Israel prepares to launch attack....

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aeon said:
Colpy said:
Here's your answer.

The last time a suicide bomber from Hamas or Islamic Jihad blew up Israeli civilians was the last time Iran attacked somebody.

The last time either of these bunch of nuts fired rockets into Israel was the last time Iran attacked somebody.


Speculation at this best, you have absotly no evidence that iran is behind palestinians attacks, actually we know for a fact that saudi arabia support palestinians terrorist groups, but who cares about saudi arabia, since they are great lobyist.



Colpy said:
Both these terror groups are closely aligned and heavily supported by Iran. Iran has been attacking Israel by proxy for years ans years.

Now imagine these loonies with nukes.


Speculation my friend, otherwise proove it.

Colpy said:
Israel has reasion to fear, and reason to act.


Yeah israel has the right to do whatever it please them(illegal bomb raid, illegal occupations etcc), and nobody in the world would do anything, and you see anything wrong in this.


Colpy said:
”Our dear Imam said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement.” – Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President of Iran, regarding Israel and the occupation of Palestine, at the World Without Zionism conference, 2005


That is not a direct quote again, the leader of iran, talked about of getting rid of Zionist, which i totally agree with, zionist, and all the radical group that exist in the world are the problem, that includes, muslim, christians and jews.

All this coming from someone posting "documentary video evidence" as to why and how the towers fell. :roll:
 

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I think that pic says about 90% of it.

On the other hand the president of Iran is a nut case. I would not trust him with the bomb for sure.

But I also don't trust Bush *shrugs*
 

cyberclark

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I think its neat how we can sit over on our side of the world and show our piety when we critique civilizations that are over 2000 years old. We are quick to overlook there is a common thread that transends borders in both culture and religion,

We have barely broken a hundred years!

Their cultures are so very different although right wing to extreme they have a culture that puts their young people into community service on a broad scale. This intergration between the have and the have nots gives them strenght.

In villiages of 4000 people the whole town turns out for a wedding or a funeral! Babies are celebrated by the whole community!

Yes the have politcal adventures but when the politcal system does not consider or chooses to ignore their basic culture, all hell is going to break loose. We will have a chance at that aspect one day in Canada if the country becomes polarized.

It is their truth and as such I can't pretend to condem one side or the other. It is after all, their truth!

Certainly I sit back in my confort and think in idleness "That's not right; there must be another way!"
 

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In Aug. 2005, The Washington Post said:

Iran Is Judged 10 Years From Nuclear Bomb
U.S. Intelligence Review Contrasts With Administration Statements

A major U.S. intelligence review has projected that Iran is about a decade away from manufacturing the key ingredient for a nuclear weapon, roughly doubling the previous estimate of five years, according to government sources with firsthand knowledge of the new analysis.

Looks like Iran has "nuclear capability" the way Saddam had WMD:

The role of AIPAC, the Conference and other pro-Israeli organizations as transmission belts for Israel's war plans was evident in their November 28, 2005 condemnation of the Bush Administration agreement to give Russia a chance to negotiate a plan under which Iran would be allowed to enrich uranium for non-military purposes under international supervision. AIPAC's rejection of negotiations and demands for an immediate confrontation were based on the specious argument that it would "facilitate Iran's quest for nuclear weapons" ­ an argument which flies in the face of all known intelligence data (including Israel's) which says Iran is at least 3 to 10 years away from even approaching nuclear weaponry.

Pushing the US into a confrontation with Iran, via economic sanctions and military attack has been a top priority for Israel and its supporters in the US for more than a decade (Jewish Times/ Jewish Telegraph Agency, Dec. 6, 2005). In line with its policy of forcing a US confrontation with Iran, AIPAC, the Israeli PACs (political action committees) and the Conference of Presidents have successfully lined up a majority of Congress people to challenge what they describe as the "appeasement" of Iran.

The Israeli Defense Forces Chief of Staff, Daniel Halutz, has categorically denied that Iran represents an immediate nuclear threat to Israel, let along the United States. According to Haaretz (12/14/05), Halutz stated that it would take Iran time to be able to produce a nuclear bomb ­ which he estimated might happen between 2008 and 2015.

But of course, like Iraq, this isn't about safety or the truth or anything like that, it's about geopolitical power and control in the Middle East.

And the American (and a lot of the Canadian) public and media will forget the immortal words of the Chimp-in Chief:
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

How long will it be before we're "spreading democracy" in Iran, rather than "defusing Iran's 'nucular' weapons capability"?
 

cyberclark

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Colonialisim pure and simple.
The US has been on that track for ever, following a pattern set down by the Brits and , its not working!

Harper has property identified the Arctic as being a front for a fight. He's going to have to fight like hell to hang onto it and, he will get my full support.
 

