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The worm, the sparrow, celestial objects and everything celebrate the praises of God Most Gracious.
Is there proof of life after death
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Lucifer cannot overcome God
This World is not controlled by Lucifer (or Beelzebub); this World and the next world (the afterlife) is controlled by God Almighty alone; to Him is the sovereignty and the possession and the ownership and the kingdom and the authority altogether.
God – be glorified – said in the Quran 28: 70
وَهُوَ اللَّهُ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا هُوَ لَهُ الْحَمْدُ فِي الْأُولَى وَالْآخِرَةِ وَلَهُ الْحُكْمُ وَإِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَ
The explanation:
(And He is God: there is no god [in the universe] but He.
To Him the praise is due: in the first [material life] and in the last [spiritual life.]
To Him the judgment is due,
and to Him shall you [all] be brought back [after your death.] )
All the creation, including Lucifer (or Beelzebub), are servants of God; but Lucifer rebelled against God (like the large number of disbelievers and rebels); God only gave him respite till the Judgment Day, in recompense of his past servitude to God.
Satan [or Ibliess or Beelzebub]
He was thrown down to earth, and driven out of Paradise, following his disobeying God's command; then he beg God to give him respite, and God gave him respite, in recompense of his righteous work in the past, prior to his rebellion. None may escape from God's hand; He gave him respite, just as does He give respite to many sinners.
eanassir
http://man-after-death.site.io
(And He is God: there is no god [in the universe] but He.
To Him the praise is due: in the first [material life] and in the last [spiritual life.]
To Him the judgment is due,
and to Him shall you [all] be brought back [after your death.] )
All the creation, including Lucifer (or Beelzebub), are servants of God; but Lucifer rebelled against God (like the large number of disbelievers and rebels); God only gave him respite till the Judgment Day, in recompense of his past servitude to God.
Satan [or Ibliess or Beelzebub]
He was thrown down to earth, and driven out of Paradise, following his disobeying God's command; then he beg God to give him respite, and God gave him respite, in recompense of his righteous work in the past, prior to his rebellion. None may escape from God's hand; He gave him respite, just as does He give respite to many sinners.
eanassir
http://man-after-death.site.io
Lucifer or Satan was not given dominion on earth; His dominion is only on his followers and servants, who choose to serve him rather than serving God their Creator. He has not any control or dominion on believers who put their trust in their Lord.
This is in the Quran 16: 98-100
This is in the Quran 16: 98-100
فَإِذَا قَرَأْتَ الْقُرْآنَ فَاسْتَعِذْ بِاللّهِ مِنَ الشَّيْطَانِ الرَّجِيمِ . إِنَّهُ لَيْسَ لَهُ سُلْطَانٌ عَلَى الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ وَعَلَى رَبِّهِمْ يَتَوَكَّلُونَ . إِنَّمَا سُلْطَانُهُ عَلَى الَّذِينَ يَتَوَلَّوْنَهُ وَالَّذِينَ هُم بِهِ مُشْرِكُونَ
The explanation:
(When you [Mohammed] recite the Quran, seek refuge in God from Satan, the outcast.
No power has he over those who believe and put their trust in their Lord.
His power is only on those who follow him and those who are associaters because of him.)
Therefore, he suggests to them, and the one that follows his suggestions; on this one Lucifer (or Beelzebub or Satan or Iblies) has dominion and control; and he will have authority on such follower and will have complete control of him.
Satan [or Ibliess or Beelzebub]
The story:
Lucifer was in heaven or Paradise, and was one of the righteous servants of God; he served God for thousands of years; but then he had some pride and self-conceit; he saw himself with certain rank among angels, and he had some pride over other angels.
In case God drove him out of Paradise, then he would say: what I have done so that You drive me out of Paradise. Therefore, God created Adam out of putrid black organic substance with some little water, and ordered all the angels including Lucifer to prostrate themselves before Adam;
Lucifer could not prostrate himself because of his pride, while all the angels prostrated themselves before Adam; (he said: how can I prostrate myself to a human being that you created out of putrid black organic substance, when my origin is better than his origin: You created me out of fire; moreover, I have worshipped you for thousands of years, and this one has not yet worshipped You.)
And by this disobedience and his insisting on the disobedience ( he did not ask God forgiveness and did not repent, but went on with his arrogance) so he was driven out of Paradise, and he asked God to give him respite and not to punish him immediately, and God gave him the respite, and he became the enemy of Adam and his progeny.
eanassir
http://man-after-death.site.io
(When you [Mohammed] recite the Quran, seek refuge in God from Satan, the outcast.
