Is an adulterous thought a sin?

[talloola]

]Nuggler;



One thing for sure, premeditation starts with one single thought if ,

That is the sentence that says 'it all', anyone can think anything, but
your actions, in response to the thought, describes a persons character
totally. One doesn't have control of 'what' thoughts come into your
brain, only what you do about it.

If one's thoughts continually seem to be that, which would eventually
cause you to weaken and cave in, then perhaps you should be seeking
help to work on that problem.
The thought is not a 'sin', and a religious person could drive themselves crazy, if they believe that it is, as every time the 'wrong' thought comes into
the head, they will feel guilty, even if they 'don't' act in an unacceptable way,
as a result of the thought.
Be kinder to yourself with your thoughts, laugh at yourself for stupid, cruel or
sexual thoughts about others, then 'do the right thing', and be proud of yourself for that.

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]Nuggler;



One thing for sure, premeditation starts with one single thought if ,

That is the sentence that says 'it all', anyone can think anything, but
your actions, in response to the thought, describes a persons character
totally. One doesn't have control of 'what' thoughts come into your
brain, only what you do about it.

If one's thoughts continually seem to be that, which would eventually
cause you to weaken and cave in, then perhaps you should be seeking
help to work on that problem.
The thought is not a 'sin', and a religious person could drive themselves crazy, if they believe that it is, as every time the 'wrong' thought comes into
the head, they will feel guilty, even if they 'don't' act in an unacceptable way,
as a result of the thought.
Be kinder to yourself with your thoughts, laugh at yourself for stupid, cruel or
sexual thoughts about others, then 'do the right thing', and be proud of yourself for that.

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I am still holding to my stance of my original statement about this.

 

[L Gilbert]

Is an adulterous thought a sin?

Nah.

 

[wallyj]

Years ago when I read Playboy,really,I did read it,and enjoyed the pics. Anyways,years ago,there was an interview with Jimmy Cartah,former POTUS,who said that he had "lusted in the heart". That was big news and scandal then. But hey ,he was telling the truth. I am very happy with my women,but if Bebe Neuwirth walked on by,my heart and mind would be lusting. It is human nature,to deny your humanity is foolish.

 

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Years ago when I read Playboy,really,I did read it,and enjoyed the pics. Anyways,years ago,there was an interview with Jimmy Cartah,former POTUS,who said that he had "lusted in the heart". That was big news and scandal then. But hey ,he was telling the truth. I am very happy with my women,but if Bebe Neuwirth walked on by,my heart and mind would be lusting. It is human nature,to deny your humanity is foolish.

Good reference.
According to Cosmo, women have them more than men.

 

[talloola]

To think about it -- NO. And even if I were religious I'd still say -- NO.
No because there is always something that has happened to initiate the thought.

How about a) a beautiful sexy woman walks by, (sexual admiration, or even the thought
of 'wondering' how ir would be in bed with her)(or the opposite genders)
b)An armoured truck drops a load of money, first thought, (if no one sees me I could pick it up
and take it home, before anyone notices)
c)the poor man looking at the rich man, I hate him because of all of his riches, I hope he
burns in hell
d)wishing bad things for your sibling, as they seem to have it all, and you don't
e)a thought of 'hate' toward your mother/father, because they don't agree with your wishes.
f)a fleeting thought of 'killing' someone, then a panicky thought after, for thinking such
a thought.

Something has happened to initiate all of those thoughts,the thoughts will disappear, and life goes on as usual, no actions taken, no harm done. That's life.
(I'm still wondering about the 'armoured truck thing'.;-)

 

[Dexter Sinister]

No, an adulterous thought is not a sin. It's just a thought.

Frankly I find the whole notion of sin tiresome, pointless, and meaningless. I don't really think anything's a sin, the word has no referents for me. It's usually defined as a transgression of some divine or spiritual law, and since I don't believe there's any such things, there are only human ideas that people try to elevate to that status, the concept is incoherent to me. People do make mistakes of course, of greater and lesser degree, and I've certainly made my share over the years, but sin? No such thing, in my view. The word has no real meaning outside its religious context, and I rejected all religious belief years ago as superstitious nonsense.

Besides, when you stop looking at attractive people and having certain thoughts about them, it can only mean you're dead, which in turn means, granting that there is such a thing as a sin, that to be human and alive is to sin. Many religious traditions teach precisely that, and I have no patience with that idea. It's purely a manipulative guilt trip, it teaches people that they're intrinsically worthless, or even less than worthless, they're actively evil, by themselves, which I think is dangerous, stupid, and very damaging.

