Israel prepares to launch attack....

[I think not]

Re: RE: Israel prepares to la

I don t listen to anyone, i collect the most information i can get and then i make my own opinion, and no, oussama bin laden never claimed responsibility of the attacks, in fact on september 28th 2001 he said the opposite.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oussama_bin_Laden

"I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle.... The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself.... intelligence agencies in the U.S.,"

I guess you missed his November 11th press conference:

Link

The hijackers were "blessed by Allah to destroy America's economic and military landmarks". He freely admits to being behind the attacks: "If avenging the killing of our people is terrorism then history should be a witness that we are terrorists. Yes, we kill their innocents and this is legal religiously and logically."

 

[Jay]

God knows it did not cross our minds to attack the towers but after the situation became unbearable and we witnessed the injustice and tyranny of the American-Israeli alliance against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, I thought about it. And the events that affected me directly were that of 1982 and the events that followed -- when America allowed the Israelis to invade Lebanon, helped by the U.S. Sixth Fleet. As I watched the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me punish the unjust the same way (and) to destroy towers in America so it could taste some of what we are tasting and to stop killing our children and women.
Osama bin Laden

 

[I think not]

You don't have to believe it, just sit back and enjoy the ride.

How can you enjoy a ride where us military are killing innoncent people for their fake war??

3000 dead Americans say the war isn't fake.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Israel prepares to la

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I guess you missed his November 11th press conference:

Link

The hijackers were "blessed by Allah to destroy America's economic and military landmarks". He freely admits to being behind the attacks: "If avenging the killing of our people is terrorism then history should be a witness that we are terrorists. Yes, we kill their innocents and this is legal religiously and logically."

Have you seen this footage?? it is all distorted and you can barely see and hear oussama bin laden

According to fbi website, oussama bin laden is left handed, in this video, coincidently oussama bin laden is suddenly right handed.



Now you probably understand why i dont believe anything that comes from your governement.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Israel prepares to la

Have you seen this footage?? it is all distorted and you can barely see and hear oussama bin laden

According to fbi website, oussama bin laden is left handed, in this video, coincidently oussama bin laden is suddenly right handed.

Now you probably understand why i dont believe anything that comes from your governement.

Why believe he is left handed then?

 

[aeon]

You don't have to believe it, just sit back and enjoy the ride.

How can you enjoy a ride where us military are killing innoncent people for their fake war??

3000 dead Americans say the war isn't fake.

Tell that to innoncent dead people in iraq, would you be able to explain to them why they are dead??


wmd??
saddam link to alquada??
imminent threat??
oil??
world domination??

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Israel prepares to la

Have you seen this footage?? it is all distorted and you can barely see and hear oussama bin laden

According to fbi website, oussama bin laden is left handed, in this video, coincidently oussama bin laden is suddenly right handed.

Now you probably understand why i dont believe anything that comes from your governement.

Why believe he is left handed then?

fbi isnt the governement.remember jhon oneil?? who was frustrated because the bush administration obstructed him on investigating alquada, and died on 9-11 in the twin tower??

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Israel prepares to la

Have you seen this footage?? it is all distorted and you can barely see and hear oussama bin laden

According to fbi website, oussama bin laden is left handed, in this video, coincidently oussama bin laden is suddenly right handed.

Now you probably understand why i dont believe anything that comes from your governement.

Why believe he is left handed then?

fbi isnt the governement.

Oh :?

 

[I think not]

Tell that to innoncent dead people in iraq, would you be able to explain to them why they are dead??

Would that include the ones under Saddams reign?

wmd??

Nope

saddam link to alquada??

Nope

imminent threat??

Nope

oil??

Nope

world domination??

Nope

You forgot the threat to the region and in particular Israel.

 

[aeon]

Would that include the ones under Saddams reign?

totally.

oil??

Nope

yes u mean, go see the pnac web site, who s oil coorporation are operating in iraq right now?? 2 uks and 2 usa.

world domination??

Nope

yes u mean, go see the pnac web site.

You forgot the threat to the region and in particular Israel.

There was no threat to the region from iraq, and same for israel.United nations inspection destroyed 95% of illegal weapons in iraq, the counttry has been under un sanctions(which was by the way supported by UK and USA) for 13 years, where 1.5millions of innoncent peoples has died directly because of the sanctions.

 

[Jay]

I guess Saddam really screwed up bad.

 

[I think not]

yes u mean, go see the pnac web site, who s oil coorporation are operating in iraq right now?? 2 uks and 2 usa.