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Colpy said:
It is common knowledge that Islamic Jihad and Hamas are backed by Iran. It is not speculation. So Iran does attack by proxy.

And the President said the idea of elimination of the "occupying regime" was a wise idea.

Now, maybe you read the English language differently than I do, but that seems pretty clear to me.

I may be wrong, but I get the feeling you would be celebrating the day a mushroom cloud appeared over Tel Aviv.


Well i would certainly have a big problem, since my girlfriend was born in israel, and more importantly a jew, she is the one to blame on this issue, she is the one who educated me on this one.


It is not the truth that hamas are backed by iran, this is only speculations .
 

aeon

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Just for you Colpy.

http://www.asiantribune.com/show_news.php?id=6750


Date : 2003-09-18
NY Times: Saudi donations make up half of Hamas budget
By Yaakov Katz

US and Israeli officials estimate that at least 50 percent of Hamas's current operating budget of about $10 million comes from people in Saudi Arabia, the New York Times reported Wednesday (Sept. 17).

The Jerusalem Post cited senior intelligence sources a month ago saying that Saudi Arabia is striving to make the peace process fail and finances close to 60 percent of the annual Hamas budget.





You see this article is dated from 2003, and have you heard from the bush administration about saudi arabia supporting them?? nope, and is there anyone who will do something about it?? nope, why is that??
 

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But aeon, the Saudis are AMERICAN allies, and more particularly, pals of the Bush clan. Better to bomb people we don't like, than the people who are responsible, right? After all, it seems to be working so far. :roll:
 

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pastafarian said:
But aeon, the Saudis are AMERICAN allies, and more particularly, pals of the Bush clan. Better to bomb people we don't like, than the people who are responsible, right? After all, it seems to be working so far. :roll:


Exactly, that is why i don t believe in their supposed war on terror.
 

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I think not said:
All this coming from someone posting "documentary video evidence" as to why and how the towers fell. :roll:


and your point is??
 

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I think not said:
aeon said:
I think not said:
All this coming from someone posting "documentary video evidence" as to why and how the towers fell. :roll:

and your point is??

My point is people believe what they want to believe.



Well there is 2 kind of peoples, those who believed what they are being told by mass media and governement, and those who try to dig for the truth from another aspect, there is nothing wrong of trying to know more about a subject, especially when things doesnt make sense, everything what the us gov told to the american on jfk murder, is ridicoulus, only stupid people can believe their story, there is plenty of evidence that there was a conspiracy behind jfk murder, at what level?? i really don tknow, but one thing we know for sure, is they are at large and very powerful in any sense.

But 9-11 is the best of all, there is absotly no evidence at all , that oussama bin laden and his group was behind the tragedy .When we know for a fact that the bush administration, distorted and covered up the event in all aspects, u know more money was allocated in monica lewinsky blow job affair than 9-11, it is quite representatives, in other word, it is more important to know how good the blow job was than what has killed 3000 americans.
 

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aeon said:
Well there is 2 kind of peoples, those who believed what they are being told by mass media and governement, and those who try to dig for the truth from another aspect, there is nothing wrong of trying to know more about a subject, especially when things doesnt make sense, everything what the us gov told to the american on jfk murder, is ridicoulus, only stupid people can believe their story, there is plenty of evidence that there was a conspiracy behind jfk murder, at what level?? i really don tknow, but one thing we know for sure, is they are at large and very powerful in any sense.

But 9-11 is the best of all, there is absotly no evidence at all , that oussama bin laden and his group was behind the tragedy .When we know for a fact that the bush administration, distorted and covered up the event in all aspects, u know more money was allocated in monica lewinsky blow job affair than 9-11, it is quite representatives, in other word, it is more important to know how good the blow job was than what has killed 3000 americans.

People believe what they want to believe, and I believe you're certifiable.
 

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People and weird beliefs.

I read "Why People Believe Wierd Things" by Michael Shermer. I recall he had a good section about conspiracy theorists. Those people who will despite overwhelming evidence continually latch onto the most trivial inconsistency as proof to the contrary. It is really hard to get a handle on the thinking of these people. I remember Shermers example involved Holocaust Deniers. He work through the litany of proof and the bizarre series of rationalizations the deniers come up with to maintain their belief system. Bizzare stuff how some people will contort their minds to believe unreality.

I wish I could remember more, but I think it is worth a read if you can borrow it.

OBL admitted his involvment in 911 on tape broadcast to the world.

Face reality.
 

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Re: RE: Israel prepares to la

aeon said:
I think not said:
aeon said:
I think not said:
All this coming from someone posting "documentary video evidence" as to why and how the towers fell. :roll:

and your point is??

My point is people believe what they want to believe.