No power has he over those who believe and put their trust in their Lord.
His power is only on those who follow him and those who are associaters because of him.)
Therefore, he suggests to them, and the one that follows his suggestions; on this one Lucifer (or Beelzebub or Satan or Iblies) has dominion and control; and he will have authority on such follower and will have complete control of him.
Satan [or Ibliess or Beelzebub]
The story:
Lucifer was in heaven or Paradise, and was one of the righteous servants of God; he served God for thousands of years; but then he had some pride and self-conceit; he saw himself with certain rank among angels, and he had some pride over other angels.
In case God drove him out of Paradise, then he would say: what I have done so that You drive me out of Paradise. Therefore, God created Adam out of putrid black organic substance with some little water, and ordered all the angels including Lucifer to prostrate themselves before Adam;
Lucifer could not prostrate himself because of his pride, while all the angels prostrated themselves before Adam; (he said: how can I prostrate myself to a human being that you created out of putrid black organic substance, when my origin is better than his origin: You created me out of fire; moreover, I have worshipped you for thousands of years, and this one has not yet worshipped You.)
And by this disobedience and his insisting on the disobedience ( he did not ask God forgiveness and did not repent, but went on with his arrogance) so he was driven out of Paradise, and he asked God to give him respite and not to punish him immediately, and God gave him the respite, and he became the enemy of Adam and his progeny.
eanassir
http://man-after-death.site.io
All due respect to your religious beliefs eanassir, but i feel you are not showing the same courtesy to me and my christian beliefs which tell us this is so.
Luke 4
The Temptation of Jesus
1Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the desert, 2where for forty days he was tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry.
3The devil said to him, "If you are the Son of God, tell this stone to become bread."
4Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone.'[a]"
5The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 6And he said to him, "I will give you all their authority and splendor, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. 7So if you worship me, it will all be yours." 8Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only
Matthew 4
The Temptation of Jesus
1Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil. 2After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3The tempter came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread."
4Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'[a]"
5Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6"If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written:
" 'He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.'[b]"
7Jesus answered him, "It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'[c]"
8Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9"All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me." 10Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only
this is what our holy book says
I have read this in the Holy Gospel: the trial and temptation of Jesus by Satan.
This temptation and trial is for every apostle: at the start of his mission when he is tasked with his duty; i.e. when the apostlehood is imposed on him and he is selected by God for this work.
This is in the Quran 22: 52
This temptation and trial is for every apostle: at the start of his mission when he is tasked with his duty; i.e. when the apostlehood is imposed on him and he is selected by God for this work.
This is in the Quran 22: 52
وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِن قَبْلِكَ مِن رَّسُولٍ وَلَا نَبِيٍّ إِلَّا إِذَا تَمَنَّى أَلْقَى الشَّيْطَانُ فِي أُمْنِيَّتِهِ فَيَنسَخُ اللَّهُ مَا يُلْقِي الشَّيْطَانُ ثُمَّ يُحْكِمُ اللَّهُ آيَاتِهِ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ
The explanation:
(Never did We send any apostle or prophet before you [Mohammed] unless he wished [to be a messenger],
the Devil proposed [difficulties that would face] his desired [mission],
but God would abolish what the Devil would propose then God would establish His signs,
and God is All-Knowing, Most Wise.)
But Satan usually gives false promises and stir in them false wishes and desires; he may even swear to them falsely, as did he swear to Adam and Eve that the forbidden tree was very good to eat of its fruit.
This is in the Quran 4: 120
(Never did We send any apostle or prophet before you [Mohammed] unless he wished [to be a messenger],
the Devil proposed [difficulties that would face] his desired [mission],
but God would abolish what the Devil would propose then God would establish His signs,
and God is All-Knowing, Most Wise.)
But Satan usually gives false promises and stir in them false wishes and desires; he may even swear to them falsely, as did he swear to Adam and Eve that the forbidden tree was very good to eat of its fruit.
This is in the Quran 4: 120
يَعِدُهُمْ وَيُمَنِّيهِمْ وَمَا يَعِدُهُمُ الشَّيْطَانُ إِلاَّ غُرُورًا
The explanation:
([Satan] promises them, and fills them with vain fancies; but there is nothing Satan promises them except delusion.)
So Satan said he will give him the kingdoms of the earth; but Jesus knew this was not true; because all that is by the hand of God: He gives the sovereignty to whomever He pleases and He takes it from whomsoever He wills.
