The usual. Rape, torture, arson, piracy, slavery, wearing stripes with plaid, eating peas with a spoon, wiping my dick on the drapes. You know.
Sounds fun. I'm in.
Is it moral for God to punish us?
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It is good to judge the box and as you do, you cannot help but judge those who are in that box and who form it.
You can love the sinner as Jesus said and hate the sin but you might note that God ends in punishing the sinner he loves and not the sin he hates.
Rhetoric sometimes is just plain old unworkable.
When I say that Islam and Christianity are homophobic and misogynous religions, it is a truth, but in real terms, religions cannot discriminate, only the people in them can.
Any judgement then can only really be applied to the people and how they interpret their religions.
Most are more politically correct than I but I would rather go with honesty and forthright language even if it's gets me into trouble sometimes.
What I really hate is portrayed in this link. Note her answer when asked about homosexuals. If one of my 4 sons ever said such a thing I would slip them silly, so to speak. I do not believe in corporeal punishment.
Regards
DL
You did strike me as a stand up and uppity female that did not want to stay in a man made box you were told to fit into.
Two thumbs up for that.
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DL
I'm familiar with the side effects of happy hour, that is number 4 or 5 depending on which list you lose. The giggle part was a big part of the 'option being put on the table'.
Some criminals are put by police and court into jail, for some months or so.
Then after releasing them, they may return to do their crimes.
Then after repeating their crimes: stealing or transgression or whatsoever ... after repeating their crimes two or three times, it will be usual for them, and they will be familiar with committing such crimes.
When a killer is put in jail, according to the West laws, he will try to escape from prison, and if any opportunity for him to escape he will certainly take it to run away from prison.
So it depends on the kind of the crime and on the kind of punishment and retribution.
I think for this reason, God will decide
>> the idolater ,
>> the associater who associates (idols, angels, Jesus, Jewish sages, saints, Ali and others) with God - by the way of enthusiasam and by the way of claiming they are his intercessors and redeemer ..etc.
>> In addition to disbelievers in the messengers
>> and in addition to atheists.
All these God will decide for them the everlasting punishment and forever imprisonment in Hell, and no intercession will avail them.
Because it may be, even if they are released they will return to their past ways and programs.
While other major crimes and guilts [of the believers] may need only some long period of time in Hell.
But how long will this everlasting punishment last?
God is the All-Knowing; I ask His forgiveness and hope for His mercy.
{Quran 11: 105. On the day when it [Doomdsdy] will come, no soul will speak [with intercession] save only according to His permission k; then some of them will be the wretched l and [others] the happy m.
106. Those who are wretched shall be in the Fire: there shall be for them sobbing and exhalation [of fire. n]
107. They will remain therein so long as the heavens and the earth will endure o,
save for that your Lord [O Mohammed] will [to pardon them so He takes them out of the Fire.]
Your Lord surely does all that He likes.
Then God – be glorified – made an exception: the sinners among the ‘devoted to God alone’…
108. But those who will be happy [on that day]: they will be in the Garden (or Paradise): to remain therein so long as the heavens and the earth endure, p save for [anyone] that your Lord [O Mohammed] will [to drive out of it]: a gift unfailing q.}
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n i.e. for them will be suffocating gases.
o i.e. as long as there is in the universe, planets circling around a sun. It means: as long as there is in the universe a solar system.
p Then God – be glorified – made an exception: anyone who waxes proud in Paradise (or the Garden), or he does not comply with God’s command when He commands him with anything, so that He will drive him out of Paradise as did He drive out Iblies (or Satan) when he rebelled against God’s command and waxed proud over Adam …
q i.e. not to be stopped or decreased.
The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
Then after releasing them, they may return to do their crimes.
Then after repeating their crimes: stealing or transgression or whatsoever ... after repeating their crimes two or three times, it will be usual for them, and they will be familiar with committing such crimes.
When a killer is put in jail, according to the West laws, he will try to escape from prison, and if any opportunity for him to escape he will certainly take it to run away from prison.
So it depends on the kind of the crime and on the kind of punishment and retribution.
I think for this reason, God will decide
>> the idolater ,
>> the associater who associates (idols, angels, Jesus, Jewish sages, saints, Ali and others) with God - by the way of enthusiasam and by the way of claiming they are his intercessors and redeemer ..etc.
>> In addition to disbelievers in the messengers
>> and in addition to atheists.
All these God will decide for them the everlasting punishment and forever imprisonment in Hell, and no intercession will avail them.
Because it may be, even if they are released they will return to their past ways and programs.
While other major crimes and guilts [of the believers] may need only some long period of time in Hell.
But how long will this everlasting punishment last?
God is the All-Knowing; I ask His forgiveness and hope for His mercy.
{Quran 11: 105. On the day when it [Doomdsdy] will come, no soul will speak [with intercession] save only according to His permission k; then some of them will be the wretched l and [others] the happy m.
