Interesting: Iran and Holocaust cartoons

[Shiva]

They are testing the limits of free Speech.

Iranians can't do that if they don't have any.

Even thought you could make the debate that they have no free speech, but they are just waiting for someone to say, "no you can't do that, that is terrible, and start a fuss."

From a moral point of view, it is wrong. No one is saying it's illegal, though. And actually, the newspaper that printed the original cartoons is saying it will print the Holocaust cartoons, so this argument about a double standard is moot.

Then they will come back with, "But you did that to our prophet."

If they're going to do those sorts of things, they can't complain if others do it, too.

I think as in American termonology that Jewish people are collateral damage.

Then maybe Mohammed was just collateral damage in a critique of modern Muslim countries?

Because in European nations, Austria especially it is a crime to talk about the Holocaust.

No, it is a crime to deny the Holocaust. That doesn't mean people don't criticise Judaism.

Nope, the Norweigan paper was right-wing christian, then the Duthc one was right wing, there are numerous right wing christian papers publishing it. But there are also neutral and left-wingers as well.

Got any proof that they were Christian newspapers? Or that the newspapers reprinting all this are all Christian?

 

[Jersay]

Got any proof that they were Christian newspapers? Or that the newspapers reprinting all this are all Christian?

From a moral point of view, it is wrong. No one is saying it's illegal, though. And actually, the newspaper that printed the original cartoons is saying it will print the Holocaust cartoons, so this argument about a double standard is moot.

Wrong. The Danish paper said they will not do the Jewish cartoons. The editor claimed to have wanted to do them, but he was overruled. So it shows again that when they were to publish Christian Cartoons several years ago they didn't.

It is all against Muslim and Islam.

The Norweigan paper was evangical, look it up.

 

[Shiva]

Wrong. The Danish paper said they will not do the Jewish cartoons. The editor claimed to have wanted to do them, but he was overruled. So it shows again that when they were to publish Christian Cartoons several years ago they didn't.

It is all against Muslim and Islam.

The Norweigan paper was evangical, look it up.

So what if they do criticise Islam? It's not as though people don't criticise Christianity.

http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/11-8-2005-80884.asp

Liberation Wins Cartoon Court Case

A French newspaper has won the right to show a cartoon of a naked Jesus wearing nothing but a condom. By Clare Chapman.

By Guardian Newspapers, 11/8/2005


A French newspaper has won the right to show a cartoon of a naked Jesus wearing nothing but a condom.

Left-liberal daily Liberation was taken to court by a Christian organisation after printing the image in an April edition of the paper.

The cartoon criticised the Catholic church's refusal to accept the use of condoms as a means of protecting against HIV and Aids. The picture showed Christ standing naked in the centre of a circle of dark-skinned cardinals wearing only a condom. Next to the group stood a white cardinal who turned to his appalled colleagues saying: "He would certainly have used a condom."

But the image outraged Catholic and Christian groups, resulting in legal action being taken against the paper by the General Alliance against Racism and for the Respect of French and Christian Identity. The president of the group, Bernard Anthony, said the newspaper had offended all Christians and "injured their right to practice their religion".

The court in Paris described the portrayal as "crude" but said it did not contravene any laws. It said the illustrator wanted to criticise "the attitude of the previous Pope and certain members of the clergy [regarding the use of condoms] at the start of Pope Benedict XVI's pontificate". It said the illustrator had not wanted to offend Christians in general, particularly as many Catholics openly criticise the church's stance on the use of condoms.

 

[Jersay]

Left-liberal daily Liberation was taken to court by a Christian organisation after printing the image in an April edition of the paper.

The cartoon criticised the Catholic church's refusal to accept the use of condoms as a means of protecting against HIV and Aids. The picture showed Christ standing naked in the centre of a circle of dark-skinned cardinals wearing only a condom. Next to the group stood a white cardinal who turned to his appalled colleagues saying: "He would certainly have used a condom."

But the image outraged Catholic and Christian groups, resulting in legal action being taken against the paper by the General Alliance against Racism and for the Respect of French and Christian Identity. The president of the group, Bernard Anthony, said the newspaper had offended all Christians and "injured their right to practice their religion".

The court in Paris described the portrayal as "crude" but said it did not contravene any laws. It said the illustrator wanted to criticise "the attitude of the previous Pope and certain members of the clergy [regarding the use of condoms] at the start of Pope Benedict XVI's pontificate". It said the illustrator had not wanted to offend Christians in general, particularly as many Catholics openly criticise the church's stance on the use of condoms.

So the christians protested as well. I see no difference between the two.

 

[I think not]

So the christians protested as well. I see no difference between the two.

:? Here's a visual to help you

 

[jimmoyer]

Jersay the comparison to the muslim reactions
and feelings about free speech are nowhere the same,
and one court case by Christians hardly puts them
on a level of street riots, death threats towards
cartoonists.

This kind of moral equivalency is close to the
shallow superfluous level of a teenager.

Sophistry is the art of showing this moral equivalency
and it's like comparing a BB gun to a grenade.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Interesting: Iran and Holocaust cartoons

Perhaps my memory fails me, but I recall no terrorism resulting from this cartoon incident, having occurred in Canada; our Muslim community here in Canada has acted quite appropriately in response to this situation, I would assert. They have assembled and protested peacefully, and taken steps to ensure that no violence will ensue in the future.

Totally normal, in canada we respect muslims, so in return they respect us, simple as that.

 

[Shiva]

So the christians protested as well. I see no difference between the two.

You totally missed the point I was making.

You said:

It is all against Muslim and Islam.

I showed you how it's not only Muslims who bear the brunt of this kind of criticism, and that this idea that it's only all about Muslims getting criticised is a figment of your imagination.

 

[jinni the dhimmmi]

Freedom of speech!