Importance of the North = importance of the Inuit?

AnnaG

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Cool. Perhaps we should partition Manitoba and Ontario and demand our language be official, too. :D

Miigwech giibinbwaachiweyin!
 

jjaycee98

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This appears to me to be the road that leads to the same ethnic, religious and racial wars that have been fought in places like Bosnia, Lebanon, Isreal, Somalia, Thialand, Cambodia and doaens more all over the world. Why anyone thinks "Partitioning" of any part of Canada is a good thing gives me goosebumps of apprehension. We all have the chance to be stronger as a whole. Inclusion and sharing is better for all rather than separation and fighting.
 

Machjo

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Cool. Perhaps we should partition Manitoba and Ontario and demand our language be official, too. :D

Miigwech giibinbwaachiweyin!
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Sorry, can't understand it. However, I've become interested in learning a local Aboriginal language. I'd looked everywhere for quality textbooks and dictionaries for Algonquin, Ojibwe, etc, but they're really tough to come by. So more recently I've been looking at possible courses. Supposedly there are some in Ottawa. A friend gave me the phone number, so I'll have to contact him. One problem with a course though is my schedule. Self-instruction would be better for that, but I need the books!

Anyway, that's my rant.

And yes, I do agree that the local Aboriginal language should always get at least as much official recognition as its European counterparts.
 

Machjo

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This appears to me to be the road that leads to the same ethnic, religious and racial wars that have been fought in places like Bosnia, Lebanon, Isreal, Somalia, Thialand, Cambodia and doaens more all over the world. Why anyone thinks "Partitioning" of any part of Canada is a good thing gives me goosebumps of apprehension. We all have the chance to be stronger as a whole. Inclusion and sharing is better for all rather than separation and fighting.

I could see a way around this if the more powerful language groups were willing to share the global sandbox. Let's suppose everyone on earth just learnt his first language plus a universal auxiliary language designed to be easy to learn. That would give us all the best of both worlds, getting to keep our own language and communicate with the rest of the world. That was my main motive in learning Esperanto, by the way, as it was a language designed to be easy to learn for all.

But as long as the imperial powers continue to try to impose their languages, then there will be no peace.

No peace without justice.

In the end, the choice is ours.
 

Liberalman

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We have to remember that Canada or Britain honoured their agreements with the aboriginals unlike the Americans who decided to break their promises and carried out genocide on their aboriginals.

Nunavut is one of the success stories of land claim settlements.
 

Machjo

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We have to remember that Canada or Britain honoured their agreements with the aboriginals unlike the Americans who decided to break their promises and carried out genocide on their aboriginals.

Nunavut is one of the success stories of land claim settlements.

Your kidding, right. We have yet to honour many of the Treaties.
 

Machjo

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free university free housing is that not part of the treaty and the government is honouring it
;-) You got it. There are still many land-lcaimes to be settled. A treaty is a treaty is a treaty, from coast to coast to coast, from sea to sea to sea. Do we honour our words, or do we not?

If we don't like the treaties as they stand, we are certainly free to renegotiate them and change the on mutual agreement, just like any other contract. The fact that the Aboriginals aren't European doesn't lessen our responsibility towards their treaties.

That having been said, we ae starting to honour their treaties, but only starting really.
 

darkbeaver

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In the present economic/political context the importance of the Inuit is not even detectable, the resources are the exact opposite. They (the Inuit) should press for the very best deal from the alien entity known as Canada while arming themselves and opening dialogue with other Arctic peoples specifically Russia. The fastest route to ethnic extinction would be to rely on the good intentions of this nation (Canada) toward their people and the social welfare designs of Canadian fascists. Todays political atmosphere pretty much dictates their forced assimilation and the rape of their resources as fast as possible with little or no regard for the abos be they black white yellow or red.
 

darkbeaver

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We have to remember that Canada or Britain honoured their agreements with the aboriginals unlike the Americans who decided to break their promises and carried out genocide on their aboriginals.

Nunavut is one of the success stories of land claim settlements.

We would be remembering something that did not occur. It's plainly not bothering you to labour under that false assumption so I'll not bother to instruct further except to say your opinion is easily countered with several billions of pages of documentation regarding the forked tongues of the British Imperial representatives of whom enjoy till this day the scorn and loathing of the grand and greatgrand children of the original victims of Imperial deals. The British/Canadian imperium honoured nothing but death and subjugation on a global basis a state of affairs which still maintains to this very minute. Thereis hope for billions though, the sun is finally setting and it will be glorious to see the end of limey rule for ever.:lol:
 

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Machjo we are not free to renegotiate the treaty until the land claims are settled.

Are we going to lower ourselves to the level of Americans who are known around the world of breaking their promises.

Look at our Free Trade Agreement with the Americans they were the first ones to break it we as Canadians kept our part of the agreement but they did not.

When the land claims are settled then and only then can we as a nation start to fine-tune it.

And yes I am a Liberal thinker not like the robotic thinkers like the Conservatives who say what they are told to say.
 
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Machjo

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In the present economic/political context the importance of the Inuit is not even detectable, the resources are the exact opposite. They (the Inuit) should press for the very best deal from the alien entity known as Canada while arming themselves and opening dialogue with other Arctic peoples specifically Russia. The fastest route to ethnic extinction would be to rely on the good intentions of this nation (Canada) toward their people and the social welfare designs of Canadian fascists. Todays political atmosphere pretty much dictates their forced assimilation and the rape of their resources as fast as possible with little or no regard for the abos be they black white yellow or red.

Woah horsey! While I agree that we have failed to honour all the treaties, the Aboriginals do have options besides taking up arms. I'd like to see more peaceful, united and harmonious relations in future. They have the option of going to the International Court of Justice, and can also organize at the grassroots with others like ourselves to promote their languages... within legal means. Learn an Aboriginal language if you can or, alternatively, learn an auxiliary language as a means of counterbalancing the more imperialist languages. We needn't start a revolution. More peaceful solutions are available.
 

Machjo

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We would be remembering something that did not occur. It's plainly not bothering you to labour under that false assumption so I'll not bother to instruct further except to say your opinion is easily countered with several billions of pages of documentation regarding the forked tongues of the British Imperial representatives of whom enjoy till this day the scorn and loathing of the grand and greatgrand children of the original victims of Imperial deals. The British/Canadian imperium honoured nothing but death and subjugation on a global basis a state of affairs which still maintains to this very minute. Thereis hope for billions though, the sun is finally setting and it will be glorious to see the end of limey rule for ever.:lol:

Do I detect a little hyperbole here?
 

Machjo

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Machjo we are not free to renegotiate the treaty until the land claims are settled.

Are going to lower ourselves to the level of Americans who are known around the world of breaking their promises.

Look at our Free Trade Agreement with the Americans they were the first ones to break it we as Canadians kept our part of the agreement but they did not.

When the land claims are settled then and only then can we as a nation start to fine-tune it.

And yes I am a Liberal thinker not like the robotic thinkers like the Conservatives who say what they are told to say.


You misunderstood me here. I was simply saying that we should honour the treaties, though of course a Treaty can be changed IF all signatories can agree to a better deal. But of course if the Aboriginals refuse, then we ought to abide by the treaties, and hurry up with it already. It's been awhile. We're no better than the Americans in how we've been draggin our feet. Let's thank God the Aboriginals are not charging interest.

OK, maybe we did do better than the US on this front, but why compare ourselves to another country, and excuse our injustices because another country's is worse? That's lowering our standards right there. When it comes to moral perfection, we should compare ourselves to none but ourselves, ensuring we're always moving forward.
 
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