Is Canada under a dictatorship?

[cub1c]

RE: Is Canada under a dic

Careful, PQ party will make a referendum in 2008, if they are elected.

As of today, PQ has all their chances on their side to be elected!

Remember Rev, you will never have any problem living in English here.

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Is Canada under a dic

I don't see Quebec separating anytime soon unless Harper wins the election though. Then you have to teach me to speak you language, because I'll be moving to your new country.

What the hell....everything is Harper this and Harper that, I think you've got a problem deeper than political leanings here. The conservatives haven’t run the country in 15 years, yet you blame all of Canada’s woes on them…..

Harper and Quebec agree that provincial powers are to be respected. The federal left has no idea what that even means. So explain how Harper is going to cause Quebec to separate if he gets elected.

 

[mrmom2]

Consevatives=GST.NAFTA Thanks a lot Brian

 

[MMMike]

Re: RE: Is Canada under a dictatorship?

Consevatives=GST.NAFTA Thanks a lot Brian

Oh, you mean the G.S.T. that Chretien promised to get rid of? The G.S.T. that put the country on the road to the balanced budgets that Martin is so proud of?

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Is Canada under a dictatorship?

Consevatives=GST.NAFTA Thanks a lot Brian

Oh, you mean the G.S.T. that Chretien promised to get rid of? The G.S.T. that put the country on the road to the balanced budgets that Martin is so proud of?

ya the one where after Chretien had been elected for awhile, told us that he accually supported the GST while he was official opposition leader. They don't call them Liebrals for nothing.

 

[mrmom2]

HE was not responsibile fot it thoughJay .That suckers Brians all the way .But I do agree Chretien was a thieving snake oil salesman prick too!

 

[Ten Packs]

Re: RE: Is Canada under a dictatorship?

But I do agree Chretien was a thieving snake oil salesman prick too!

No - no - no, mrmom2. :roll:

A PRICK can be useful sometimes.....

 

[mrmom2]

Your right Ten I should have said ASS :wink:

 

[Reverend Blair]

What the hell....everything is Harper this and Harper that, I think you've got a problem deeper than political leanings here. The conservatives haven’t run the country in 15 years, yet you blame all of Canada’s woes on them…..

Harper and Quebec agree that provincial powers are to be respected. The federal left has no idea what that even means. So explain how Harper is going to cause Quebec to separate if he gets elected.

Harper can't win an election without Quebec or Ontario, and he won't get Quebec or urban Ontario because of his socially regressive policies.

If he were to gain a majority though, the PQ would fire up referendum machine. They've got about a dozen anti-Quebec quotes from Harper and high-ranking Conservatives already. They can just put those in ads and slap 'em up on the TV. We all know the Conservatives better than that though, we've been watching them bash every part of Canada that isn't Alberta since Preston Manning's started to change. They'll be dancing on the Quebec flag and yammering about cutting off any money at all and just generally being loud-mouthed schnooks.

 

[MMMike]

Rev, they don't bash parts of Canada. They bash policies crafted to benefit one part of Canada over another. You know, those policies that the Liberals use to buy votes. Policies that do not benefit the country as a whole.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Is Canada under a dic

They've complained, very publicly, about everything from language laws to transfer payments to Bombardier getting money. They have portrayed Quebecois as radicals, lazy, and incompetent. They have been involved in flag-stomping incidents. It's all been on the news over the years.

If they are in government do you really think that won't every pro-separation ad during a referendum?

Toss in that the only policy the Conservatives and Quebec have in common is taking power away from Ottawa and the fact that there will be no Conservatives from Quebec and it will be separation time.

 

[MMMike]

It is perfectly legitimate to complain about language laws - both the marginalization of the non-french in Quebec, and the official bilingualism outside of Quebec. Doing so does not make you "anti-Quebec".

I thought you would complain too, Rev, about subsidies to Bombardier.

I don't know if you consider these policies "anti-Quebec" or just not very popular in Quebec. Personally I think it is a mistake for the Conservatives to abandon their ideals to try and curry favour in Quebec.

 

[missile]

The supreme court was supposed to rule on the legality of bill 101 today. Does anyone know the results?

 

[MMMike]

They didn't strike down Bill 101 but they did lay out new legal guidelines that will make it easier to access English schools.

 

[Reverend Blair]

The supreme court was supposed to rule on the legality of bill 101 today. Does anyone know the results?

They upheld the legality of the bill, but said it should be applied differently in the case of education. It was a unanimous decision.

It is perfectly legitimate to complain about language laws - both the marginalization of the non-french in Quebec, and the official bilingualism outside of Quebec. Doing so does not make you "anti-Quebec".

I thought you would complain too, Rev, about subsidies to Bombardier.

You are completely missing the point here, MMMike. This isn't about what you or I think or agree with. I was challenged for my assertion that Quebec would separate if the Conservatives got a majority government. They will, I gave the reasons.

I don't know if you consider these policies "anti-Quebec" or just not very popular in Quebec. Personally I think it is a mistake for the Conservatives to abandon their ideals to try and curry favour in Quebec.

Again, it doesn't matter how I see them. I'm not going to be voting in a referendum because Manitoba isn't separating. They are seen as anti-Quebec by people in Quebec and they will be heavily promoted as being anti-Quebec come referendum time.

The long and sordid history of the Reform/Alliance/Conservatives will come back to bite us all in the ass should they get a majority government.

 

[MMMike]

You are completely missing the point here, MMMike. This isn't about what you or I think or agree with. I was challenged for my assertion that Quebec would separate if the Conservatives got a majority government. They will, I gave the reasons.

Ah, they'll never separate. They just want to use that threat to beat the ROC over the head again and again. Besides, the Conservatives can't get a majority government without Quebec, so it is a moot point.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Is Canada under a dic

They almost separated once already. The sentiment supporting that has been dying down, but it can flare up again at a moments notice.

The Conservatives won't get elected though, you're right about that. It is another reason to vote for somebosy else though. If you are a small "c" conservative there are other choices. Take them.

 

[cub1c]

Ah, they'll never separate. They just want to use that threat to beat the ROC over the head again and again. Besides, the Conservatives can't get a majority government without Quebec, so it is a moot point.

Come on. That's the most reductive and stupid assumption you can make about separatist movement. We use referendums as threat? WTF. Did you learn that in school???? Come on!! You think we came close (0.8%) in 1995 but that it is still only a threat. Man!!! I really hate Canada for that.

Referendum is not a threat, referendum is the most democratical way of expression the population can have. Refedendum is not about money at all. People want their independance. Liberals wants people to think that Québécois only want money, but people tend to forget that Liberals are the only one thinking about money. Please read about what is neo-liberalism.

They forget that Québécois only wants to survive. Don't try to find any other reason. And no, it is not a racist movement like you would want it.

No matter which party will be elected federally, separation will always be there. Some 250 years old movement just don't disapear over the night.

 

[cub1c]

RE: Is Canada under a dic

BTW, separatism movement has a lot of supporter from around the world and a lot comes from EU and Latin America.

The separatism movement in Québec really pushed forward the issue at the UN. We have a good support from UN.

 

[Jay]

Bouchard was from the conservatives, not the NDP, and is considered to be the Quebec people incarnate.

The Rev, like much of English Canada, doesn't understand how important provincial powers are to Quebec, and how that their identity is protected by them. Until English Canada figures this out, there will be a strong movement in Quebec to separate.