appears that your ilk are the ones that need them. The rest of us just tell it like it is.
Ok, so she's a pro-Israel propagandist shill that USES footnotes. Ooooh, that makes her fiction more believable.
Ah, finally i see a glimmer of hope for you yet. I may yet turn you into a kind, caring, loving human being, concerned for your fellow man, even if they aren't white like you.
The key phrase is there are no unbiased sources. If that is true, then why do you state that your biased sources are truthful, yet other sources that actually do speak the truth, are not worthy of merit?
Is it because the "other" side speaks up for non-white people? Is that what really bothers you? Colpy, please tell me that your not a closet-KKK type, cuz that is the vibe you are giving off. Correct me if I'm wrong. And no, having a maid of a different race and a gardener of yet another race does not make you a humanitarian.
No, it means that you have to deal with her sources to disprove what she says......you must show that she misquotes, quotes out of contect, or that her sources are faulty in some way.......simply calling her a "propagandist" is not debate, it is name-calling.......fun perhaps, but empty of all relevence.
Well, I'd actually like to withdraw that comment. You seem to have maintained the minimum level of decorum required. In your first posts, I actually thought your insults and abuse would get you junked. You've toned it down, and no one gets chucked here unless they are VERY abusive. And, BTW, I don't have any contact or pull with the administration, and I don't complain about posters EVER. I figure people have every right to make a damn fool of themselves........
Funny from a guy that has yet to disprove anything I have posted here, either first or second hand. If you want disinformation, talk to your sources, because they wouldn't know truth if it bit them on the arse.
Unless there is something new here I am unaware of, all the fantasies are in YOUR head. RELEASED by whom? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!! Posts here are posted instantly, without prior review..........offensive posts masy be removed later. Once gone, moderators have never returned one. I don't understand what you are talking about, so I would suggest you re-post.
Yeah right, we should all subscribe to the Tinfoil Daily News to read about alien statues on Mars emitting rays to control the mainstream media to be sympathetic to the Jews, who are secretly preparing the planet for their invasion...............or whatever.
THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!
Me?
I'm just a simple workin' man. Don't have no servants.
And I hate lunatic white right-wing racist/genocidal organizations like the KKK, or Aryan Nations, etc.
I also hate lunatic non-white racist/genocidal organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas.............
so who is the racist unconcerned with the state of humanity?
Ya now that link took me to a source that is so credible, are you kidding?
Here's a transcript from an email from Hess-von Kruedner, the CDN Soldier killed in that bombing run, to retired Major General Lewis MacKenzie. These are his words, not the propoganda of some Muslim PR web site.
''What I can tell you is this,'' ''We have on a daily basis had numerous occasions where our position has come under direct or indirect fire from both (Israeli) artillery and aerial bombing."
''The closest artillery has landed within 2 meters (sic) of our position and the closest 1000 lb aerial bomb has landed 100 meters (sic) from our patrol base. This has not been deliberate targeting, but rather due to tactical necessity.''
''What that means is, in plain English, 'We've got Hezbollah fighters running around in our positions, taking our positions here and then using us for shields and then engaging the (Israeli Defence Forces),'
''The most important thing in combat these days, funnily enough, is not to win the firefight but to win the information battle and the PR battle,''
Now please if you want to counter this piece of legitemate proof, you are going to have to find something a lil more credible then an Arabic or Muslim PR group.
Once again a blatant falsehood. You may not insult directly, but you drop your age and begin saying things like "next" and "owned" in big bold letters or call us "reich" wingers, like a child losing a game, as if it might help your platform. I take serious offence to being called a nazi. I also firmly believe that you have little to no idea of what a nazi is. But you are a closer match to it then I, or Colpy.
You completely ignore our links and proof, or you claim they are irrelivant because it is not worthy source for you, yet you continuously post links to Muslim PR firms. And claim it to be fact.
You create alot of your own issues. If you would stop dismissing everything put forth as pure trash, when you know it is not, and you stopped acting like a child when you start to lose your case, people would not likely digress to your level and start calling you names.