Well there is 2 kind of peoples, those who believed what they are being told by mass media and governement, and those who try to dig for the truth from another aspect, there is nothing wrong of trying to know more about a subject, especially when things doesnt make sense, everything what the us gov told to the american on jfk murder, is ridicoulus, only stupid people can believe their story, there is plenty of evidence that there was a conspiracy behind jfk murder, at what level?? i really don tknow, but one thing we know for sure, is they are at large and very powerful in any sense.

But 9-11 is the best of all, there is absotly no evidence at all , that oussama bin laden and his group was behind the tragedy .When we know for a fact that the bush administration, distorted and covered up the event in all aspects, u know more money was allocated in monica lewinsky blow job affair than 9-11, it is quite representatives, in other word, it is more important to know how good the blow job was than what has killed 3000 americans.

He claimed responsibility for the attacks. What more do you want?


And aeon, you can say what you want about not listening to the Mass Media, but the info you spill out daily sounds like something off a Michael Moore fanclub fanfic webpage. You shouldn't listen to everything Anderson Cooper tells you, no. But similarly you shouldn't listen to everything told to you by shut-ins on the internet.
 

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U.N. Says Iran Holds Illicit Nuke Document

VIENNA, Austria - A document obtained by Iran on the nuclear black market serves no other purpose than to make an atomic bomb, the International Atomic Energy Agency said Tuesday.

The finding was made in a report prepared for presentation to the 35-nation IAEA board when it meets, starting Thursday, on whether to refer Iran to the U.N. Security Council, which has the power to impose economic and political sanctions on Iran.

The report was made available in full to The Associated Press.

First mention of the documents was made late last year in a longer IAEA report. At that time, the agency said only that the papers showed how to cast "enriched, natural and depleted uranium metal into hemispherical forms."

The agency refused to make a judgment on what possible uses such casts would have. But diplomats familiar with the probe into Iran's nuclear program said then that the papers apparently were instructions on how to mold highly enriched grade uranium into the core of warheads.

In the brief report obtained Tuesday, however, the agency said bluntly that the 15-page document showing how to cast fissile uranium into metal was "related to the fabrication of nuclear weapon components."

Asked about the finding, a senior diplomat close to the IAEA declined to elaborate but emphasized that the documents had no other use.

The report said the document was under agency seal, meaning that IAEA experts were able in theory to re-examine it, but "Iran has declined a request to provide the agency with a copy."

Diplomats familiar with the IAEA investigation of Iran said earlier Tuesday that part of the document recently was given to the agency in an effort to deflect building international momentum to report Iran to the Security Council. But the report did not mention Tehran handing over any papers.

The document was given to Iran by members of the nuclear black market network, the IAEA said. Iran has claimed it did not ask for the document but was given it anyway as part of other black market purchases.

The same network provided Libya with drawings of a crude nuclear bomb which that country handed over to the IAEA as part of its 2003 decision to scrap its atomic weapons program.

Separately, U.S. intelligence — revealed last year, based on information found on a laptop computer reportedly smuggled out of Iran — suggested that Tehran's scientists were working on details of nuclear weapons, including missile trajectories and ideal altitudes for exploding warheads.

The diplomats said the United States recently declassified the information and passed it on to the IAEA, which, in turn, forwarded it to Iran and asked for an explanation. Washington's cooperation with the agency was part of its attempt to prove that Iran was interested in making weapons, said one of the diplomats who is familiar with the IAEA investigation.

The developments were revealed just hours after a surprising agreement by the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council to advise that Iran be hauled before the powerful body over its disputed nuclear program.

The group agreed that the IAEA "should report to the Security Council its decision on the steps required of Iran, and should also report to the Security Council all IAEA reports and resolutions as adopted relating to this issue."

China and Russia, longtime allies and trading partners of Iran, agreed to a statement that calls on the IAEA to transfer the Iran dossier to the Security Council — the start of a protracted process that could end in sanctions for Tehran.

The IAEA's 35-nation board meets in Vienna on Thursday. Diplomats accredited to the agency said that with opinion leaders Russia and China on board, most — maybe all — of the board nations would likely approve Security Council involvement. Past referral attempts had run into stiff opposition from some influential board members.

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aeon

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Doryman said:
He claimed responsibility for the attacks. What more do you want?


And aeon, you can say what you want about not listening to the Mass Media, but the info you spill out daily sounds like something off a Michael Moore fanclub fanfic webpage. You shouldn't listen to everything Anderson Cooper tells you, no. But similarly you shouldn't listen to everything told to you by shut-ins on the internet.


I don t listen to anyone, i collect the most information i can get and then i make my own opinion, and no, oussama bin laden never claimed responsibility of the attacks, in fact on september 28th 2001 he said the opposite.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oussama_bin_Laden

"I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle.... The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself.... intelligence agencies in the U.S.,"
 

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You don't have to believe it, just sit back and enjoy the ride.



How can you enjoy a ride where us military are killing innoncent people for their fake war??