Is Obama the worst president ever?

[JLM]

I think the main point that a lot of people are missing is the fact that the fluctuation in the job market had very little to do with either president. "Make work" jobs are Okay for a short term fix but eventually they take their toll too.

 

[Icarus27k]

PolitiFact.com's Obameter is a US national treasure. It tracks about 500 promised that Obama made when he was a presidential candidate. So far, 110 promises have been kept and 19 have been broken.

PolitiFact | The Obameter: Tracking Barack Obama's Campaign Promises

Obama's an okay president. Like any president, he's going to be bad in some way, but by presidental standards, Obama's good.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

You might want to pick up a recent newspaper; they're currently the natural opposition party.

They were also in opposition during eight Mulroney years, so what is your point? And natural opposition party? Surely you don't mean that. Don't you wish that NDP was the opposition party, that Conservatives stayed in power perpetually, like they do in Alberta? That is how many Albertans feel. After all, what is good for Alberta is good for Canada.

So surely you want Liberal Party to disappear, NDP to be the opposition party and Conservative to stay in power perpetually? Can there be any other definition of paradise?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Sometimes, Obama and the Democrats get criticized (rightfully so) for delaying in taking action to prevent another future recession. Like, passing banking reform to address the causes of the recession. But I still feel one step at a time.

Immediate economic stabilization was more important when Obama got into office. It's like treating a patient in an ER. Stabilize the patient first, and worry about his ethical failings that led him to have the medical emergency later.

It is not entirely up to Democrats. There is the Republican filibuster. Republicans are filibustering everything, including Wall Street reform. Personally, I will be surprised if Wall street refrom gets passed. Democrats have a ready made issue to take to the people in November, by painting Republicans as being in the pocket of Wall Street.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

PolitiFact.com's Obameter is a US national treasure. It tracks about 500 promised that Obama made when he was a presidential candidate. So far, 110 promises have been kept and 19 have been broken.

PolitiFact | The Obameter: Tracking Barack Obama's Campaign Promises

Obama's an okay president. Like any president, he's going to be bad in some way, but by presidental standards, Obama's good.

If that is correct, that is astounding indeed. if he has already kept 100 promises that probably is more than most presidents have kept. But I hardly think that his reelection depends upon how many promises he keeps. His reelection will depend upon one thing and one thig only, how the economy is doing in 2012. If the current indications are any guid, teh economy should be doing splendidly in 2012.

 

[Slim Chance]

They were also in opposition during eight Mulroney years, so what is your point? And natural opposition party? Surely you don't mean that.

You are correct.... The liberals have spent a great deal of time as the opposition.

After all, what is good for Alberta is good for Canada.

It would certainly seem that way considering the billions upon billions that AB has contributed into equalization.

I guess that you are right!

So surely you want Liberal Party to disappear

... And lose my daily fix of comic relief in Dion, Ignatief and the rest of the Keystone Kops? ... Hell no!

 

[JLM]

Alberta = Have Province ergo Conservative = Wealth.

 

[Kreskin]

It's all partisan baloney. If you're on the right Obama could walk and water and be criticized for his poor swimming. Same goes the other way. Don't you guys get sick of backing one side over any issue that has any result?

 

[Slim Chance]

Don't you guys get sick of backing one side over any issue that has any result?

It's fun to jab the conservative stick at Porter...

 

[JLM]

It's all partisan baloney. If you're on the right Obama could walk and water and be criticized for his poor swimming. Same goes the other way. Don't you guys get sick of backing one side over any issue that has any result?

I just like to p*ss people off who think they know everything..................:lol::lol:

Of course it's all partisan baloney, I've been driving that home for years. :smile::smile:

 

[gopher]

"Quite so, there has been a steady improvement in the job situation since Obama took office. In the beginning, of course nobody thought anything of it. After all, if you have only 400, 000 job losses rather than 500,000, that is hardly anything to boast about, is it? But the job picture kept on improving slowly and by now there is jobs growth."


True. But according to Republicans, any success on the part of the Obama agenda is a "failure" as far as they are concerned.

 

[ironsides]

There is one thing in your response that I would change (relative to Canada at least):

"Liberals don't understand that it is up to the cities, towns and states to be prepared for emergencies."

Generally, those people that piss and moan about the inaction of the federal government on state/prov/muni issues are those that expect (albeit, need) some form of government to tuck them in at night, wake them up in the morning - and everything in between.

... The liberal mentality is kinda humorous at first, but gets really sickening after a while.

How do they survive in this life? There is no challenge to be a liberal in Canada.

 

[ironsides]

I cannot see how these rats mean anything but that things re getting worse.

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[Icarus27k]

Well again, you're using different figures. You're using state unemployment rates, while I'm using national monthly job losses/gains.

In some of the states you mentioned, I wouldn't be surprised to see monthly job gains, but a rise in the unemployment rate at the same time, which is possible. The figures can contradict each other sometimes because they're measuring two slightly different things.