And double besides, no judicial system in the world that I've ever read about, through all of human history, has ever maintained that you can condemn people for what they think, you can condemn them only for what they do, which might include expressing their thoughts. Only religion condemns people for what they think, on the comprehensive grounds that the deity knows what you think regardless of what you do or don't do about it, and I have nothing but contempt for that idea.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

No, an adulterous thought is not a sin. It's just a thought.

Frankly I find the whole notion of sin tiresome, pointless, and meaningless. I don't really think anything's a sin, the word has no referents for me. It's usually defined as a transgression of some divine or spiritual law, and since I don't believe there's any such things, there are only human ideas that people try to elevate to that status, the concept is incoherent to me. People do make mistakes of course, of greater and lesser degree, and I've certainly made my share over the years, but sin? No such thing, in my view. The word has no real meaning outside its religious context, and I rejected all religious belief years ago as superstitious nonsense.

Besides, when you stop looking at attractive people and having certain thoughts about them, it can only mean you're dead, which in turn means, granting that there is such a thing as a sin, that to be human and alive is to sin. Many religious traditions teach precisely that, and I have no patience with that idea. It's purely a manipulative guilt trip, it teaches people that they're intrinsically worthless, or even less than worthless, they're actively evil, by themselves, which I think is dangerous, stupid, and very damaging.

And double besides, no judicial system in the world that I've ever read about, through all of human history, has ever maintained that you can condemn people for what they think, you can condemn them only for what they do, which might include expressing their thoughts. Only religion condemns people for what they think, on the comprehensive grounds that the deity knows what you think regardless of what you do or don't do about it, and I have nothing but contempt for that idea.

Dexter S. your opinion works for you, a thought is a seed, some seeds are el eagle to cultivate, should such cultivation take place the so called (adultery takes place)........... When two people agree to a marital constitution and one respects that condition and the other's greediness's makes him or her to brake that condition, guilt will come at some point and over power the person who violated the conditions of this marital relationship. Karma is the silent judge, in Karma's court sin is taken very seriously, and there is no paying the judge in getting off.
Sin must be looked in a wide spectrum. At a time of adulterating thoughts Immorality may not allow one to except sin (adultery) as an unfair act and should an adulterating act is committed, then Karma kicks in and gilt is the mental sh!t disturber.

 

[dancing-loon]

No, an adulterous thought is not a sin. It's just a thought.

Frankly I find the whole notion of sin tiresome, pointless, and meaningless. I don't really think anything's a sin, the word has no referents for me. It's usually defined as a transgression of some divine or spiritual law, and since I don't believe there's any such things, there are only human ideas that people try to elevate to that status, the concept is incoherent to me. People do make mistakes of course, of greater and lesser degree, and I've certainly made my share over the years, but sin? No such thing, in my view. The word has no real meaning outside its religious context, and I rejected all religious belief years ago as superstitious nonsense.

Besides, when you stop looking at attractive people and having certain thoughts about them, it can only mean you're dead, which in turn means, granting that there is such a thing as a sin, that to be human and alive is to sin. Many religious traditions teach precisely that, and I have no patience with that idea. It's purely a manipulative guilt trip, it teaches people that they're intrinsically worthless, or even less than worthless, they're actively evil, by themselves, which I think is dangerous, stupid, and very damaging.

And double besides, no judicial system in the world that I've ever read about, through all of human history, has ever maintained that you can condemn people for what they think, you can condemn them only for what they do, which might include expressing their thoughts. Only religion condemns people for what they think, on the comprehensive grounds that the deity knows what you think regardless of what you do or don't do about it, and I have nothing but contempt for that idea.

Hi, Dexter;
that's a good post, and a good argument from you. Depite good and thoughtprovoking points I cannot come to the same conclusion of 'there is no such thing as sin', and it is "just a thought".

Thoughts are invisible deeds. They take place not on the material level, but on the spiritual/emotional level.

A more appropriate word for sin could be "imperfection", or "immaturity".

Speaking only of adulterous sin, let me take the recent example of Mr. Edwards cheating on his wife. Don't you think his acting on his lustful thoughts didn't hurt his wife? He inflicted deep emotional pain on her, he betrayed her love and trust in him, he broke his promise to be faithful to her.

This example shows you how adulterous thoughts lead to adulterous deeds in at least 50% of married couples. It further shows that a lot of marriages are not made in heaven!

In my opinion the precursor of adulterous deeds should be corrected el prompto. The tempted person should remind him/herself of the commitment as a married partner.

To avoid the word "sinful" I would say adulterous thoughts and fantasies are not right, they are purely selfish, of low grade and insulting to one's faithful mate. We are very well aware of this, that's why we keep it in secret, we are ashamed to have these feelings, but are too weak yet to chase them away.