106. Those who are wretched shall be in the Fire: there shall be for them sobbing and exhalation [of fire. n]
107. They will remain therein so long as the heavens and the earth will endure o,
save for that your Lord [O Mohammed] will [to pardon them so He takes them out of the Fire.]
Your Lord surely does all that He likes.
Then God – be glorified – made an exception: the sinners among the ‘devoted to God alone’…
108. But those who will be happy [on that day]: they will be in the Garden (or Paradise): to remain therein so long as the heavens and the earth endure, p save for [anyone] that your Lord [O Mohammed] will [to drive out of it]: a gift unfailing q.}
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n i.e. for them will be suffocating gases.
o i.e. as long as there is in the universe, planets circling around a sun. It means: as long as there is in the universe a solar system.
p Then God – be glorified – made an exception: anyone who waxes proud in Paradise (or the Garden), or he does not comply with God’s command when He commands him with anything, so that He will drive him out of Paradise as did He drive out Iblies (or Satan) when he rebelled against God’s command and waxed proud over Adam …
q i.e. not to be stopped or decreased.
The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
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You make a lot of assumptions as most criminals are quite pleased to not escape as the chances of recapture are almost nil and they would see it as just adding to their sentence.
You also mixes secular crime and sin which changes the dynamics. That being the case, a sample of your morals are in order.
What do you think of the forced marriage and murder of girls like this?
Give your reply and then I can see a baseline of Islam's morality.
Regards
DL
Do you really want the tally of children that die every day because christians don't follow the instructions they were left with? Lets start with the 25,000 that die each and every day because they are denied the same level of care that 'we' reserve just for ourselves just so 'we' remain the majority. Then we can move onto the drones whose kill ration is about 90% civilians during operations after war has been declared.
You appear to be from the UK and the christians from there are as backwards as it gets. That proof is in your various thread OP's.
You appear to be from the UK and the christians from there are as backwards as it gets. That proof is in your various thread OP's.
The issue was murder and child brides.
Most people are good people and given the right logistics, no child would be hungry.
The fact that no religion makes the hardest efforts to walk their talk should not surprise anyone.
If they did, there would not be war or hunger or dead child brides.
Regards
DL
Most people are good people and given the right logistics, no child would be hungry.
The fact that no religion makes the hardest efforts to walk their talk should not surprise anyone.
If they did, there would not be war or hunger or dead child brides.
Regards
DL
You can probably get more done with the first two in you list rather than the last one. Start big and work your way down.
I would have thought that the Muslim nervous hospitals would restrict the use of computers to the patients. I think it's wonderful they let you spend a little time to preach. I'm sure it's a therapeutic thing.
"There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love." (1 John 4:18 NIV)
What is it that your fear, DL?
I think, you may have missed what I mean:
It is to explain why God decides to imprison the atheist and the idolater in Hell forever.
Moreover, the Islam's morality is other than Muslim's morality; just like Christian's morality and others.
While to speak about Muslim's morality will be certainly better than the French morality when they invaded Algeria and other African countries.
In a recent report of the French intelligence, of incidents that took place about 40 years ago: what they did in Africa: revolutions, assassinations, invading ...etc.
Of Algeria alone they killed one million persons till the sixtieths of the last century.
Uh-huh....because the Muslims aren't killing people. They aren't blowing up buses and public places and such or beheading people for being white or christian. You're a retard!!
Then why do people fear their god(s)? I think people have a good reason to fear them (or at least the nastier ones anyways). And if I fear someone or something, there's no way I would trust them.
I don't believe in god(s) so I don't fear them. What I do fear is the things people will do in the name of their god.
Having to resort to Viagra.
So far my perfect love for my wife is working.
I do not think I have any other fear although I hate the notion of dying before my wife and leaving her alone.
Some might see that as a fear of death but I do not fear death. Just the poor timing of it.
I answered your off topic question. Can I ask the relevance of it in your mind?
Regards
DL
Dog dung. Shia vs. Sunni = not so peaceful: September, 2010, the Quetta bombing; January, 2015, the Karachi bombing. That is not to mention the times Muslims have killed other Muslims when trying to kill Christians and other people.
If you are not outright lying, you are barely intelligent enough to breathe without having to think about it.
I believe in them all, but I don't think they bother involving themselves with us. There's no reason to fear them because of that. I have little fear for anything other than humans.
And that is one reason why I fear humans to a point.
Let the dead bury the dead.
We see too many nations holding on to ancient hatreds and that is not healthy for a world.
That is how you get individuals hating all those of some other culture even though all the actual offenders, be they guilty or not, are long dead.
Most of us are not the uncivilized clods that our ancestors were.
Seek closure as hate in a heart is not healthy.
Forgive unless Islam forbids it.
Regards
DL