Satan promises them and let them have false wishes and desires, and many people think that by following the suggestion of Satan, they will prosper; and that if they expend of their wealth on the poor and needy for the sake of God alone – Satan let them imagine that they will be impoverished; while God promises them that He will enrich them when they expend the alms for the sake of God alone.
At last Satan will quit himself of them:
This is in the Quran 14: 22
([Satan] promises them, and fills them with vain fancies; but there is nothing Satan promises them except delusion.)
So Satan said he will give him the kingdoms of the earth; but Jesus knew this was not true; because all that is by the hand of God: He gives the sovereignty to whomever He pleases and He takes it from whomsoever He wills.
Satan promises them and let them have false wishes and desires, and many people think that by following the suggestion of Satan, they will prosper; and that if they expend of their wealth on the poor and needy for the sake of God alone – Satan let them imagine that they will be impoverished; while God promises them that He will enrich them when they expend the alms for the sake of God alone.
At last Satan will quit himself of them:
This is in the Quran 14: 22
وَقَالَ الشَّيْطَانُ لَمَّا قُضِيَ الأَمْرُ إِنَّ اللّهَ وَعَدَكُمْ وَعْدَ الْحَقِّ وَوَعَدتُّكُمْ فَأَخْلَفْتُكُمْ وَمَا كَانَ لِيَ عَلَيْكُم مِّن سُلْطَانٍ إِلاَّ أَن دَعَوْتُكُمْ فَاسْتَجَبْتُمْ لِي ..الخ
The explanation:
(And Satan [will] say when the matter [will] have been over:
"God [surely] promised you a promise of truth, but I promised you then I deviated you [from the truth];
even I had no authority over you but that I invited you and you responded to me;
so don't blame me but blame yourselves;
[for] I cannot save you nor can you save me;
I deny your former act of associating me [with God];
there awaits wrong-doers a painful torment.)
eanassir
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com
http://man-after-death.site.io
(And Satan [will] say when the matter [will] have been over:
"God [surely] promised you a promise of truth, but I promised you then I deviated you [from the truth];
even I had no authority over you but that I invited you and you responded to me;
so don't blame me but blame yourselves;
[for] I cannot save you nor can you save me;
I deny your former act of associating me [with God];
there awaits wrong-doers a painful torment.)
eanassir
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com
http://man-after-death.site.io
And in our book it says that dominion of the earth was given to Satan OK, regardless of what your book says, this is what we have been taught, and you have been taught differently by your book, so unless were going to get into a my book, your book debate, take it from me this is what we believe regardless, and you believe differently to that . I can except what your saying but you don't seem to be able to except others would see things differently ..:smile:
In the Gospel, it is not mentioned that the dominion of the earth was given to Satan; but Satan said to Jesus: I shall give you the kingdoms of the earth if you prostrate or bow yourself to me, and that Jesus refused.
As I said Satan lies to people; he says to them do as such and you will be better; but his words are not true.
yep i agree Satan cant be trusted , i was trying to look it up but it says somewhere." when Satan was thrown down from heaven he was given dominion over the earth" for a limited time period , thus he was able to offer Jesus the kingdoms of the earth. thats all :lol:
Revelation 12
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
John 12:31 "Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.
Revelation 13:14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which it was given him to perform in the presence of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who had the wound of the sword and has come to life.
Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; Revelation 20:3 and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
the great. 3,7 Lu 10:18 Joh 12:31
that. 14,15 20:2 Ge 3:1,4,13 Isa 27:1 65:25
the Devil. 9:20 16:14 18:2 Mt 4:1,5,8 13:39 Lu 8:12 Joh 8:44 1Ti 3:6,7 Heb 2:14 1Jo 3:8-10 Jude 1:9
and Satan. 2:9,13,24 3:9 1Ch 21:1 Job 1:6-12 2:1 Ps 109:6 Zec 3:1,2 Mt 4:10 Lu 13:16 22:3,31 Ac 5:3 26:18 Ro 16:20 2Co 2:11 11:14 2Co 12:7 2Th 2:9
deceiveth. 13:14 18:23 19:20 20:3,8,10 Mt 24:24 Ro 16:18 2Co 11:3 Eph 4:14 2Th 2:3,9-11 1Ti 2:14 2Ti 3:13 1Jo 5:19
he was. 9:1 Eze 28:16 Lu 10:18 Joh 12:31 into. Job 1:7 2:2 Isa 14:12 65:25 Joh 14:30 16:11 2Co 4:4 1Pe 5:8
Revelation 20:8 and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.
Revelation 13:14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which it was given him to perform in the presence of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who had the wound of the sword and has come to life.
Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; Revelation 20:3 and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
the great. 3,7 Lu 10:18 Joh 12:31
that. 14,15 20:2 Ge 3:1,4,13 Isa 27:1 65:25
the Devil. 9:20 16:14 18:2 Mt 4:1,5,8 13:39 Lu 8:12 Joh 8:44 1Ti 3:6,7 Heb 2:14 1Jo 3:8-10 Jude 1:9
and Satan. 2:9,13,24 3:9 1Ch 21:1 Job 1:6-12 2:1 Ps 109:6 Zec 3:1,2 Mt 4:10 Lu 13:16 22:3,31 Ac 5:3 26:18 Ro 16:20 2Co 2:11 11:14 2Co 12:7 2Th 2:9
deceiveth. 13:14 18:23 19:20 20:3,8,10 Mt 24:24 Ro 16:18 2Co 11:3 Eph 4:14 2Th 2:3,9-11 1Ti 2:14 2Ti 3:13 1Jo 5:19
he was. 9:1 Eze 28:16 Lu 10:18 Joh 12:31 into. Job 1:7 2:2 Isa 14:12 65:25 Joh 14:30 16:11 2Co 4:4 1Pe 5:8
Revelation 20:8 and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.
sermon after sermon on this thread, I thought this was an opinion forum,
quotes after quotes, cut and paste, cut and paste, I'm outa here, nice
to chat with you, have a good one.
quotes after quotes, cut and paste, cut and paste, I'm outa here, nice
to chat with you, have a good one.
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I too have made search in the Bible but could not find such a thing; which indicates that it is only a general idea or impression. There is nothing exactly that Satan has the dominion on Earth, but they interpret many words according to this idea or impression.
These points are important:
These points are important:
- Satan has influence, but not absolute authority and power.
- The affliction that befalls man because of his designs can only occur with God's leave; if God permits such evil of the Devil may afflict man, but if not nothing can hurt man: See the story of Job, and how Satan envied him and beg God to give him some permission to hurt him.
- Satan has only control over the one that listens to his suggestions and follow his instigation. If man ask God's protection from the design of Satan and refuses his ways, he may be protected and be saved from his wickedness.
- Satan has his influence on particular on the one that forgets to mention God with glorification; and he will lead him to be ungrateful and to associate some other beings with God, so that such man may then lose.
- Satan lies to people and give them false promises, wishes and illusions: like this simple example: Satan and his devils suggest to man that smoking cigarettes will make him in better condition and confer on him some good personality among people, when this is only some illusion; because Satan knows that this act indicates foolishness and will cause to man much harm, but if man refuses then Satan and his devils cannot oblige him to smoke; this is only an example.
...and the answer to the question posed in the thread title is still no. We've had anecdotes, wishful thinking, arguments from authority and other logical fallacies, but nothing that would constitute proof.
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We all are shocked when we are told that someday we will die.
My parents conveyed this to me.
Death is a part of life.
Your thought is appreciated.
........now I must finish my book.
We all are shocked when we are told that someday we will die.
My parents conveyed this to me.
Death is a part of life.
Your thought is appreciated.
........now I must finish my book.
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What proof do you want to the existence of the spiritual world of souls?
Taking into consideration, that God concealed such world from our sights, like that He concealed the existence of the bacteria on our skins and in our bowels which will be troublesome to us if we see all that with our eyes.
So it is some wisdom that He concealed such world of souls from our sight; see that most people are afraid from the awareness of such a world.
E.g. when your child asked you about such souls, what did you and I answer him: "There is nothing here my boy, don't be afraid!"
See that none has responded to my reply on page 2: July 11th, 2008, 01:29 AM which I followed by a complement on page 4:July 16th, 2008, 05:01 PM.
Moreover, the link, that quandary121 gave, is valuable http://www.ghostresearch.org/ghostpics/
eanassir
http://man-after-death.site.io
Taking into consideration, that God concealed such world from our sights, like that He concealed the existence of the bacteria on our skins and in our bowels which will be troublesome to us if we see all that with our eyes.
So it is some wisdom that He concealed such world of souls from our sight; see that most people are afraid from the awareness of such a world.
E.g. when your child asked you about such souls, what did you and I answer him: "There is nothing here my boy, don't be afraid!"
See that none has responded to my reply on page 2: July 11th, 2008, 01:29 AM which I followed by a complement on page 4:July 16th, 2008, 05:01 PM.
Moreover, the link, that quandary121 gave, is valuable http://www.ghostresearch.org/ghostpics/
eanassir
http://man-after-death.site.io