Is infidelity immoral?

gerryh

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That would be illegal and against my principals but not necessarily immoral since I don't have any religion. A preacher OTH is in a position of trust and professes to be better than us mere mortals although one would have a hard time believing it since so many of them like boys.


It would be illegal for anyone, including "preachers", and they are not the only ones in a position of trust that have taken advantage of children. And I have yet to have one tell me that they are better than I. Considering the incidences of pedophilia among "preachers" is no higher than in the general population.
 

karrie

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Take the trolling about priests elsewhere. It is an unnecessary derailing discussion to this thread. Further posts will be deleted along with the ones that have already occurred.
 

CurioToo

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What if a love for another outside of marriage was felt but never spoken of nor acted upon?

Is that immoral?

Many people within a happy marriage which suits the life - with a family and all the comforts of what we enter into marriage for - many people still find themselves attracted to others they meet over the years but never act out anything but platonic friendship.

I often question marriage these days because of the conflicts caused and the need for legal measures to solutions for the heart.
 

JLM

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What if a love for another outside of marriage was felt but never spoken of nor acted upon?

Is that immoral?

Many people within a happy marriage which suits the life - with a family and all the comforts of what we enter into marriage for - many people still find themselves attracted to others they meet over the years but never act out anything but platonic friendship.

I often question marriage these days because of the conflicts caused and the need for legal measures to solutions for the heart.

Hi Curio- I doubt if something that exists in one's mind could be called immoral (I've often thought of strangling people LOL) - I think the line is drawn past which point you've hurt another person. Yep, there's lots of things about "Marriage" (with papers) I question too.
 

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I am merely pointing out that just because you agree to it im marriage does not mean it is immoral to break the agreement.


.. So, what you're saying is that from your perspective, it is not immoral to break an agreement. What about the perspective of the person/group that entered into that agreement with you?

Your entire argument is based on your individual position when in fact, you only represent 1/2 the equation. Just because your morality allows for misrepresentation and the breaking of agreements does not exclude the perspective of others that you have impacted
 

karrie

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What if a love for another outside of marriage was felt but never spoken of nor acted upon?

Is that immoral?

Many people within a happy marriage which suits the life - with a family and all the comforts of what we enter into marriage for - many people still find themselves attracted to others they meet over the years but never act out anything but platonic friendship.

I often question marriage these days because of the conflicts caused and the need for legal measures to solutions for the heart.

You can't control who you meet in life, or who all you fall in love with along yuor journey. Loving someone but never doing anything about it, staying faithful to your first love, is not immoral. Intention matters a lot.
 

CurioToo

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Karrie

I've spoken with many people who are happily married and then love for another falls into their lives - even when they were not seeking
love or even a mild affair.

Love to me is precious no matter who it is for and how it happened - we have too little love in our hearts today because of morality dictates or impossible lifelong rules which demean us as loving creatures.

I think the highest honor one can pay to a love of any kind is to acknowledge it but not act on it unless one is free to do so. Life is a long
road to travel and some lifetime "loves" can sustain another person through a friendship which can eventually mean as much as a love.
 

shelphs

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The opening post discusses morality, the level of rightness and wrongness of infidelity and concludes that cheating on a partner is nothing more than any other deceitful lie, and, due to the relativism of morality, it certainly doesn’t rank high on the scale of badness, and since some forms of lying are good, i.e., white lies, infidelity isn’t really bad because can “you be so absolute about lying” – that it is bad?

This is like agreeing with both extremes of an argument: use relativism in the overall spectrum of good and bad to show how lying isn’t nearly as bad as, say, murder, and it is such a lesser offense it is hardly an offense at all, but ignore relativism when it comes to talking about the good and bad within the spectrum of lying itself.

And because action A (e.g., murder) is worse than action B (e.g., lying), it does not mean action B is now no longer bad. It’s still bad, but perhaps lying is not as bad as many other things, like examples of active badness. Lying is a passive bad in the sense that it does not directly inflict physical pain, so one could argue that punching someone is worse than lying to them. That being said, though, many people have experienced lies that harm them emotionally and far worse than any punch might inflict due to the longevity and mental and emotion backlash of said pain. So a lie can be equal to or worse than physically lashing out at someone.

Now it comes down to the notion that if no negative consequences arise from cheating, that is, unwanted pregnancies, contraction of STDs, or being caught, then there is no harm and the supposed bad action is in fact not bad because it produces no bad result. But is that how morality is judged: something is only bad if other people know you are committing the bad? No. There are universal notions of good and bad and these universals are not dependent upon if anyone knows they are being committed or not. Morality is not based on if other people know someone acts morally or immorally, it is about what is and is not morally responsible.

A persons reputation determines how they are viewed, morally responsible or not, but it does not always represent the reality, and if someone acts immorally but is not known for it, that does not negate the fact that said person is immoral.

[FONT=&quot]And an ultimate marital sin cannot exist due to the subjective and relativistic nature involved in the labeling process. The worse form of marital sin can vary widely, for it could be seen as inflicting physical harm, mental and emotional terrorism, physical infidelity, or emotional infidelity. And none of the aforementioned categories can be categorically labeled the worse because there are degrees of badness within each and these degrees are all debatable.
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ironsides

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Here is what is required of those who marry within the Catholic Church.

VATICAN CITY – Pope Benedict XVI told priests Saturday to do a better job counseling would-be spouses to ensure their marriages last and said no one has an absolute right to a wedding.
Benedict made the comments in his annual speech to the Roman Rota, the Vatican tribunal that decides marriage annulments. An annulment is the process by which the church effectively declares that a marriage never took place.
Benedict acknowledged that the problems that would allow for a marriage to be annulled cannot always be identified beforehand. But he said better pre-marriage counseling, which the Catholic Church requires of the faithful, could help avoid a "vicious circle" of invalid marriages.
He said the right to a church wedding requires that the bride and groom intend to celebrate and live the marriage truthfully and authentically.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110122/ap_on_re_eu/eu_vatican_marriage

 

CurioToo

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I have always believed both love and hate cannot be manufactured without an internal acceptance and acknowledgement.

Whether one chooses to graduate it into a "sin" by acting upon either towards another it entirely a personal decision and hopefully
the actor can "live with it".

I wonder why celibate males have all this information regarding the affairs of physical and intellectual love when they are so limited in
how it is expressed except in dogma.