A little un biased reading on your part might go along way to lift your status among us.
It may also surprise you, that I will miss Researcher, but the factsthat you claim were posted by Re, are hardly objective. Wikipedia is hardly a source for journalism or current events in the ME. It is accusations like that, that are tantammount to insulting peoples intellegence, that get you called names.
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Well, of course, Colpy. I am respectful of all those that deserve it. Unlike you and others of your ilk in here, some of whom start out by calling someone that disagrees with them, a nutbar, then proceed to whine about some imagined slight or other.
But that's just me. You get all the respect you deserve, regardless of whether I agree with you.
This, coming from the guy that says Israel is out of Gaza and Lebanon, and quite likely believes that the US is out of Iraq in much the same fashion.
I'll bet you that you're the type that also believes that that a cave dweller in Afghanistan and 19 Arabs with box cutters could defeat the multi-billion dollar, state-of-the-art, U.S. Air Force and national defense establishment, not just once, but four times on a single day.
Talk about conspiracy theorists. You guys take the cake.
The differen between the KKK and other groups you know the names of, versus Hezbollah and Hamas, is that the latter 2 are patriots. The local Resistance as it were.
You never heard the French Resistance of WWII referred to as French racists, did you? They were patriotic local resistance fighters, figting for the freedom of their country against a foreign oppressor, in the exact same way and veing that Hamas and Hezbollah are doing.
To claim otherwise is Orwellian doublespeak, and a deliberate misinterpretation of known facts.
Dead men speak to you now? Oh, no way his email was altered. Nah....it wouldn't be in anyone's best interest to alter his email, would it now?
Are you so gullible as to believe everything spoon-fed to you? Are you capable of critical thought?
I've never called you a name, sorry. You got the wrong person. Never called you a reich-anything, even is some may feel that the label suits you. I don't operate that way. You have yet to post a supportable fact, let alone from an unbiased source.
Let's face it, based on your postings, you are not here to debate, you are here to parrot or ape some line of propaganda by rote. The distinct absence of independant and critical thought from your postings leave much to be desired, in my honest opinion. It's like you're writing from a script, and not even your own.
Okay
The Top Ten differences between the French resistance (FR) and Hezbollah/Hamas (HH):
10. The leaders of the French Resistance never claimed to want to commit genocide, as has the leader of Hezbollah. (Oh, I know, my sources haven't been approved by a committee consisting of Bin Laden, Noam Chomsky, and Nasrallah himself, so they don't count in your little world, but we are trying to deal with REALITY here)
9. The leaders of the French resistance never claimed to want the complete anihilation of any nation, as do both Hezbollah and Hamas.
8. The French resistance never attacked the citizens of neutral nations in their own country, simply because of their race...........as have Hezbollah.
7. The French resistance was fighting against an army that occupied their nation..........Israel withdrew from Lebanon completely in 2000.
6. The French resistance did not launch attacks on German civilians at home. Hamas and Hezbollah regularly target Israeli civilians.
5. The French resistance was supported by the free nations of the world against fascist tyranny. Hamas'/Hezbollah is supported by Islamofascist tyranny against the free nations of the world........
4. The French resistance never used promises of rewards in the next life to coax the children of their own people to destroy themselves in suicide attacks.
3. The French resistance wanted to create a free socialist state in France......HH wants to create a strict, Islamofascist theocracy.
2. The French resistance did not expend the lives of their fellow fFrenchmen by using them as human shields. (not that it would have done much good against Nazis....)
1. The French resistance were our friends. HH are our enemies.
Once again I would like to respectfully ask for proof OBL, planned the attacks from a cave?
As the plans were being hatched, he lived the life of a God in Afghanistan, he was a freedom fighting hereo, from the Russian Afghan war.
Your grasp of history, leaves a little to be desired, even the UN acknowledges the withdrawl from the disputed areas. If you like I can give you links to the facts, I highly doubt you'll ask though. Facts do not seem to agree with you, or you with them.