Immigration: The great deception

[Zzarchov]

absolutely. So you can hardly blame people for coming here, and you can hardly complain when they do. Everyone deserves a chance at a good life, and if they feel they're more likely to get one in another place, why shouldn't they go there?

Of course it's only polite to bring something useful with you, like skills, money, knowledge, that kind of thing....

I would say they need to make it worth our while, its not charity. If people could just flock to wherever the life was the best at the moment rather than sitting down and making their own region better, then I guarantee you people wouldnt' be fleeing to Canada, since Canada would have been a ****hole since the population would have all packed up and fled south during the boom in the clinton years, causing a downward spiral in Canada. Also causing the US to overcrowd and break down.
You can't pack 5 billion people in the hotspots, if you do, they become just another slum. At some point people need to improve their own community.
If you do want to flee to a new community it needs to be a trade, you give them something they need, they give you a better life.
Seeing as we have a skills surplus in three or four cities due to immigration (crippling the point of gaining post-secondary education in those cities to immigrants and native born, why become an engineer when you only make 8.25 and hour).
And we have crippling shortages of skilled workers in other areas, because immigrants don't want to go rural.
My immigrant grandparents (and aunts and uncles, but they were minors so I don't count them) HAD to live in the country, by law, since thats where immigrants were needed. If the cities are overcrowding and the rural areas are ghost towns, then immigrants should have to live in the country, that can be what they bring. If they don't want to, they don't have to..but then we don't have a need for them. Immigration is a practical matter, not charity.

 

[Tonington]

Well I don't know about other areas, but the engineers I know here in the Maritimes all have jobs offered to them immediately after graduation and their wages/salary are the highest for any undergrad degree.

 

[Zzarchov]

And the Marintimes also have a VERY VERY low level of immigration compared to other regions.
For example, more than half of Toronto resisdents were born outside of Canada. Marintimes..not nearly as much.
So your experiences are a perfect example of what im talking about.

 

[ottawa224]

I had a cousin in the maritime who could not get a job in his field. He moved out to Alberta and is doing quite well.
In Ontario, if you are a 2nd generation or more it is hard to get work. Currently first generation Canadians keep crying and unwilling to relocate to another part of the country. I was born and raised in Canada, and I do not like the change to being an immigrant is a skill set.
I tutored in college and university, and the immigrant always got the co-op placements, long term full-time jobs. I think a job should not come down to to hiring people from other countries, when there is plenty of people here with the skills already it just drives the salaries down.

Well I don't know about other areas, but the engineers I know here in the Maritimes all have jobs offered to them immediately after graduation and their wages/salary are the highest for any undergrad degree.

 

[Zzarchov]

On that matter I think we need to revert to our old immigration policies.

Don't indulge in brain drain, thats a downward spiral. They are about as likely to stay here once they have made their fill of money as Canadians are to stay stateside.
Take those who are destitute and refugees. Real refugees, the kind who can't afford a plane ticket, the kind who flee down dirt roads with a bag of all their belongings and no shoes.
Better long term planning if we have a real population crunch. Our "problem" is shortage of people, not skills.

 

[Agimat]

Oh goody...another immigrant bashing thread....yeahhhh. Yes, those horrible people from other countries are out to get us. Funny, here in Canada, no one seems to complain about, say, immigrants from the US, or europe...just those brown ones. If they don't stick out in a crowd, there doesn't seem to be anything to complain about.

I do not see anything wrong with immigration. I do not see anything wrong with multiculturalism. I do not see anything wrong with diversity. I don't get what all the fuss is about. If you have a problem with crime...you have a problem with CRIME...don't paint a whole ethnic group in a bad light over it...face the issue of CRIME, and it's roots.

Multi-culturalism is cultural decay, I mean culture is there in Canads exactly? these are the words of notcanada.com not mine. These are how much they love Canadian culture. In time I'll be proved right. Is all what people really care about is dollar signs? economic growth? does this really compare to decline of western civilisation? - women sould be proud of having the gift of children, and males should not view them as sex objects like they do here in the decadent west, remember what happened to the romans? - mass immigratoion and bumming go hand in hand at destroying an empire modern civilization is no exception. I will laugh at you all anyway when you lose the civil war to all the immigrants while your all to busy seeing a prostitute bumming or kissing a member of the same sex to be trendy - whatever is more fashionable huh? . I guess I am just an un-educated neo-nazi or an anti-semite because I say such things.

What sacrelidge to think that commerical immigration for money for the aristocracies is even comparable to when the saxons and normans arrived here - **** off!. When they arrived here a new country began a new era in history not just a few minorities settlingcreating problems. Stupidest thing I've ever read

 

[Agimat]

On that matter I think we need to revert to our old immigration policies.

Don't indulge in brain drain, thats a downward spiral. They are about as likely to stay here once they have made their fill of money as Canadians are to stay stateside.
Take those who are destitute and refugees. Real refugees, the kind who can't afford a plane ticket, the kind who flee down dirt roads with a bag of all their belongings and no shoes.
Better long term planning if we have a real population crunch. Our "problem" is shortage of people, not skills.

exactly,

 

[Agimat]

I would say they need to make it worth our while, its not charity. If people could just flock to wherever the life was the best at the moment rather than sitting down and making their own region better, then I guarantee you people wouldnt' be fleeing to Canada, since Canada would have been a ****hole since the population would have all packed up and fled south during the boom in the clinton years, causing a downward spiral in Canada. Also causing the US to overcrowd and break down.
You can't pack 5 billion people in the hotspots, if you do, they become just another slum. At some point people need to improve their own community.
If you do want to flee to a new community it needs to be a trade, you give them something they need, they give you a better life.
Seeing as we have a skills surplus in three or four cities due to immigration (crippling the point of gaining post-secondary education in those cities to immigrants and native born, why become an engineer when you only make 8.25 and hour).
And we have crippling shortages of skilled workers in other areas, because immigrants don't want to go rural.
My immigrant grandparents (and aunts and uncles, but they were minors so I don't count them) HAD to live in the country, by law, since thats where immigrants were needed. If the cities are overcrowding and the rural areas are ghost towns, then immigrants should have to live in the country, that can be what they bring. If they don't want to, they don't have to..but then we don't have a need for them. Immigration is a practical matter, not charity.

Oh yeah, you cannot blame them for wanting a better life it is o.k for them they can just walk here anytime and be entitled to anything, but I as an English native am stuck here and annot leave if I wanted to to Canada cause of the supid point system cause I've not completed my degree yet. and then there will be no job at the end of it

 

[Agimat]

And if there's anyone that the CIC likes to eject from Canada it is the type of immigrant that is easy to catch (not attemptng to evade anyone), rather than the other types (such as criminals).

What kind of people do cic Eject? - do they have to meet the points system spot on?, I have a diploma but I have never worked. How will I get in?