Independence for Quebec

[JLM]

But most of the maritimes are as senior as Ontario and Quebec (the lone exception being Newfoundland) thus are there 4 or 5 parents (PEI although territorily present never became a province in its own right until 1873)? The issue can be further confused when you look historically at the fact that Nova Scotia predates Ontario in its tenure as a British colony even... so how do we determine which province is what?



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Not by age or date they joined Conferation. I consider Nfld. just as much a province of Canada as any of the rest of them. I think about it in the same terms I think of individual people. I'm not interested in wealth, colour, size, how old they are ,economic situations but rather more by spirit, how they assimilate, do they pull their share of the weight, do they produce to the best of their ability more than how much they produce. To be honest I've only spent one week in Quebec in my entire life- my impression was that the English speaking ones were just like other Canadians, but a lot of the French speaking ones didn't seem to be interested in being like other Canadians. Just my take on the situation almost 45 years ago. For what it's worth. :smile:

 

[s_lone]

Not by age or date they joined Conferation. I consider Nfld. just as much a province of Canada as any of the rest of them. I think about it in the same terms I think of individual people. I'm not interested in wealth, colour, size, how old they are ,economic situations but rather more by spirit, how they assimilate, do they pull their share of the weight, do they produce to the best of their ability more than how much they produce. To be honest I've only spent one week in Quebec in my entire life- my impression was that the English speaking ones were just like other Canadians, but a lot of the French speaking ones didn't seem to be interested in being like other Canadians. Just my take on the situation almost 45 years ago. For what it's worth. :smile:

I would very much appreciate for you to elaborate on your perception of French speaking Quebecers. What causes you to say that the French speakers you met didn't seem interested in being Canadians?

 

[JLM]

I would very much appreciate for you to elaborate on your perception of French speaking Quebecers. What causes you to say that the French speakers you met didn't seem interested in being Canadians?

Body language and the fact that when I did try to converse in my meagre knowledge of high :lol:school French, I just got laughed at.

"That's my take on it Y.J. - now get back to your atlas..........................:lol::lol::lol:"

Are you obtuse on purpose or does it come naturally to you?

I'm pretty ambidextrous there, Y.J. it can happen either way BUT I like to think I also have a smidgeon of a sense of humour..............:lol::lol:

 

[s_lone]

Body language and the fact that when I did try to converse in my meagre knowledge of high :lol:school French, I just got laughed at.

What kind of body language does a true Canadian have?:scratch:

 

[gerryh]

Here's the FACTS when it comes to quebecois and their arrogance concerning THEIR language.

I've mentioned before that my paternal family came from France in 1653. My Father was born and raised in the North Bay area of Ontario. It appears the dialect spoken there is different than in Montreal as when my Father was in Montreal he was ignored and given blank stares as if to say "what language are you speaking?" He tried BOTH the French that he was raised on AND "Parisian French" to no avail.

 

[JLM]

What kind of body language does a true Canadian have?:scratch:

I think anyone with half a brain, s-lone, can figure that out using a little imagination. My kind of Canadian would respond with such things as smiles, hugs and anything that would be inclined to include people, not exclude them. It's not rocket science. You know when you are made to feel "at home". :smile:

 

[lone wolf]

When they separate, can they take all the Quebecois (those with the "me first" headspace) who migrated into Franco-Ontario with them?

 

[JLM]

When they separate, can they take all the Quebecois (those with the "me first" headspace) who migrated into Franco-Ontario with them?

Where is "Franco - Ontario? Near Kirkland Lake? Smooth Rock Falls?

 

[lone wolf]

Where is "Franco - Ontario? Near Kirkland Lake? Smooth Rock Falls?

French-speaking Ontario - includes Sudbury, Welland, Penetanguishene too. Pretty much Anyplace Ontario. The one I am most familiar with is Sturgeon Falls. Very friendly people ... who don't speak "right" French. Then again, Parisian French isn't even the "right" French

 

[gerryh]

French-speaking Ontario - includes Sudbury, Welland, Penetanguishene too. Pretty much Anyplace Ontario. The one I am most familiar with is Sturgeon Falls. Very friendly people ... who don't speak "right" French. Then again, Parisian French isn't even the "right" French

see my post above about my old mans experience in Montreal. A man that was fluent in both French and english.

 

[lone wolf]

see my post above about my old mans experience in Montreal. A man that was fluent in both French and english.

Saw that. I can empathize.

My guess is if the language is going to survive, it has to be common throughout the country - including Quebec. The coming of the railroad made parish dialect obsolete.

 

[s_lone]

Here's the FACTS when it comes to quebecois and their arrogance concerning THEIR language.

I've mentioned before that my paternal family came from France in 1653. My Father was born and raised in the North Bay area of Ontario. It appears the dialect spoken there is different than in Montreal as when my Father was in Montreal he was ignored and given blank stares as if to say "what language are you speaking?" He tried BOTH the French that he was raised on AND "Parisian French" to no avail.

What are you trying to prove? That language differs from region to region?

I think anyone with half a brain, s-lone, can figure that out using a little imagination. My kind of Canadian would respond with such things as smiles, hugs and anything that would be inclined to include people, not exclude them. It's not rocket science. You know when you are made to feel "at home". :smile:

Well I must admit I'm kind of lost here JLM.

You see, Quebecers don't smile. And we don't even know what a hug is.

(just in case... *sarcasm*)

 

[Bar Sinister]

I know very little French, but I understand that Quebec French is not 'French' French. It is not the same as the language spoken in France, it is substantially different. So it may may be that it will keep evolving along separate lines.

What is interesting about Quebec French is not only its 16th century Bretagne origins, but also what is called Franglish, which is the use of a multiplicity of English terms such as 'Le weekend" and so on.

 

[El Barto]

Seperation is almost off the table but for a few radicals.
The true question is what more powers do Soveriegnist want that they don't have?

 

[s_lone]

What is interesting about Quebec French is not only its 16th century Bretagne origins, but also what is called Franglish, which is the use of a multiplicity of English terms such as 'Le weekend" and so on.

Typical spoken Quebec French does use a lot of English terms. But your sources are questionable because the term ''le weekend'' is mostly used by the French French, not Quebec French. Here we say ''fin de semaine'' which literally means ''end of the week'' or... ''week end''

Seperation is almost off the table but for a few radicals.
The true question is what more powers do Soveriegnist want that they don't have?

I disagree El Barto. I think it's safe to say that at least 30% if not 40% would vote YES without hesitating were there a referendum today. And with the disaster that is the Charest government, angry nationalist sentiment can only go up, not down.