The United States was the largest importer of Iraqi oil under the UN Oil-for-Food program, you know the one I am talking about? Why mess up a good thing?

yes u mean, go see the pnac web site.

World domination announced for all to see? Interesting :roll:

There was no threat to the region from iraq, and same for israel.

Kuwait says you're wrong, so do the other Arab countries that permitted US and allies to launch an attack. Israel has been under threat since it's inception.

United nations inspection destroyed 95% of illegal weapons in iraq, the counttry has been under un sanctions(which was by the way supported by UK and USA) for 13 years, where 1.5millions of innoncent peoples has died directly because of the sanctions.

The UN approved Gulf War I and implemented the sanctions against Iraq. The US and UK picked up the costs. And Saddam killed his people by diverting oil revenue to fill his pockets, not to mention buying villas in....France?

 

[aeon]

The United States was the largest importer of Iraqi oil under the UN Oil-for-Food program, you know the one I am talking about? Why mess up a good thing?

So you admit, the reason why your country is in iraq, is because of oil, i admire your honesty.

World domination announced for all to see? Interesting :roll:
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go see the pnac web site,and read it carefully.

Kuwait says you're wrong, so do the other Arab countries that permitted US and allies to launch an attack. Israel has been under threat since it's inception.

That is speculations,arab countries didnt let usa and allies to launch attack on iraq because they fear iraq.

The UN approved Gulf War I and implemented the sanctions against Iraq. The US and UK picked up the costs. And Saddam killed his people by diverting oil revenue to fill his pockets, not to mention buying villas in....France?

The UN implemented the sanction in iraq, because saddam invaded koweit in 1991, then the us and uk decided not to lift the sanctions until saddam comply with the un regarding illegal weapons. Then all leaders from bush 1, clinton and this administration, stated that they will never lift sanctions unless saddam regime is gone. So saying that saddam killed his own peoples while he was diverting oil for food, is pure speculations at his bests.

Now about the oil for food scandal, have you forget what halliburton and cheeney did during the sancctions?? they deal with saddam, when it was prohibited by the sanctions, do you know how cheeney get away with it?? because at the time his home was in canada, incredible isnt??


It is hard for the us to tell others about corruption, when usa are doing worst.


_Only a quarter of $23 million entrusted to civilian and military project and contracting officers to pay contractors ever found its way to those contractors.

_One contractor was paid $14,000 on four separate occasions for the same job.

_Of $7.3 million spent on a police academy near Hillah, auditors could account for just $4 million. They said $1.3 million was wasted on overpriced or duplicate construction or equipment not delivered. More than $2 million was missing.

_U.S. personnel "needlessly disbursed more than $1.8 million" of the estimated $2.3 million spent for renovating the library in the Shiite holy city of Karbala.

_The library contractor delivered only 18 of 68 personal computers called for and did not install Internet wiring or software. The computers worked only as stand-alones.

_The U.S.-led security transition command spent $945,000 for seven armored Mercedes-Benzes that were too lightly armored for Iraq. Auditors were able to account for only six of the cars.

_At one point, several paying agents kept cash inside the same filing cabinet in the Hillah vault. One agent took $100,000 from another's stack of cash to clear his own balance. "This was only discovered because the other paying agent had to make a disbursement that day and realized that he was short cash," the report says.

 

[I think not]

So you admit, the reason why your country is in iraq, is because of oil, i admire your honesty.

I suggested since we were importing most of the oil out of Iraq anyway, why would we spend billions of dollars getting what we had in the first place?

go see the pnac web site,and read it carefully.

I've read the PNAC site repeatedly, you can't seem to answer why such an evil agenda would be out in the open for all to see.

That is speculations,arab countries didnt let usa and allies to launch attack on iraq because they fear iraq.

That's speculation? :roll: Why did they let them launch attacks then from their land? Because they didn't like the way Saddam dressed in public?

The UN implemented the sanction in iraq, because saddam invaded koweit in 1991, then the us and uk decided not to lift the sanctions until saddam comply with the un regarding illegal weapons. Then all leaders from bush 1, clinton and this administration, stated that they will never lift sanctions unless saddam regime is gone. So saying that saddam killed his own peoples while he was diverting oil for food, is pure speculations at his bests.

The Un never lifted the sanctions because the US and UK would have blocked the resolution until Iraq disarmed. More speculation? What did Saddam with the oil money?