We are all gods in the making and have a long way to go yet to reach control over our thoughts, and hence our deeds.

 

[talloola]

Hi, Dexter;
This example shows you how adulterous thoughts lead to adulterous deeds in at least 50% of married couples.

What a load to put on the human, to charge him/her with a sin, from a thought, that
is totally absurd.
You should be zeroing in the the 50% who did not turn their thought into action, they
are the ones who should be considered 'normal' and 'intelligent' and 'thoughtful' and
interested in preserving their marriage instead of ruining it, the rest put their thought
into action, and now that is not a thought any longer is it.

John Edwards thought about it,' and did it.' That is, (if you are religious) the sin.

He worked very closely with the woman he cheated 'with', he had a chance to say to her,
"no" I will not cheat on my wife, and sever the situation he was in, by not working with her any longer,
he chose 'not' to do that, now, it's his big problem, and
he deserves all the 'sh*t' that hits the fan, as a result.

If he had stopped when he had the 'thought', all would be well at this point,
and he could feel OK with himself, and make sure he learned from it.

One cannot control one's thoughts, a thought pops into your mind, deal with it right
now.
If the thoughts become a continuous problem, the same thought constantly popping
one's mind, then, if the thought is an unhealthy one, get some help to control the
situation, if you feel yourself weakening, and are fearful and afraid of doing a
wrong deed.
If you call a thought a sin, what do you expect a person to do, your religion will drive
some insane, from feeling guilty on many occasions, they are only guilty of being human.

 

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Hi, Dexter;
This example shows you how adulterous thoughts lead to adulterous deeds in at least 50% of married couples.

What a load to put on the human, to charge him/her with a sin, from a thought, that
is totally absurd.
You should be zeroing in the the 50% who did not turn their thought into action, they
are the ones who should be considered 'normal' and 'intelligent' and 'thoughtful' and
interested in preserving their marriage instead of ruining it, the rest put their thought
into action, and now that is not a thought any longer is it.

John Edwards thought about it,' and did it.' That is, (if you are religious) the sin.

He worked very closely with the woman he cheated 'with', he had a chance to say to her,
"no" I will not cheat on my wife, and sever the situation he was in, by not working with her any longer,
he chose 'not' to do that, now, it's his big problem, and
he deserves all the 'sh*t' that hits the fan, as a result.

If he had stopped when he had the 'thought', all would be well at this point,
and he could feel OK with himself, and make sure he learned from it.

One cannot control one's thoughts, a thought pops into your mind, deal with it right
now.
If the thoughts become a continuous problem, the same thought constantly popping
one's mind, then, if the thought is an unhealthy one, get some help to control the
situation, if you feel yourself weakening, and are fearful and afraid of doing a
wrong deed.
If you call a thought a sin, what do you expect a person to do, your religion will drive
some insane, from feeling guilty on many occasions, they are only guilty of being human.

With all due respect....that is life.

 

[karrie]

To avoid the word "sinful" I would say adulterous thoughts and fantasies are not right, they are purely selfish, of low grade and insulting to one's faithful mate. We are very well aware of this, that's why we keep it in secret, we are ashamed to have these feelings, but are too weak yet to chase them away.

We are all gods in the making and have a long way to go yet to reach control over our thoughts, and hence our deeds.

I don't have that view of adulterous thought at all. First of all, I'm not insulted if my husband sees someone who strikes his fancy on a carnal level. It's nature, it's what we're hard wired for. Why be angry with or hurt about something he has no control over? And, if I see someone and I get a tingle from it, I won't hesitate to tell my hubby about it. Take away the shame, take away the need to hide the thoughts, and instead you can be open and honest. Open and honest, you have WAY less chance that you're going to mess up and follow some carnal thought.

 

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I don't have that view of adulterous thought at all. First of all, I'm not insulted if my husband sees someone who strikes his fancy on a carnal level. It's nature, it's what we're hard wired for. Why be angry with or hurt about something he has no control over? And, if I see someone and I get a tingle from it, I won't hesitate to tell my hubby about it. Take away the shame, take away the need to hide the thoughts, and instead you can be open and honest. Open and honest, you have WAY less chance that you're going to mess up and follow some carnal thought.

karrie,
I applaud you on your thoughts. Makes sense after all. It is a part of our make-up.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Hi, Dexter;
This example shows you how adulterous thoughts lead to adulterous deeds in at least 50% of married couples.

What a load to put on the human, to charge him/her with a sin, from a thought, that
is totally absurd.
You should be zeroing in the the 50% who did not turn their thought into action, they
are the ones who should be considered 'normal' and 'intelligent' and 'thoughtful' and
interested in preserving their marriage instead of ruining it, the rest put their thought
into action, and now that is not a thought any longer is it.