 

[Kreskin]

Is it still a surprise to anyone that the last couple of years haven't been good, and do they think anything would've made those numbers better? Let me know what would've saved the economy, I need a good laugh.

 

[Icarus27k]

I think if Lehman Bros. wasn't allowed to fail in September 2008, it might have prevented a lot of this.

 

[ironsides]

"Quite so, there has been a steady improvement in the job situation since Obama took office. In the beginning, of course nobody thought anything of it. After all, if you have only 400, 000 job losses rather than 500,000, that is hardly anything to boast about, is it? But the job picture kept on improving slowly and by now there is jobs growth."


True. But according to Republicans, any success on the part of the Obama agenda is a "failure" as far as they are concerned.

True. But according to Republicans, any success on the part of the Obama agenda is a "failure" as far as they are concerned. Ya got it.

 

[damngrumpy]

The problem for Obama is that the Republicans did so much damage to the economy. Had the Democrats not saved the banks and car companies there
would have been a depression. Most people don't understand the is a thing
out there, called derivatives, or leveraged funds, and that is really a form of
investment debt, that could not be covered by the world let alone America.
Out there is somewhere between 890 and 950 trillion dollars, if the system
were to collapse. The same problem hit the Japanese economy over twenty
years ago and to this day the Japanese economy has never fully recovered.

For those on the political right it is a lesson electing George Bush was like
putting Gilligan in charge of the Island. Obama is smart as compared to
what was there before him, and now he has to clean up the mess the
Republicans left behind.

 

[ironsides]

Mancow walks out of the Bill Maher show - slams Bill Maher's claim that there's a racial element to Obamacare opposition.


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[El Barto]

World War II vet's letter to Obama
Dear President Obama,

My name is Harold Estes, approaching 95 on December 13 of this year. People meeting me for the first time don't believe my age because I remain wrinkle free and pretty much mentally alert.



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• "We're no longer a Christian nation"

Money is your god now

• "America is arrogant" - (Your wife even announced to the world,"America is mean-spirited." Please tell her to try preaching that nonsense to 23 generations of our war dead buried all over the globe who died for no other reason than to free a whole lot of strangers from tyranny and hopelessness.)

As much of that is honorable and true there were alot more conflicts that could of freed alot of strangers that the U.S. could of gotten involved with..Rwanda, Bosnia-Yugoslavia area but the fact that they had no resources of interest they dragged thier feet till thousands died needlessly.



After 9/11 you said, "America hasn't lived up to her ideals."

Which ones did you mean? Was it the notion of personal libert that 11,000 farmers and shopkeepers died for to win independence from the British? Or maybe the ideal that no man should be a slave to another man, that 500,000 men died for in the Civil War? I hope you didn't mean the ideal 470,000 fathers, brothers, husbands, and a lot of fellas I knew personally died for in WWII, because we felt real strongly about not letting any nation push us around, because we stand for freedom.

Again , that was then this is now and America of old is not in the same mindset. Greed has taken over

I don't think you mean the ideal that says equality is better than discrimination. You know the one that a whole lot of white people understood when they helped to get you elected.

Take a little advice from a very old geezer, young man.

Shape up and start acting like an American. If you don't, I'll do what I can to see you get shipped out of that fancy rental on Pennsylvania Avenue . You were elected to lead not to bow, apologize and kiss the hands of murderers and corrupt leaders who still treat their people like slaves.

Many other Presidents have done worst and have never really came to light

And just who do you think you are telling the American people not to jump to conclusions and condemn that Muslim major who killed 13 of his fellow soldiers and wounded dozens more. You mean you don't want us to do what you did when that white cop used force to subdue that black college professor in Massachusetts, who was putting up a fight? You don't mind offending the police calling them stupid but you don't want us to offend Muslim fanatics by calling them what they are, terrorists.

This war on terrorism has no line in the sand that defines who's the real bad guy , like it used too during the worls war and cold war. Times have changed so is the way you look at your enemies.

One more thing. I realize you never served in the military and never had to defend your country with your life, but you're the Commander-in-Chief now, son. Do your job. When your battle-hardened field General asks you for 40,000 more troops to complete the mission, give them to him. But if you're not in this fight to win, then get out. The life of one American soldier is not worth the best political strategy you're thinking of.

Why is it that the mindset of having done service has to mean something? Many men have as good or greater values that never had served.

You could be our greatest president because you face the greatest challenge ever presented to any president.
You're not going to restore American greatness by bringing back our bloated economy. That's not our greatest threat. Losing the heart and soul of who we are as Americans is our big fight now.

Unfortunatly America has lost it soul long ago

And I sure as hell don't want to think my president is the enemy in this final battle ...

Sincerely,

Harold B. Estes

I know this is a letter of a man that will never read my comment but it was posted by a member here .