Is it time for an aboriginal parliament?

CDNBear

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Is it time for an aboriginal parliament?
No.
Pipe dream at this point.
Canada has managed to keep the on-reserve aboriginals living in filth and poverty worse than any third world nation.
Ya, I was surrounded by filth and poverty yesterday, at a multi million dollar facility.

It's sad that dumpster isn't he only meat head that can't figure out that not all reserves are the same.
If one parliament were created for all the different aboriginal tribes with one elected leader would this awful crisis go away or would it get worse?
Until the DAND starts tossing out the chaff and graft, a very bad idea, to maintain the status quo.
 

#juan

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I don't know about filth, but any poverty is the fault of the chiefs. ten or eleven thousand dollars per person, man,
woman and child, should be more than enough for the people to live pretty well. If there was an aboriginal
parliament, there would be less money for all because a parliament would cost money.....a lot of money.
 

CDNBear

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I don't know about filth, but any poverty is the fault of the chiefs. ten or eleven thousand dollars per person, man, woman and child, should be more than enough for the people to live pretty well.
I already proved that silly claim of yours to be false, a long time ago...

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/54234-afn-faq-s-dispelling-myths.html

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/54233-fiscal-imbalance.html

Don't like being called a bigot? Stop spreading lies.

If there was an aboriginal parliament, there would be less money for all because a parliament would cost money.....a lot of money.
True. I wonder what the AFN costs? I wonder why they aren't recognized by all First Nations as their Federal representation?
 

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All the reserves in our area are quite well off, some of course doing better than others. Filth is the responsibility of the individual residents and /or band council to clean up. It is NOT taxpayers problem.
 

#juan

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I already proved that silly claim of yours to be false, a long time ago...

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/54234-afn-faq-s-dispelling-myths.html

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/54233-fiscal-imbalance.html

Don't like being called a bigot? Stop spreading lies.

True. I wonder what the AFN costs? I wonder why they aren't recognized by all First Nations as their Federal representation?

It's fairly simple Bear. Divide the amount of money by the number of natives. I have never said that the tribes
get this money but that it is the amount of money spent by th DNIA. The last figure I found was between
eight and nine billion per year. Do your own math.
 

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Let me clarify fist of all, I have an adopted daughter who is native, but I still don't
think we need this.
As a society we have made some serious mistakes in the past. We had a Native
Affairs Department for years and like everything else it became more political
than service oriented. As it turned out some on the Reserve ended up with the
wealth and the majority ended up with nothing or next to it. There were of course
programs that benefited the few at the expense of many.
Self Management meant that some were paid huge sums to be in charge and the
rest well they didn't even know what was going on. It went from the Government
making decisions to a few privileged people making decisions, often in their own
interests rather than for the good of all.
Once again we tried an experiment where we attempted to mix societal people
with tribal people. We as the mainstream of Canadian Society think as a collective
society when formulating laws and rules of behavior. Tribal groups think only of
the benefits for their tribal members within the society, and they compete for power
with other tribal groups.
This is evident today, when looking at the mess we have allowing tribal groups to
immigrate to Canada. They do not assimilate into society and they want to enforce
their own laws and customs once they are here, instead of abiding by the laws of
the land, as crafted by a societal group, Called Canadians.
Instead of having an Aboriginal Parliament, native peoples should be seeking to get
elected in Provincial, Municipal and Federal Parliaments. In addition their local band
office elections, need more people with the view that the Native Communities should
reach out to join the mainstream of society, and lean toward adopting a societal
view of the world. By remaining Tribal in nature, they are in fact limiting their own
progress and advancement. If they were to join the mainstream of Canadian Society,
they would open up the world to new possibilities around them. They would be like the
rest of us Canadians, and not regarded as First Nation Peoples, that in and of itself
is a limitation label often self imposed on them.
Instead of isolating themselves even more why not join the mainstream of Canadian
Society and take their place along side the rest of us? This would put an end to their
self imposed isolation and help them to take a much more powerful role within
Canadian Society
 

CDNBear

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It's fairly simple Bear. Divide the amount of money by the number of natives.
That's your first mistake.

I have never said that the tribes get this money but that it is the amount of money spent by th DNIA.
Maybe not, but you imply that it is us that squanders it all.

The last figure I found was between eight and nine billion per year.
The first correct thing you've ever posted on the subject.