Now about the oil for food scandal, have you forget what halliburton and cheeney did during the sancctions?? they deal with saddam, when it was prohibited by the sanctions, do you know how cheeney get away with it?? because at the time his home was in canada, incredible isnt??

What's incredible is your distortion of the facts to fuel your bias, nothing more.

It is hard for the us to tell others about corruption, when usa are doing worst.

_Only a quarter of $23 million entrusted to civilian and military project and contracting officers to pay contractors ever found its way to those contractors.

_One contractor was paid $14,000 on four separate occasions for the same job.

_Of $7.3 million spent on a police academy near Hillah, auditors could account for just $4 million. They said $1.3 million was wasted on overpriced or duplicate construction or equipment not delivered. More than $2 million was missing.

_U.S. personnel "needlessly disbursed more than $1.8 million" of the estimated $2.3 million spent for renovating the library in the Shiite holy city of Karbala.

_The library contractor delivered only 18 of 68 personal computers called for and did not install Internet wiring or software. The computers worked only as stand-alones.

_The U.S.-led security transition command spent $945,000 for seven armored Mercedes-Benzes that were too lightly armored for Iraq. Auditors were able to account for only six of the cars.

_At one point, several paying agents kept cash inside the same filing cabinet in the Hillah vault. One agent took $100,000 from another's stack of cash to clear his own balance. "This was only discovered because the other paying agent had to make a disbursement that day and realized that he was short cash," the report says.

Yeah, but this was OUR money, we didn't take it from the Iraqi's, like their leader did.

 

[aeon]

I suggested since we were importing most of the oil out of Iraq anyway, why would we spend billions of dollars getting what we had in the first place?

Ok i see, good point, but still only 4 coorporation are operating in iraq, 2 us and 2 uks, and not counting it is privitazed, the real reason behind the war, was oil, and geopolitical strategy. If saddam would be still in place, and sanctions would have been lifted, it would have favored frrench and russian oil coorporations.

I've read the PNAC site repeatedly, you can't seem to answer why such an evil agenda would be out in the open for all to see.

well ask pnac members, they are "jeb bush, dick cheeney, donald rumsfeld, richard armitage,richard perle" and so on.

That's speculation? :roll: Why did they let them launch attacks then from their land? Because they didn't like the way Saddam dressed in public?

Well they fear more the us than saddam, we canadians lost about 5000 jobs, because we didnt support the war in iraq, the crisis sorrounding " vache folle" (sorry i dont know the word in english) and the crisis of the "" bois d oeuvre""

The Un never lifted the sanctions because the US and UK would have blocked the resolution until Iraq disarmed. More speculation? What did Saddam with the oil money?

Good point, but you have to understand that during 13 years, 63 bn was given to the oil for food, saddam bribed 750 millions of this oil for food scandal, so saying he bribed all the money is only speculations,750 millions out of 63bn is about 1% , still it is very bad though.

What's incredible is your distortion of the facts to fuel your bias, nothing more.

nah , come on halliburton did business with saddam when it was prohibited, dick cheeney got away with it, cause his home was in canada, do your own search and you will see.

Yeah, but this was OUR money, we didn't take it from the Iraqi's, like their leader did.

half true, i admit.ther is also money made from iraqie oil is there for the reconstruction of the country, look at it, us coorporation are given small amount of money for the oil, and that money is in for the reconstructions.There is also money that has been lost from iraqie oil, something like 20bn in 3 years.

 

[I think not]

Ok i see, good point, but still only 4 coorporation are operating in iraq, 2 us and 2 uks, and not counting it is privitazed, the real reason behind the war, was oil, and geopolitical strategy. If saddam would be still in place, and sanctions would have been lifted, it would have favored frrench and russian oil coorporations.

Hey, don't ever get the impression I am siding with oil companies, I don't think they run the world, but I don't like them nonetheless, as I don't banks and insurance companies. The war wasn't about oil, well it was indirectly to a certain extent, geopolitical strategy and security of Israel, I buy it.

well ask pnac members, they are "jeb bush, dick cheeney, donald rumsfeld, richard armitage,richard perle" and so on.

Come on mate, nobody is going to advertise the domination of the world, it's common sense.

Well they fear more the us than saddam, we canadians lost about 5000 jobs, because we didnt support the war in iraq, the crisis sorrounding " vache folle" (sorry i dont know the word in english) and the crisis of the "" bois d oeuvre""

Your English is fine, alot better than my French (sorry about that). Canadian companies were screaming because the US government wouldn't give them reconstruction contracts. My reply to that, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Sorry, but the real world doesn't work that way. Canada made it's choice, you can't expect to reep benefits without risks.