John Edwards thought about it,' and did it.' That is, (if you are religious) the sin.

He worked very closely with the woman he cheated 'with', he had a chance to say to her,
"no" I will not cheat on my wife, and sever the situation he was in, by not working with her any longer,
he chose 'not' to do that, now, it's his big problem, and
he deserves all the 'sh*t' that hits the fan, as a result.

If he had stopped when he had the 'thought', all would be well at this point,
and he could feel OK with himself, and make sure he learned from it.

One cannot control one's thoughts, a thought pops into your mind, deal with it right
now.
If the thoughts become a continuous problem, the same thought constantly popping
one's mind, then, if the thought is an unhealthy one, get some help to control the
situation, if you feel yourself weakening, and are fearful and afraid of doing a
wrong deed.
If you call a thought a sin, what do you expect a person to do, your religion will drive
some insane, from feeling guilty on many occasions, they are only guilty of being human.

Truth is talloola that any one who has committed adultery, after the fact many wished they were never involved in such a mess.
It is astonishing that people from all walks of life like the Edwards, the Blitsers, the Clintons, find them selves in the web of lies and cheating. It takes a woman with a big hart to understand such human difficulty. A woman can say the bum cheated on me, but the woman who in spit the humiliation says very little and stands by her emotionally wounded man is a super woman in my view. People commit sins very day, humanity is not perfect, and looking for perfection in the human mind it is like one being at the beach for 1Million years looking for a 1 carat finished diamond. What are the chances of finding such a find? Very slime to none.
Lets remember one thing, that equally women cheat on their men also, lets not deviate from that truth.
I am a sinner and every day I work to correct past sins.

 

[Scott Free]

This whole debate is a question of ethics not morality. There is no intrinsic "good" or "evil." The concepts aren't substances. You can't pour out a cup of evil with two lumps of good.

The only debate is in the interaction of people. It seems absurd to think anyone can control someone else's thoughts when people can't even control their own. Here is where a sky god becomes important, in that, it is presumed a sky god is capable of (and for some odd reason interested in) policing such things.

So if someone's partners "thinking" is upsetting them I recommend they get counselling. It seems they (and their sky god) have some control issues.

 

[Avro]

I think if you were to believe in the grand fairytale of God then I suppose it is a sin. If not, it's nothing more than daydreaming with a woody.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

This whole debate is a question of ethics not morality. There is no intrinsic "good" or "evil." The concepts aren't substances. You can't pour out a cup of evil with two lumps of good.

The only debate is in the interaction of people. It seems absurd to think anyone can control someone else's thoughts when people can't even control their own. Here is where a sky god becomes important, in that, it is presumed a sky god is capable of (and for some odd reason interested in) policing such things.

So if someone's partners "thinking" is upsetting them I recommend they get counselling. It seems they (and their sky god) have some control issues.

Scott Free as you know, Ethical conduct should inspire a quality of behavior that exemplifies honor and dignity for oneself.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

I think if you were to believe in the grand fairytale of God then I suppose it is a sin. If not, it's nothing more than daydreaming with a woody.

My god, Avro daydreaming with a woody I hope the guy day dreaming is not between two voluptuous amazons, he will be blue in the face before the dream cums to an end……. Ok I have miss spelled a word here. Hahah :lol::lol:;-)

 

[Scott Free]

Scott Free as you know, Ethical conduct should inspire a quality of behavior that exemplifies honor and dignity for oneself.

That is one perspective which has a time honourd tradition and has been the cornerstone of many a civilization, however, it fails in acknowledging another vital aspect and in doing so opens up such silly debates as right and wrong; that missing and vital element is liberty.

If we analyze this from the perspective of both dignity and liberty we realize that people can think whatever they like and the degradation of that persons dignity only comes from outside condemnation - a condemnation of something the outside can not know or control.

So in fact, saying you can't think this or that thing is a massive violation of liberty and therefore dignity. Yes, dignity and liberty are vitally linked IMO you cannot have one without the other.

Therefore maintaining thought crime as real is to humiliate and confine.

 

[talloola]

.. A woman can say the bum cheated on me, but the woman who in spit the humiliation says very little and stands by her emotionally wounded man i
That is hillarious, the emotionally wounded is 'the family' wife/husband and children and who ever else is part of the family. The person who cheated is 'just' sorry he got caught.
in most cases.

Very slime to none.
Appropriate ;-)
Lets remember one thing, that equally women cheat on their men also, lets not deviate from that truth.
I am a sinner and every day I work to correct past sins.

No one is perfect, even those who haven't cheated on their spouse.