Intelligent Design is a legitimate concept

s_lone

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Karrie I wouldn't let the condescending attitude of a pseudointellectual, egoistic troll like lieexpresser get to you. It's a legend in its own little mind.


Anyway, "Intelligent Design is a legitimate concept " roflmao. Only, if one attributes the human trait of intelligence to the universe.

You've got a good point. The intelligence I project onto the surrounding Universe can only be human because I myself am human. But my 'human' consciousness does not exist in a void. I tend to see 'consciousness' (intelligence) beyond myself. My own consciousness is but a part of a much grander sceme of consciousness. At least this is how I perceive it.
 

L Gilbert

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To tell you the honest truth Gilbert, and you've seen me around the forum enough to hopefully get that I'm telling the truth, if something actually 'gets to me', I walk away. If someone lets comments on the internet upset them, then they need to evaluate why they're there. I dropped his thread once before because he started commenting about being angry with me... there's just no need for anger when I'm so used to this forum being a neat exchange of the minds. His getting angry showed me either that there was something wrong with the way he was reading my posts, or something wrong with the way I was posting to him.... either way, there's not much more to say if two people can't read eachother's posts as honest discussion rather than angry debate.
Good girl. :) (Don't take that as condescending, please, because I meant it. ;)

take you and I for instance. I wouldn't even TOUCH this thread with you. lol. You and I simply see the world with two different sets of senses. But I know that if we DID decide to discuss it, we could honestly discuss, not fight. I know how much you hate hearing you're wrong, but I like that you take it well when you're told, "you're wrong, there's a God!" lol.
It's simple; no-one can be right all the time. In spite of thew fact I am human and have a modicum of ego, it's simply logical to admit being wrong when one is wrong. Saves time in the long run. As J K Galbraith once said, "Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof." ;)
 

Colpy

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I always get a chuckle out of the people who say that we need to either accept evolution, or a six day creation story, but no middle ground. Who's to say that God's 'six days' isn't exactly what we've seen: millions of years of evolution. I know I could never say what a day is to God. Frankly, no priest I've ever talked to has said that the creation story is literal either, but rather, a written story to explain to people how life came to be when they had no concept of the universe. I think it was Dexter in one thread who discussed how quantum theory and the theory of relativity contradicted one another, yet he was hopefully awaiting a theory to tie the two together.... I really don't see how this is any different.

Well said, Karrie!
 

Dexter Sinister

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Ironically, the description by the Skeptic's Dictionnary you posted contains all the elements that resume the problematic around this debate. First of all, the description kind of contradicts itself. At first, it states ID is an anti-evolution belief, and furthur on, it states evolution and ID ''are not contradictory and not necessarily competitors''. So is ID anti-evolution or not???
It's becomes clear in the rest of that essay what Carroll means. ID is presented as a scientifically valid alternative to evolution by people like Duane Gish of the Discovery Institute and some of his noisier supporters, but it's not. It has no scientific merit whatsoever, essentially because, as I've described elsewhere, it's a useless hypothesis in that context. But there there's no necessary contradiction between it and evolution. Evolution has nothing to say about a designer, it describes what natural selection is and how it works, not why it works. The why is the metaphysical question that ID attempts to answer, and does a pretty lame job of it in my view; it amounts to saying little more than "Just because."