Good point, but you have to understand that during 13 years, 63 bn was given to the oil for food, saddam bribed 750 millions of this oil for food scandal, so saying he bribed all the money is only speculations,750 millions out of 63bn is about 1% , still it is very bad though.

Look, I'm not Saddam, or our prick President. All I know is, $63 Billion for a food program that resulted in people starving sounds pretty fishy to me that Saddam had nothing to do with it.

nah , come on halliburton did business with saddam when it was prohibited, dick cheeney got away with it, cause his home was in canada, do your own search and you will see.

Well, haven't heard about this one, so I'll look into it.

 

[aeon]

Hey, don't ever get the impression I am siding with oil companies, I don't think they run the world, but I don't like them nonetheless, as I don't banks and insurance companies

Ok sorry, if i sounds like that, but it wasnt meant to.And don t get the impression i am anti-american, actually it is the opposite.

. The war wasn't about oil, well it was indirectly to a certain extent, geopolitical strategy and security of Israel, I buy it.

I can buy it was a litle bit for israel and geopolitcal strategy, but it was mainly for oil. In 1998, richard perle, dick cheeney, well the pnac members, wrote a letter to bill clinton, saying iraqie oil was the best alternative for the american economy.An invasion of iraq would be welcome.

Come on mate, nobody is going to advertise the domination of the world, it's common sense..

yes you right, but they do it in a very clever way.

Read the grandchessboard by a guy called brezwinsky, he calls for world domination, i know he has nothing to do with the pnac, but still very interesting.

"Your English is fine, alot better than my French (sorry about that). Canadian companies were screaming because the US government wouldn't give them reconstruction contracts. My reply to that, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Sorry, but the real world doesn't work that way. Canada made it's choice, you can't expect to reep benefits without risks."

True, and i remembered it.

.Look, I'm not Saddam, or our prick President. All I know is, $63 Billion for a food program that resulted in people starving sounds pretty fishy to me that Saddam had nothing to do with it.

Saddam was a son of a %$^# , no doubt about it, but we cant always blame saddam for what we(western) did to them, i includes canada, cause we supported the sanctions in 1999.

According to 2 americans who worked for the sanctions in iraq(denis holiday and hans von sponek), said the one to blame on the united nations sanctions are usa, and uk, and everybody else that support the sanctions,they don t even blame saddam at all, if you have time, here is a good interview with denis halliday on oil for food scandals.


http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/17/1524256

 

[I think not]

I can buy it was a litle bit for israel and geopolitcal strategy, but it was mainly for oil. In 1998, richard perle, dick cheeney, well the pnac members, wrote a letter to bill clinton, saying iraqie oil was the best alternative for the american economy.An invasion of iraq would be welcome.

We're back to square one here, it wouldn't make sense to spend hundreds of billions of dollars to access something we had to begin with.

yes you right, but they do it in a very clever way.

Read the grandchessboard by a guy called brezwinsky, he calls for world domination, i know he has nothing to do with the pnac, but still very interesting.

Yeah I know about him, he was NSA under Carter and the guy who called the Soviet Union a totalitarian state.

Saddam was a son of a %$^# , no doubt about it, but we cant always blame saddam for what we(western) did to them, i includes canada, cause we supported the sanctions in 1999.

No we cannot blame Saddam for everything, because it is the West that helped him when it suited them.

 

[cyberclark]

We could chew on this for the next five years and go no place!

Bush took the Americans into Iraq in part because he needed a large project to take care of the huge unemployment in the US. He needed a project! We all know war isn't a paying project but it does get people on the payroll someplace.

The other reason he went in was rather juvinile; he wanted to set Saddam right for bad mouthing his Dad and in his words "finish the job my Dad started"

It's all crap! Nothing we vent here is going to change anything. The US are already trying to find a way to bale and can't. Dick Chaney is in solid with his Halliburton crew and a band of mercenearies to take care of the "US interest".

Colonialisim, pure and simple.

 

[Colpy]

The odd thing is that I read in yesterday's National Post that an Iraqi General, second in command of the Iraqi air force under Hussein, claims there were WMDs in Iraq, and that they were shippen to the Ba'athist regime in Syria when it became obvious the US was going to attack................

I am not saying this is true.....you would think there would be more evidence than the word of one man.........

But what if Bush was right?