Do your own math.
I have, I even have supporting documentation. It's you that can't figure it out.
 

dumpthemonarchy

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Let me clarify fist of all, I have an adopted daughter who is native, but I still don't
think we need this.
As a society we have made some serious mistakes in the past. We had a Native
Affairs Department for years and like everything else it became more political
than service oriented. As it turned out some on the Reserve ended up with the
wealth and the majority ended up with nothing or next to it. There were of course
programs that benefited the few at the expense of many.
Self Management meant that some were paid huge sums to be in charge and the
rest well they didn't even know what was going on. It went from the Government
making decisions to a few privileged people making decisions, often in their own
interests rather than for the good of all.
Once again we tried an experiment where we attempted to mix societal people
with tribal people. We as the mainstream of Canadian Society think as a collective
society when formulating laws and rules of behavior. Tribal groups think only of
the benefits for their tribal members within the society, and they compete for power
with other tribal groups.
This is evident today, when looking at the mess we have allowing tribal groups to
immigrate to Canada. They do not assimilate into society and they want to enforce
their own laws and customs once they are here, instead of abiding by the laws of
the land, as crafted by a societal group, Called Canadians.
Instead of having an Aboriginal Parliament, native peoples should be seeking to get
elected in Provincial, Municipal and Federal Parliaments. In addition their local band
office elections, need more people with the view that the Native Communities should
reach out to join the mainstream of society, and lean toward adopting a societal
view of the world. By remaining Tribal in nature, they are in fact limiting their own
progress and advancement. If they were to join the mainstream of Canadian Society,
they would open up the world to new possibilities around them. They would be like the
rest of us Canadians, and not regarded as First Nation Peoples, that in and of itself
is a limitation label often self imposed on them.
Instead of isolating themselves even more why not join the mainstream of Canadian
Society and take their place along side the rest of us? This would put an end to their
self imposed isolation and help them to take a much more powerful role within
Canadian Society

Very correct, to wish to live in a tribe in Canada is limiting Now immigrants want what aboriginals have, and being Canada they have supporters to push their undemocratic, traditional, anti-progressive backward agenda. Special arrangements that the majority of Canadians have no clue or care of and simply resent because we don't want them for ourselves.

This new parliament means more lawyers so it would mean more of the same, that is money that is not productively spent. Do people who have inadequate water really need more laws? They need technocratic solutions, not a pricey talk shop.
 

CDNBear

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Very correct, to wish to live in a tribe in Canada is limiting Now immigrants want what aboriginals have, and being Canada they have supporters to push their undemocratic, traditional, anti-progressive backward agenda. Special arrangements that the majority of Canadians have no clue or care of and simply resent because we don't want them for ourselves.
Well you were right on one account...

You have no clue.

This new parliament means more lawyers so it would mean more of the same, that is money that is not productively spent. Do people who have inadequate water really need more laws? They need technocratic solutions, not a pricey talk shop.
I actually agree. But YOU also need an education.
 

dumpthemonarchy

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It's fairly simple Bear. Divide the amount of money by the number of natives. I have never said that the tribes
get this money but that it is the amount of money spent by th DNIA. The last figure I found was between
eight and nine billion per year. Do your own math.

Give the money to individuals, not the tribes to distribute. But that can't be done at present due to constitional arrangements because the govt of Canada is a corporation and so are the tribes, and corporations deal with each other, not individual human persons. As a result of this archaic situation, progress will be slow for decades unless there is radical change, and most politicians don't bother because they lack political support to do anything substantial.

Indian leaders just have to say "residential schools" and the pols run away. The policy is hands off and just ignore things as much as possible. They're aren't that many aboriginals, they don't vote much, and they generally lack clout. The risk is high, the payoff low.
 

dumpthemonarchy

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There's nothing in the Constitution-that is with a capital C, written down as in the Charter, that states Canada must have a dept of Indian affairs. Practice and convention have created it, so it is not forever. The dept can fall into disuse due to lack of support from the general population like other practices and conventions have over time.

Countries have parliaments and they're not necessarily democratic. There are many aborignals who want on the ground technocratic solutions involving better water and housing for example. And if that means less politics, I think many could live with it, much like ordinary Canadans. Politics generally facilitates our lives, bur for aboriginals it is much more of an impediment.
 

CDNBear

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There's nothing in the Constitution-that is with a capital C, written down as in the Charter, that states Canada must have a dept of Indian affairs. Practice and convention have created it, so it is not forever.
True. And as with all cases of breach of contract, there are penalties.

The dept can fall into disuse due to lack of support from the general population like other practices and conventions have over time.
No it can't. Gawd you're dumb.

Politics generally facilitates our lives, bur for aboriginals it is much more of an impediment.
So that goes for all aboriginals?

Care to retract that? back it up? Or would you rather be embarressed yet again?